Ninjaguineapig wrote:How come the archers on the balcony haven't attacked Ossomer? And why hasn't Slately ordered the tower evacuated? When it falls, everything inside will die, giving Wanda all those units for free.
I think Slately and co are waiting till they are ready so as to not drive him off or get him to stack up with the archons to soon. They can't know that Oss already suspects they are planning to come after him and that he is in to much turmoil to want to raise much of a defense of himself.
Looking back at the relevant text updates we know they were planning on using the remaining arrows to assist in taking down some of the archons, while I think they are planning on going after Oss directly. The casters original plan seemed to go:
- Casters/elites stack up, gear up (Ace's existing accessories/equipment) and attack Oss and any archons that come to his aid, then return to the tower and use the archers and remaining tower defense to clear the way enough for Slately to escape by air (jetpack, the only way to travel).
Slately changed that to a hunting plan (he did say he was leading the battle, even if it wasn't the battle the casters were proposing). He was going to lead the charge and take out Oss and as many Archons as he possibly could to raise money for Trem. How that changed how they were going to use the tower/archers is questionable (since it doesn't appear they were planning to come back to it), but it is pretty clear it isn't going to be in play much longer unless something drastic happens.
Kreistor wrote:Stand down and let themselves get murdered? Remember, Slately's stated purpose is to kill Archons for Charlie's bounty, so that he can promote Tramennis so that he'll become King when Slately dies. There is one out for every unit ordered to do something: if they think it is against the best interest of their Ruler (Stanley in this case), they can disobey the order. An order to commit suicide is simply not going to be obeyed.
Units can surrender, or something like it (though we have more seen units captured). I guess the question is the circumstances under which they can surrender. Do units have to seek the approval of their ruler/CWL? Can only a ruler or CWL do it? I'm sure their must be an option even regular troops can consider, if they are outclassed or certain of death, where they can fight to the death for their side or surrender to their foes (but not turn).
Of course I'm not sure if that would be the case here, since I don't know how Oss and 23 Archons stack up against Slately, 4 casters, whatever elites join them, plus 1 unipegatuar for each and some Orlys - as well as Slatey's special accessories and the other war gear Ace mentioned for making their units tougher in the fight.
What Ossomer might do is order the Archons to Capture Slately. That they would have no reason to disobey. The benefits? Any units outside Jetstone disband if Tramennis is not yet heir, so this prevents them from poofing, allowing them to be Decrypted. But there's another reason.
Forcing Slately to ally with GK gives GK access to a different set of Natural Allies. Elves won't work with GK because GK already uses Hobgobwins. Jetstone as an ally gives GK a wider range of Natural Allies.
That would be an interesting development with lots of room for drama.
Sieggy wrote:I can see several possibilities given the last panel . . . Slately stumbles off the tower into the waiting arms of Oss, who saves his life and then A) captures him, thus effectively ending the battle [checkmate!] or B) puts him back into the tower, thus triggering whatever unpleasantry befalls a traitor. Or possibly just stumbles off the tower and plunges to his death or severe injury, once again effectively ending the battle and destroying Oss's soul as he witnesses his father's death but was too slow to save him . . . But given the cracks that appeared in the last panel, another volley or two of death & boomination is going to drop the entire edifice.
They seem like plausible, potential outcomes. It will be something of a shame if someone doesn't get to put the modified regalia of Jetstone to use after so much build (as an aspect of all the other building going on), plus Ace's other accessories, equipment, for the units flying out with them... unless of course something even more interesting takes its place.
I remember (I think) a throw away line from early in this book, where Parson commented he didn't know exactly what would happen if Jetstone fell without an heir but while they have the current one decrypted. Perhaps if something did happen to Slately and it broke Oss quick enough a turn could occur, Jetstone would have an heir and it would be him flying around the the war regalia of Jetstone.
