0beron wrote:This is also not something we know. It is SAID, by the "religion" of Erfworld that the Titans used these 'Tools. However, if the real world is any example, religions lose details, distort history, and even outright lie. We don't know that these 4 'Tools aren't part of a larger set. We don't even know that the Titans did in fact use them. In fact, the only time we see Titans, they're working with their bare hands.
Seen a Priest? A religious book has been quoted? A temple built?
Sizemore set the theme for the new city, but he doesn't set the decorations. The city automatically created the chamber of the Titans, making it inherent in the design. There is no drift of religion, because people are popped knowing it. They don't need religious books, because they are created with the religion in their minds. Sorry, but Erf is fundamentally different, and can resist the changes you describe with every Pop.
Selexor wrote:The thread is not to quote specific proofs from the comic and to then gloat about how clever we are for parroting information we've already been given; it is for theories.
Theories need to be consistent with known information from the comic. They need to predict what could be based on what is. But as the comic becomes ever larger, it becomes increasingly difficult for any one person to remember every detail of everyone's comments in the comic. Consequently, theories are inherently presented for mutual analysis. They do need to withstand everyone's knowledge of the comic, since no one person remembers everything, even Rob.
In this case, I presented this challenge based on a perceived double standard. My comments were being held to a standard that I felt the original claim could not have withstood, which I felt was unfair. That's why I modified BlandC's quote, instead of writing my own. I wanted to demonstrate that it was unfairly used against me in the first place. Given the reactions, I think I proved exactly that.
Selexor wrote:The 'pliers have shown exactly three uses thus far: melee weapon, destroying uncroaked, creating decrypted.
Then by extension, you cannot demonstrate an affinity in the Hammer, and so while the Pliers may have an affinity, it is not correct to conclude all Arkentools have an affinity wen one clearly does not. Carnymancy is no longer one-stop-shopping for the Hammer, thanks to our interaction with Jeftichew. We know it is the magic of subterfuge, not "Zapping people with big bolts of magic".
But we can also re-examine the Decrypted. You call them a product of Croakamancy. I find that inadequate. Uncroaked have no mind, and no matter how powerful Wanda became, they remained automatons no more capable than golems or dolls. The effect of recreating their minds is not inside the scope of Croakamancy: it's Thinkamancy. Since the Croakamancy component of Decrypted is only a small improvement on what Wanda could do, and the Thinkamancy component is a far more significant improvement, I can suggest that the Pliers have affinity to a form of Thinkamancy. That matches the Dish, and muddies the waters.
Selexor wrote:I'm honestly trying to keep the debate going. But, alright: If a lack of expertise in magic means the weilder cannot possibly understand how an Arkentool works, we can dismiss all of the "evidence" that Stanley put forward.
I wasn't dismissing you. I was dismissing BlandCorp and Oberon, showing how their standards are unacceptable, and they're only getting away with it because they're targeting me.
Selexor wrote:If a single Arkentool was capable of doing literally anything, why would the Titans need more than one?
I didn't say they were omnipotent, just unlimited in variety of power.
The only answer to that includes massive speculation. They're all equally powerful. They don't trust each other to not cheat. Etc.
Selexor wrote:But saying "We don't know for sure!" is entirely beyond the point.
No, because theories are infinite. It is not possible for Rob to write into the comic the negative existence of every possible theory. tha's an infinite amount of text that does not progress the story.
Theories must lead to the discovery of Canon. Speculation serves no purpose, except to feed one's ego, if it is expected to be accepted because there is no negative evidence against it. For a theory to hold strong, it must have positive evidence for it, not just a lack of evidence against it.