Excellent! An opportunity to disagree with everyone all at once.
BLANDCorporatio wrote:(Imo, it's more plausible to be among the 3-in-1000 lucky than it is to have arrows blocked by chance 3 times).
You missed the part where these are the same event. You are amongst the 3-in-1000 lucky because
an arrow was blocked by a chance event 3 times for you and your two fellow survivors.
Lamech wrote:Anyway lets compare Stanley to the other overlords:
Lamech wrote:Queen Beau: When her side is in trouble she wastes all money, and suicides. Stanley: When his side is in trouble he uses his money on something useful and activates his back up plan.
Queen Bea: When her side is up against impossible odds, and when her inevitable loss was going to feed the enemy war machine, she enacted a scorched earth policy and denied her enemy any "provisions". Stanley: When his side is in trouble he is convinced against his "best" judgement to spend his money on something useful. Then he utterly fails to realize the true value of that useful thing, being so much an ignoramus that he cannot see what his three non-linked casters see regarding that useful thing (although like Peter, they doubted the useful thing three times [once each] before the cock crowed). Having so failed, he flees to his bolt-hole. Being blocked along the route to his bolt-hole, he decides to return home. Luckily for Stanley, the useful thing was actually useful, and he returns to a home much stronger than it was when he left. A result which could only have occurred had he left, and not overruled the useful thing on every decision.
Lamech wrote:Slately: Instead of fleeing the city so his son had a chance to fight back stays in the tower that was about to fall. Stanley: Actually understands how to flee when in danger.
I think I've covered Stanley's supposed "brilliance in fleeing pretty well already, so I'll rest my case with the above.
Lamech wrote:Don: Attempts to waste money by sending it to a doomed side. Stanley: Saves money by looking for waste.
Do you mean the "waste" of paying for the support contract? Sarcasm says that it is oh, so intelligent to be willing to spend 350,000 shmuckers on something, but also be willing against the best advice of your caster
commander to fail to pay for the casting
Lamech wrote:Jillian: Attacked GK's cities so the GK airforce would be guaranteed to try and end her side next turn. Stanley: Hasn't done anything quite that retarded.
He has, and it is documented within the story. Stanley provoked Jetstone (Vinnie thought it was a minor provocation, but then it was Jetstone units which were killed and not TV units, so yeah) to the point where Jetstone formed the RCC to go crush Stanley. Brilliant!
Lamech wrote:Don: Trying to get top warlord killed. Stanley: Parson still alive and well.
Here I'll grant Stanley some leeway. Despite needing to be "bought off" by Wanda's sexual favors, which prevented Stanley from sending Parson into combat to be killed. And despite Stanley telling Parson, Wanda, and Sizemore to get out of his sight on pain of disbandment, Stanley has never disbanded a unit. Oh, wait. Neither has any other Erfworld ruler we've seen. Ever. So maybe Stanley shouldn't get such mad props for his lack of running around disbanding or sending into combat to die his best resources, despite his stated inclinations for such actions. He did well enough on that front when he managed to lose 12 cities and all his Warlords before the story even began.
Lamech wrote:So it appears to me that Stanley is the competent overlord of the story.
Kreistor wrote:I think his escape from Jillian was quite brilliant, actually. It demonstrated he is not as limited to the brute force tactics you want to limit him to, by demonstrating he can conceive of complex deceptions and does not suffer target fixation. It demonstrates that his pride is not more important to him than his survival.
Is this really how you read the events leading up to, during, and following, Stanley's flight towards FAQ?
If so, your perception of what happened is radically divergent from my own.
Here's what happened, and I'll borrow from the preceeding:
Stanley: When his side is in trouble he is convinced against his "best" judgement to spend his money on something useful. Then he utterly fails to realize the true value of that useful thing, being so much an ignoramus that he cannot see what his three non-linked casters see regarding that useful thing (although like Peter, they doubted the useful thing three times [once each] before the cock crowed). Having so failed, he flees to his bolt-hole. Being blocked along the route to his bolt-hole, he decides to return home. Luckily for Stanley, the useful thing was actually useful, and he returns to a home much stronger than it was when he left. A result which could only have occurred had he left, and not overruled the useful thing on every decision.
You say that Stanley's "escape from Jillian was quite brilliant, actually." Wow. Just, wow. Let's examine this proposition. The setting:
Stanley is fleeing towards FAQ with the intent to establish another side after GK falls, thus saving his skin. Even though she has been in his dungeons three times, Stanley is unaware that the heir to FAQ is still alive and hates him with a passion. This heir arranges for TV forces to ambush Stanley.
On Stanley's side, Jack was dysfunctional, and could not cast an effective veil. He made highly visible dwagons look like highly visible parade floats, for example.
The readers are presented with some foreshadowing about the state Jack is in, including the potential cure, which is as simple as speaking the name of one of the most useful guys working for you. Stanley has maybe 10 names he should know: 5 casters, his CWL, and perhaps 4 warlords. And yet he doesn't know Jack's name, or Sizemore's for that matter.
During the battle, when Stanley is about to get creamed, Jillian speaks Jack's name. As foreshadowed, this does indeed snap him out of his insanity, and Jack's quick thinking and initiative save the day for Stanley.
All the above was presented quite clearly, to me. And yet you still managed to see it so differently than I that your take-away was that Stanley was: "quite brilliant, actually. It demonstrated he is not as limited to the brute force tactics you want to limit him to, by demonstrating he can conceive of complex deceptions and does not suffer target fixation. It demonstrates that his pride is not more important to him than his survival." Really? He survived because Jillian spoke Jack's name. He then survived because Jack is the bast at doing what Jack does. And then he survived because Jack convinced him to turn back to GK instead of pressing on towards FAQ.
What part of the above was "quite brilliant" on the part of Stanley?
Kreistor wrote:But this would be Human Resource Management, and an example of something I already admit he is poor at. Knowing who to promote requires strategic thinking.
OK, so you admit he is bad at Human Resource Management. That's a start. But you misunderstand what Human Resource Management is about, so you represent it poorly. Human Resource Management isn't only about "knowing who to promote", or about "strategic thinking." It's about knowing who within your cadre of advisers you should listen to, and when. Who, amongst your management staff, has good strategic sense? And who has Human Resource Management skills? A real leader uses their staff to make up for their own shortcomings. Stanley is quite clearly an utter failure at letting his underlings provide to him their strengths where he is weak, because he is too stupid to understand where he himself is weak and desperately needs assistance.
When your advisers tell you that they aren't going to just repeat for the Xth time the same failed strategy of "promote the most dashing and handsome to CWL", a leader with Human Resource Management skills doesn't start an argument about refusing an order. When your CWL has just wiped out 40% of the enemy siege that is coming to kill you, but then gets a pile of dwagons killed through mischance, a leader with good Human Resource Management skills doesn't decide that they have all failed you and flee. And most importantly, a leader with decent Human Resource Management skills doesn't fail to see the value in the Perfect Warlord they have just paid 350,000 shmuckers for, and question and second-quess his every order to the point of distraction. A leader with less that idiotic Human Resource Management skills doesn't replace the CWL who just beat 25:1 odds so that you still are an Overlord with the CWL or the coalition sent to kill him that his own CWL just killed and defeated. Oh, and: "Remember, it's Ansom's plan, don't be trying to take any of the credit!"