Her boots clumped softly on a checkerboard of black and white marble....
Olive is certainly adroit at chess, moving her pieces around the board.
The last few hopefuls who had followed her up the stairs were dissuaded by a line of uncroaked warriors, each holding their hands palms-up and wiggling their fingers obscenely.
I have a bad feeling about this. Given the high probability that Wanda will be serving Haffaton, this could lead to an ugly outcome for her. She will be subject to the orders of Haffaton's warlords, including Larry. He may not take kindly to her rejecting his earlier advances and may decide for some payback later. I don't really like thinking of the implications, so I'm going to drop this, but I can see this getting very ugly.
This city was more impressive than the City of Goodminton, and it wasn't even their capital! Olive admitted there were not one but two level fives on her side.
Kiloton isn't even a level 5; it's a level 4, but it is Haffaton's second largest production center, so production isn't directly tied to level. Also, Haffaton has at least 9 cities total. Haffaton seems to be a side on the scale of Gobwin Knob or Jetstone. They're almost certainly a regional power in this part of Erfworld.
Why was she off somewhere now with Tommy?
We're getting consistent characterization: irrational, jealous Wanda.
"It's brilliant, right? She falls in love with me, and then I ask her to turn. And then she does! And then Father makes her Chief Caster, and Delphie's Prediction can come true, right? And, Titans, I'll have a...a girlfriend!"
Oh, Atomic, you are a Titans disbanded idiot. If anyone's going to get seduced and turned, my money says it won't be Olive. Appearantly Tommy has the brains of an average male teenager; I had thought more highly of him. I must hand it to Olive, though. Wanda seems to have a small crush on Tommy, and she obviously has a huge crush on Olive. By going after Tommy and mostly ignoring Wanda, Olive is effectively souring their relationship. The food may not be poisoned, but Olive's actions certainly are.
Also, I'm surprised the concept of girlfriend
exists in ErfWorld. We know units are capable of love and some form long-term relationships, but I find the existence of formalized terms surprising. There is no procreation, so that removes the need for bonded couples. Given the regularity and acceptance of commanders ordering subordinates to service them, it seems to me that relationships based on relative equality would be the minority and render such relationships alien. On the other hand, Jillian did refer to Dora as Sir Webinar's girlfriend, but it seemed to me she was using the term as an insult, and I didn't give it much thought at the time. Still, the idea of girlfriends
just doesn't feel like it fits, to me, although it seems I'm obviously wrong about that.
From the expression on her brother's face, he was utterly convinced he had just hatched the most cunning scheme since the Titans imagined the world. And the truly galling thing about it was that, as rock-stupid as it was, it was exactly one more plan than she could think of.
This is one of those times where I almost feel Rob is talking to the forums. I read people posting similar theories here, about Goodminton capturing Olive and making her Chief Florist, to fulfill the prophesy. I basically felt like Wanda, i.e. I didn't think it would work, however, I couldn't say anything because I couldn't come up with anything better that didn't result in Wanda going to Haffaton.
Housellama wrote:Oh yeah. Wanda's getting played HARD. Olive's even using her brother to get her. Seducing him in the process just makes it an especially efficient method. She may be a Hippymancer, but that doesn't make her any less ruthless. She's working to get what she wants on as many levels as she can.
Wanda was right. Olive is using peace as effectively as any weapon. She's certainly booping up Wanda's world
Or what Housellama said.
cloudbreaker wrote:For some reason I have a feeling that Tommy won't be the Firebaugh sibling who ends up doing the seducing...
I don't think either Firebaugh sibling will be doing any seducing. In fact, I think at this point they've both been pretty thoroughly seduced.
Or, once again, what Housellama said.
BCCroaker wrote:Wanda. Sleep (euphemisticaly) with Olive, then cut her throat in the morning.
I have a feeling that if anyone is going to exploit this, it will be Haffaton. Here are somethings we know. Haffaton's turn is first. Olive's spell will last until the end of Haffaton's next turn. We know that cleansing and healing happen at the start of a side's turn. So, at dawn, Haffaton's turn will start, and all their units will be cured of the intoxicating effects of the previous night's activities. They can then stack up and get into formations, while Goodminton's units are still inebriated. Haffaton can then immediately end turn. While Goodminton's units would then become sober, they would be scattered across the Garrison, unstacked. Olive's spell would end, allowing Haffaton to slaughter Goodminton's forces piecemeal. They can simply just take Wanda, then. I'm not saying this is what is going to happen, but I think Goodminton is in a much more precarious situation here then they realize.
