Housellama wrote:Do we know that she's unwilling? Just because she's under a suggestion doesn't mean that she was unwilling to begin with. The existence of A does not necessarily prove the existence of not A.
Knowing what we know of Suggestion spells, I'd say that Jillian had to have been partially willing to begin with, although the whole point of a suggestion spell is to persuade the target to do something that they would not normally be willing to do.
I form this opinion based on:
Maggies explanation of the controlling part of the SPW spell,
Wanda's explanation to Stanley and Parson of her control over Jillian,
Jillians thinkagram when she breaks free from the Suggestion,
Stanley's internal justification of Maggie's suggestion, and
Jillian's conversation with Wanda at the tower.
Housellama wrote:People in love still take aphrodisiacs.
This is a good point, aphrodisiacs enhance an already existing feeling, just like Suggestion spells. They do not, however, persuade the recipient to do things they would otherwise be unwilling to do - at least not directly. For example, say you are in a committed relationship, and your ex, for whom you still had some lingering romantic feelings for, were to slip you some aphrodisiacs with your dinner and put the moves on, you might well feel randy enough to rape a sofa, but one would hope you still had the mental fortitude to turn down this most generous offer, and run home to your actual partner.
What's happening in the comic, however, is Jillian is actually in love with Ansom. Wanda's suggestion is preventing her from running home to him. The free-thinking Jillian, although still partially attracted to Wanda, does not truly want to be with Wanda - she wants Ansom. We know this because she a) Broke the Suggestion and b) Chose Ansom over Wanda when she was above Spacerock.
I get what you're saying though. She might have willfully given up this choice by allowing herself to be mind controlled. The fact that she broke out of it was an unfortunate mishap that perhaps the Jillian of the past wished to have avoided. So does someone who willingly gives up their free will have the right to change their minds again? If so, what responsibility is it of the Dominator to ensure that this change of mind has not occured?
Housellama wrote:Hell, their romantic relationship appears to be based on D/s. A suggestion spell would be one of the ultimate ways to express that. It doesn't have to be sinister. It could be something to just make the sex hotter that Wanda chose to exploit...
Interesting. See to me, if Jillian wanted the suggestion, then it would be like Maggie jumping up from behind the sofa right now and Suggesting me to write something on the Forums. I would assume the spell would fail, or at least functionally so, because it made absolutely no difference to my actions. Therefore I would not break out of it, because I had no reason to do so.
I do understand that in the world there are people who do find the idea of mind-control erotic, and so I'm open to the idea of Jillian perhaps allowing the first suggestion to be placed on her, however the fact that she breaks out of it tells me that the way that Wanda used the Suggestion was beyond Jillians power to rationalise, and therefore consent to.
I dunno, its interesting isn't it? : "I hereby consent to you forcing/coercing me to do things that I do not consent to." where is the right and wrong of it?
