MarbitChow wrote:(Ok, by calling me a hypocrite, you managed to goad me into at least one more post. Congratulations!)
Sure. Except you're doing the same thing. Again. Demonstrating my point... again. Why bother?
You're not *guilty* of "making assumptions". There's nothing wrong with that - every theory requires assumptions. You and I both have assumptions.
No, you used "assumption" as an attack word. You attacked only my assumptions as if those could be defended. I stated that they couldn't at the start. You continue to see only the trees when I state that there's a forest in front of you.
I have issues with your fundamental assumptions, however, and because of that I doubt your conclusion.
Good for you. Dealt with in Post 1. I'm looking for FACTUAL evidence against my theories, not opinion and alternative interpretations.
Even if every one of your assumptions were correct - that they didn't realize they created a game that couldn't be won, and that they realize it now, and that they want to win so that they could start over - your conclusion makes no sense.
Well... unless you're just not smart enough to understand it. That's another plausible explanation of why you can't make sense of it.
They created Erfworld. It is easier to destroy than to create. Nothing is stopping them from wiping the board clean and starting over. If you play-test a game, and realize it's broken, you can stop, change the rules, and start again.
Dealt with in Post 1. In order to prevent cheating, they locked the world so none of the Titans could influence it (ie. cheat), except according to the Rules of the Game. They can't change it, so they can't destroy it.
Your conclusion requires that the Titans are both omnipotent (they create the whole world)
Omnipotence implies power over all things in all universes. I called them demigods, somewhere between god and man, because they don't need infinite power, just enough power to create Erfworld, which may be nothing more than a single world, and not universe.
and powerless (they can't change it once they create it)
Stated above, and in Post 1, they chose to lock the world down to prevent cheating. They are powerless over Erfworld because they chose to be in order to keep the game fair..
geniuses (they see that, summoning a single person from another dimension, they can set in motion a string of incredibly complex events that will transform the entire game)
Genius relative to us, sure. But since I, a normal human, developed the very plan you note, you're either saying that I'm a genous for coming up with it, or you're grossly overestimating the level of intelligence needed to come up with it. Of course, I prefer the former conclusion on that one.
and idiots (they didn't realize that, based on a few design criteria, their game could not be won),
Arrogance, not idiocy.
benevolent (creating sentient life that wants to be there)
In a way, yes. Only some benevolence, because the world they did create has a lot of violence.
and callous (they manipulate those same people into causing the end of their world, just so that they can play again).
And create a new world with new people.
You can certainly attempt to rationalize these contradictions (and I have no doubt that you will try), but to do so, you'll be creating explanations out of thin air, because we have no other real information about the Titans.
No, I just say, "You do realize that normal humans are masses of contradictions? You're accusing me of that now. You
believe creatures like this exist, so why is it so hard to believe the Titans are just more powerful versions of us?"
In addition, your theory diminishes the efforts that Janice, Marie, and others have made. Instead of these characters striving nobly against war, and finding a loophole in their world structure that they might use to save themselves and everything that they love from endless conflict, they're still just pawns of the Titans, dancing on the strings of these omnipotent beings.
Yes, Marie dances to no one's tune... except her prophecies. I wonder where she gets her Predictions from? I'm sure she just makes them up as she goes along, and isn't accessing the magic that the Titans created to answer the questions she asks Predictions for. Nope, absolutely no vector for the Titans to directly influence Marie, and thereby Wanda, Jack, and Janis, at all.
Hey, did you notice that a Predictamancer ensured that Wanda would be popped? No, no vector for the Titans to influence the world at all.
That, more than any other reason, forces me to reject your theory
I think you grossly overestimate how much I respect your opinions. It was never the purpose of this thread to convince others that have their own theories, and I clearly stated that in Post 1, when I said I wouldn't defend my baseline assumptions. The only thing I wanted was hard facts that cut apart the details of the theory, and you have totally failed to find a single one.