"the last side of the once-powerful Croatan Tribe"
So, a tribe consists of several sides? That suggests that it could be the "family" of sides created when one splits off from another
That basically the impression I get. I think I remember talking about how barbarian warlords can pop in the field and start new sides. I think it had something to do with the ruins we saw early in Book 1. He also said they were more common than barbarian royal heirs, so it wouldn't be obvious to Ansom that Jillian was a royal. Anyway, I assume the newly popped barbarian would be their own tribe. Any units they produced would be the same tribe. One of those units may go off to found a new side, but it would be the same tribe. The units of Jetstone are of the Jetstone tribe, so that city may be where the first Jetstone popped. Sizemore and Stanely are both members of the Plaid tribe, which was discribed as nearly lost when they were reduced to one city. A tribe being lost may not mean there is only one or a few units left, though. It may simply mean they control no cities and are incable of producing new units. Of course, this is all speculation.
the_tick_rules wrote:I also wonder when does she come to FAQ? They haven't been mentioned yet al all.
We may not see Faq for a long time. We know Jillian is over 700 turns old. We have reason to believe Wanda will be serving under Olive Branch for a long time, either at Haffaton or elsewhere. We don't know how old Wanda is. It may be thousands of turns before Wanda ends up at Faq. She may serve dozens of sides between now and then. Basically, we know the beginning and the end, but we have no way of knowing how big of a gap is between the two.
Kreistor wrote:I don't think there can be any doubt that Delphia told Olive that Wanda would attune to an Arkentool. It is the only explanation for why they would be so strongly seeking Wanda herself. Even as a Master Croakamancer, she isn't that important.
That's certainly possible, but I hope not, for various reasons. For one thing, I don't really like it when everything get tied up in a nice, neat bow. Also, as much as I may dislike Delphie, her sharing something like that with an enemy caster just seems too treasonous
, for lack of a better word. While we know that casters and other units can and sometimes do engage conspiracies and what not, I'd hate to think all of them are. What I mean is, the accepted belief, in Erfworld, seems to be that Duty and Loyalty will make units act in the best interests of their Rulers. If this is what is accepted, it either means it is the norm or Rulers are completely in the dark. If it is the norm, I don't want to see too many exceptions. The example that comes to my mind comes from D&D: the drow. It often seems like there are so many good, rebel drow running around, it completely undercuts and ruins the concept. It becomes trite and cliche. While this is my personal preference, I hope Rob is a better storyteller than that.
Also, Delphie is a level 4, Adept-class Predictamancer. That is actually pretty weak. While we don't know how Predictamancy works, such a Prediction may be beyond her. We know that Marie Predicted that Sizemore would return to the Magic Kingdom, but she failed to Predict that Parson would come. After Parson was ambushed by Jojo, Marie wondered how Jojo knew he'd be coming, saying "that's hard Predictamancy," which indicates, she thinks someone else may have succeeded where she failed. Of course, it is possible that nobody Predicted it. Perhaps Charlie intercepted a Thinkagram or decoded Maggie's message or something. Anyway, it feels, to me, that such a Prediction would be beyond Delphie. While she knows that Wanda will be significant and has a Destiny, she may not know that Wanda will Attune.
Of course, that is the most obvious and likely scenario, but I'm hoping
I'll be surprised.
Kreistor wrote:Simple. We use their morality.
Florists want peace and view war as evil; ergo, war is evil. this is backed up by Trammenis' postulation.
No path has been demonstrated as leading to Peace, except total conquest.
Ergo, war, while still evil, cannot stop until a Victor is decided.
War will continue endlessly unless Peace is declared.
Ergo, failure to try to achieve Victory when a chance presents itself is a choice to continue permanent War.
Therefore, any attempt to end the War through total Victory is the lesser of all evils, because only Victory can end the War. Failure to take such an opportunity means you are choosing to prolong the War and you are no more moral than anyone else.
Basically, you're viewing not trying and maintaining the status quo of eternal war as superior to trying to end the permanent war. I don't think that flies at all, personally. The result of failure is only more of the same permanent war.
A belief that a group is shady and manipulative does not equate to a belief that a group is malicious. One thing I like about ErfWorld is that there are not any cliched villains. Everyone thinks they are doing what is best, but they don't agree on what is best, just like in reality.
There is another option. Ansom's stated goal, at Expository Bridge, was to either convert or ally with all sides in the world. So, alliances, or at least non-aggression pacts, would also result in peace. As you said, the Predictamancers are just one conspiracy among many. They're convinced they are right, just like the others. It remains to be seen how that will play out.