Inner Peace (Through Superior Firepower) – Episode 004

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Re: Inner Peace (Through Superior Firepower) – Episode 004

Postby raphfrk » Wed Nov 09, 2011 6:43 am

Jorgath wrote:3) A Commander popped by a Side may have any rank less than or equal to that of the Ruler of the Side. This is randomly determined.


The other option is that it is determined by location. Caesar wasn't popped in the capital, so he is Noble rather than Royal.

4) A Royal or Noble Side may, alternatively, order an Heir to be popped. This Heir will be either a Royal or Noble Warlord, depending on the nature of their side.
4a) Such a Side may pop more than one Heir, who will ascend the throne in order of popping.


I think that the order is determined by the Ruler. However, the unit must have Heir status. This is either due to being popped an Heir, or being promoted to Heir status like Stanley.

5) Any Side without an Heir may pay to raise any Warlord of their Side to the position of Designated Heir.
5a) They cannot do this while an Heir popped as such is living, but they can do this to Designate a different Warlord as Heir.
5b) Royal and Noble Sides generally prefer to only do this with Royal and Noble Warlords who were not popped as Heirs. Example: Tramennis, Caesar. Exception: Stanley.


I don't see why their would be a restriction on promoting units to Heir just because there are other Heirs available, it would potentially be a waste of money though.
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Re: Inner Peace (Through Superior Firepower) – Episode 004

Postby Whispri » Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:17 am

vintermann wrote:That could be. But we also know why he turned "obsessed with royalty" and skeptical of Caesar - because of Queen Bea's sacrifice.

I think it could well be that it's Caesar's lack of a royal attitude that is the problem. Caesar does not think beyond his own side's interests - very "within the rules" for Erfworld, but without any higher ambitions. Bea's sacrifice convinced Don that some things should matter more than your side - and I think that idea in itself means more to him than royalty as the specific thing that matters more.

And that's why Caesar should overthrow him. The Don King has become a liability, he's neglecting the welfare of his side and his soldiers, it's time to stick in the knife.
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Re: Inner Peace (Through Superior Firepower) – Episode 004

Postby vintermann » Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:25 am

Should, Whispri? Is the point of Erfworld ultimately "every side for itself"? Should it be? I'd be surprised if this was the Titan(s) intention with the series.

Not even in the sense "should, according to his character" is it necessarily correct. Caesar's willingness to confront the king rather than just plot to overthrow him (which we have indication would be pretty easy, since he's already more popular), is evidence he cares about other things than his side's survival as well.
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Re: Inner Peace (Through Superior Firepower) – Episode 004

Postby Whispri » Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:06 am

vintermann wrote:Should, Whispri? Is the point of Erfworld ultimately "every side for itself"? Should it be? I'd be surprised if this was the Titan(s) intention with the series.

Not even in the sense "should, according to his character" is it necessarily correct. Caesar's willingness to confront the king rather than just plot to overthrow him (which we have indication would be pretty easy, since he's already more popular), is evidence he cares about other things than his side's survival as well.

Yes, should. Any Ruler has a responsibility towards their followers, the Don King has forsaken that responsibility. In favour of helping his friends try to make sure they can slaughter whoever they want to slaughter. Friends, who have repeatedly refused the hand of peace, mark that. In short, he's gambling with his followers' very existences in the hopes of maintaining the murderous status quo. It's time for him to go. For the good of his side. And for the good of the World.
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Re: Inner Peace (Through Superior Firepower) – Episode 004

Postby raphfrk » Sat Nov 12, 2011 3:13 pm

Whispri wrote:Yes, should. Any Ruler has a responsibility towards their followers, the Don King has forsaken that responsibility.


Ironically, pro-Royal Ansom would have agreed, since he valued noblesse oblige. Having said that, it probably didn't include not going to war.
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Re: Inner Peace (Through Superior Firepower) – Episode 004

Postby Saladman » Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:43 pm

raphfrk wrote:
Jorgath wrote:3) A Commander popped by a Side may have any rank less than or equal to that of the Ruler of the Side. This is randomly determined.


The other option is that it is determined by location. Caesar wasn't popped in the capital, so he is Noble rather than Royal.


I was just re-reading Book 1 in physical form, and the printed glossary answers this. The definition of "Noble" is "A Commander unit popped to a royal side, in a city other than the capital."

Sorry to beat a dead horse, since Raph among others is already there, but we're (some of us) trying to make this more complicated than it is.

Royal isn't in the glossary, but, if analogous, must mean "a Commander unit popped to a royal side, in the capital."

Also of interest is the glossary definition of "Overlord": "A ruler with no Royal or Noble lineage." Unless Rob's own understanding has moved on, that kind of answers the royalty-nobility-not question about the Firebaughs, and especially Overlord Firebaugh: they're not, and he's not (which kills one of my own theories).
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Re: Inner Peace (Through Superior Firepower) – Episode 004

Postby drachefly » Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:23 pm

Well, that would have saved a lot of energy if we'd had that before.

Can't quite help wondering whether that's comprehensive.
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