Housellama wrote:We don't just go to war because This Tribe needs more farmland.
Um, wow. Please tell me that you do realize that there are still places on Stupidworld where people do indeed go to war "because This Tribe needs more farmland." Or because someone took their vineyard. Or because they need lebensraum. It's not all about the delusions and the politics.
Hence the word JUST
in the original quote
Housellama wrote:Don't confuse Defense with War. There _IS_ a difference. The Department of Defense was created and continues to exist to protect America. Politicians are the ones that use it to wage war. Don't blame the tool for the actions of the hands that hold it.
Again, please tell me that you're aware that the "Department of the Defense" sprang from a name and organizational change from the "Department of War."
Yes, I am aware of American History.
Oberon wrote:There is no real distinction between "defense" and war, after a certain point. The purpose of a standing military force is to be used to advance the agenda of the state. If you really believe that some kind of pure defensive role is even tangential to the real purpose of a modern military, you need a civics refresher course, pronto.
A standing army exists to defend the citizens and protect the interests of its country. A soldier is someone who signs up to put his or her body on the line to stand between his or her country and danger. They go out and follow orders, spend uncomfortable months sweating in desert heat or freezing in winter cold, working themselves to the bone, not to mention very possibly killing and dying for the country they love. A politician is someone who makes the policies that ultimately decide what those soldiers do. Often the only consequences they suffer from those decisions are bad press and losing elections. So tell me who's really at fault here...
Separate the tool from the hand that holds it.
Oberon wrote:I love my country, but that does not mean that I stick my head in the sand and pretend that the worlds largest military expenditure by a factor of 6 (as compared to the runner up, China) or by a factor of 2 (as compared to the EU, which comprises 27 different countries) just sits around and only plays a defensive role. If there were no real return on that investment, it would cease to be invested in. And we do NOT need the military we have for a strict defensive role, by a factor of many.
Who writes that budget? Who makes those expenditures? Who determines where that military moves? The soldiers? Nope. The politicians.
Housellama wrote:... There's a rant there, but it's not related to Erfworld. My personal soapbox can wait. I respectfully request that we don't go into that topic here. If you want to discuss it privately, bring it. But this is about Erfworld.
The author has specifically stated that politics, religion,and other controversial subjects are not forbidden on this site, as they were on the prior site. So before you trot out your rather uninformed positions and then attempt to shut down the rebuttal by claiming non-relevance with Erfworld, just be aware that such relevance isn't an issue here.
Yes, in fact, I am aware of that. Hence why I included the personal pronoun. "I
respectfully request" If you will actually read what I wrote, then you will see that I actually welcomed rebuttal. I simply asked for it through a different medium. If you disagree, that's cool. That's your choice. But don't accuse me of putting something that I claimed off on someone else.
If you have a problem with me, discuss it with me. I don't particularly enjoy having these kinds discussions in public. It's tasteless and I doubt many people are interested in hearing others squabble. Or not. It is a free country, thanks to a great many soldiers that came before us.