Oberon wrote:1) Wanda disobeyed when she and Stanley were alone. No one overheard her disobey, and no one else even knows it ever happened.
2) Wanda did not stage a turns-long whispering campaign, nor talk down Stanley's decision to other units, in order to convince them to turn to her for confirmation of Stanley's orders.
3) She was called out on the refusal by Stanley, and proceeded to convince him that she was right, and then she gained his permission for her alternative plan.
Caesar cannot say that he acted honorably or loyally or correctly or respectfully. Nor can he say that he's managed to convince Don that he is right. All Caesar can cite as wins for his position is a successful campaign of poisoning the opinions of the other commanders against Don, and of forcing a stand down and overturning Don's order by presenting Don with the lose/lose of starting to disband units in order to attempt to regain his dominance. Don chose to let the rebels live rather than starting the killing. He should have made an example out of Caesar, if only to get rid of his subversive influence, and then allowed the order to be refused. Now Don is in the awkward position of having to wonder which of his other orders will be refused, and when, and at which point does he decide to refuse to allow his policies to be overturned by units who do not share his overall strategy for the side he is supposed to be ruling. Best to take his lumps now, rather than at a far more awkward position in the future.
Put into an analogy, it's like you work in a company as a Board member for the CEO. There are 9 other Board members who also report to this CEO. What is the correct behavior if you feel that your CEO is making a decision which will be disastrous for the company:
1) Approach your CEO privately and state your concerns. Present an alternative solution. Convince him that you are right through logic and persuasion, and never speak of your disagreement with him to any of the other Board members;
2) Begin openly disparaging your CEOs decision amongst your fellow Board members. When the CEO still doesn't get your point, up your campaign to discredit him. When another Board member comes to you, after you've spent much time previously telling him how poor a decision the CEO is making, and tells you that he's been ordered to do something that he feels is opposite of your contrary plans for the company, don't draw him aside to discuss it, don't approach the CEO with him and discuss it. No, you gather all the Board members around and convince them to march into the CEOs office together and offer him the choice: Fire you all, or back down from the order to the other Board members.
This is the difference between what Wanda did and what Caesar did. Which option do you think is going to result in a longer lasting company? Which do you think better preserves the respect for the office of the CEO and allows him or her to continue to be an effective leader? No matter if it is a corporate or a military environment, option 2) will
be disastrous to the organization. Potentially as much or more so than any strategy for the company which the Directory might feel is also disastrous. This is something a thoughtful person should consider long and hard before even contemplating choosing option 2), but then Caesar isn't a thoughtful person.[/quote]
1. Irrelevant. A refusal is a refusal, I don't think she wouldn't have done it anyway if others were in the room.
2. You keep talking like Caesar did this behind Don's back. Whispering? He's been screaming. He's done it loudly and in front of others repeatedly. Whispering would have made this a surprise. Everybody knew Caesar felt this way before this turn. Ben wouldn't have thought Caesar was about to be disbanded if Don didn't know about this.
3. We have seen that Don has called Caesar out on this. Mocked him about it earlier that day when things appeared to be going right. Caesar has noted how don changed, how they used to have conversations. You think Caesar didn't bring it up to him personally first? I'm quite sure his repeated and increasing objections about money and FAQ didn't start publically. But when they were ignored, Caesar started bringing his concerns to everybody. This is partial speculation, true. But based on comments made, it certainly seems like this didn't come out of nowhere. I can't prove it went down this way. But I think it's pretty clear it didn't happen the way your putting forth, with Caesar doing this behind anybody's back. An actual disloyal or traitorous unit would have done this on the sly. Whispering to the fellow board members, as you've put it. But he's clearly not. Caesar has been brutally transparent since his introduction. He couldn't hide his utter loathing for Jillian when he was expressly ordered to be nice to her, you think he can organize a revolt on the sly? Hardly.
Your suggestion is suicide. If he allows the order to be refused AND disbands Caesar and only Caesar, he's been petty. Admitted Caesar was right while destroying him out of spite. Which will destroy any credibility he has left. If he'd done it long ago, perhaps. But he actually does need to disband EVERYBODY if he goes that route. Disband Caesar now, he can't trust anybody. They will turn the second they get a chance and would be right to. The CEO can't tell the hotshot he's right and fire him at the same time. Also, Caesar didn't organize what just happened. He didn't ask anybody to go with him. He didn't even have to go with Ben, but he was gonna do that cause he knew he was going against his rule and he was ready to own and take responsibility for that. The rest of them VOLUNTEERED to go with him.
I think part of the difference in our opinions here is you seem convinced Don King is right, which makes him good and Caesar bad for doing this. But really, there's no evidence to support this. If anything, it points the other way: Caesar is right, and maybe he should be doing more then disagreeing.
The old CEO is not listening to his financial adviser, he's not listening to the guy who used to be his go to man. His decisions seem foolish and every one made since the shift in behavior has been one that has cost the company with no return benefits. The company could literally go bankrupt in DAYS, and the CEO wants to make another loan to a business that won't even save from the current hostile acquisition it's about to face, but just let the current CEO make a suicidial move to keep a dying company alive without him for a little longer?
There is no time for negotiation at this point. No time to convince the CEO not to make this move. HE's been making moves like this for some time, and he is planning to make this move RIGHT NOW. There is no time to have a heart to heart. If the CEO is left unchecked for another hour, the company is dead. If anything, it looks like the CEO is senile and needs to be outed, he needs to be outed. The fact the board is just saying no and not no-confidencing the man is a testament to their loyalty towards that CEO. Probably too much Loyalty. Boards, after all, exist for a reason. Option 2 is all that's left right now. And if it means the end of the CEO... maybe it should.
That's not even the main point here though. Who's right or wrong is actually irrelevant, because it's characters motivations that are under debate here, not their correctness. I do think Caesar acted correctly from his own perspective: He felt this loan must not go through, it didn't go through. Was he correct to do it this way? He must have been, it worked! You keep saying Caesar is disloyal. It's the opposite. This is what you get when Loyalty and Duty are very high: A unit that acts in your best interests even if they conflict with your wants. He's honorable to a fault: He knew Ben would be safe, and still went to stand with him knowing he might be disbanded on the spot. Respectfully? We haven't seen him directly badmouth the Don once. Only his recent decisions. Wanda actively manipulates Stanley and is more then willing to talk badly of him behind his back. Caesar strikes me as the kind of guy who'd deck the first warlord who actually suggests he should be in charge. Wanda would shank Stanley tomorrow if it was possible (and he was stupid enough) and she was named his heir.