I still don't understand, though, why Sylvia hasn't sent the big Reds up topside to scour the portico with their flame breath. It's just chock full of high value targets, not to mention the ranks of useless archers just idly standing there trying to come to grips with their imminent demise and / or decryption. You'd have thought that someone would have had the sense to send down for more ammo so they can sustain fire into the courtyard, but there seems to be a lot of hur-dur going on up there. Or at least send them below so they can be of SOME use down the road.
I don't think she can, mechanically speaking. The various zones in an enemy city are practically sealed off as far as an attacking side off turn is concerned, they can't cross the boundaries separating them unless a loophole exists and then it takes serious effort and some risk to exploit - hence the whole reason for the dwagon fall. There is no apparent way to make the dwagons float back up in such a way that would allow them to reenter the airspace (and since it seems it takes move for a flyer to take off I guess if there was a way then the dwagons would just be floating, not actually flying, with all the limits that involves).
So the dwagons are stuck on the ground with zero move contesting the garrison while the Archons and Oss are in the airspace and there they both shall remain till their next turn arrives.
I'm not sure if they archers can be resupplied either. Their ammunition pops at the beginning of the turn in their quivers, doesn't it? And once it is depleted that is it (though perhaps a fabricator like a twoll or dollmancer could make more), like a casters juice. I don't think there are stockpiles or anything like that. Still at least some of them haven't completely depleted their supply of arrows this turn (casters have said that a couple of times), but currently it was going to be used as part of Slately's attack on the flyers.
Of course I don't disagree that the guys who aren't going to be any use on the top of the tower should probably have been sent away by now (though maybe Ace had something for them - the did seem to be rocket like objects in the armory, didn't there?)
atalex wrote:While I hope Ossomer somehow survives, the following image just popped into my brain: Siege hits the tower hard, causing Slately to stumble and fall over the side. In a flash and without even thinking, Ossomer reaches out, catches Slately, and deposits him back on the roof. Slately has barely an instant to realize that "the Ossomer-thing" has saved both his life and perhaps his side, and he looks up into his son's tear-stained eyes ... just in time to see Ossomer auto-disband for the treason of saving the ruler of the opposing side from certain death. Instantly, down in the dungeon, Wanda looks up, startled, wondering what the hell just happened. A chill runs down her back for reasons she does not understand. Somewhere, a Titan smiles.
I like the sound of that.
Stanley was troubled by the thought of his dwagons being decrypted, but that is a step removed since they had already died (and he knows what that is like). A dwagon or decrypted turning/resisting might be more troubling, though not necessarily something that would physically harm the master.
WaterMonkey314 wrote:Could the title of the issue ("It's Raining Men") only now be coming into play? (Parson's harvesting exploit would be more "It's Raining Dwagonburgers" or "It's Raining Hobgobs" then men). Suppose Slately orders his archers to charge off the tower en masse; could all the falling archers interfere with either the Archons or Sylvia's siege?
Hehe, funny image. I doubt they'd interfere with the Archons who are all spread out at the airspace boundaries to protect them a bit from the arrows and air defenses earlier (everyone in GK seems to have forgotten Oss). Falling on Sylvia's siege though... we have seen a small falling stone can deflect an arrow. I guess a person could be killed/injured by someone falling on them.
I've been wondering about all of them for a while now, with the tower in such clear danger why Slately never ordered any unnecessary guys down. They were/are planning to use at least some of the archers - the ones still with ammunition - in their attack, but the others?
splintermute wrote:It seems clear he's taking all the casters with him - Lloyd Elliott and Pierce are getting the unipegataurs ready and mounting all the top units (including, presumably, Elliott and Pierce). They're saving three for Slately, Cubbins and Ace. Slately doesn't seem the type to rely entirely on an untested technology - he'll be mounted, but with the jetpack as a failsafe in case anything happens to his mount.
Agreed. Heh, I left out the most important bit there, Lloyd was always going, since his ability to double the unipegs of the max stack needed him to be part of that stack.
And so my time with the Tardy Elves draws to a close, and I am let to ponder how the experience will... eh, I'll finish later. No need to rush.