wrecan wrote:W don't know the "IV" in Saline's name indicates the number of preceding Salines. His name simply may have been "Saline IV". Erfworld naming conventions can be strange that way.
Another possibility is that he's the survivor of a Side destroyed during Haffaton's advance.
MonteCristo wrote:No its not... just because Wanda refused to leave Stanely when she had the chance does NOT make a solid link her to faq's fall. Fact of the matter is Jillian has no idea HOW faq fell, she does not know that it required betrayal from within as there are otherways the city could have fell; hell even with the idea that there was betrayal at work, it could have been the work of another, like a certain shockamancer who was shunned by everyone else. In fact, Jillian got her explanation for why Wanda refused to leave stanely when wanda told her about the fate of the tools. Its even possible that during on of her many "Secessions" with wanda, that wanda could have already fed her a cover story about how the city fell.
No, there is a difference on relying on predictmancy to make your moves and believing that fate is unavoidable. Goodmitten also had a predictamancer, and the king relied on her council to make his moves, but in the end he was no fatalist... he did not believe that fate was written in stone and could not be fought.
In fact if you look at Jillian's conversations you can see that she is not a big believer in fate. Hell, in this latest update we find that even after Marie said with conviction that Faq would fall by haffaton, Jillian STILL tried to fight for an alternate plan; she was essentially arguing against fate. In her conversations with wanda in the previous book, Jillian seems to have little respect for fate; afterall wanda's entire toolist point of view and all of her actions are based on fate; she even says that their fates are intertwined... if Jillian was a fatalist she would take the path of least resistance and simply join Gobwinknob, but no, she would rather do things her way than follow fate. However she does seem to understand how fate effects the way a person thinks; she knows from dealing with her father's court that you can't argue against a fatalist, and thus knows the best way to convince a fatalist to do things your way is to try and find a loop hole in the prediction that fits both your views... hence why jillian would try to keep the tools together by bring wanda and charlie together through faq, as a way to convince wanda to go with her while she still plotted Stanely's demise. Really if Jillian were a fatalist she'd probably even think that croaking stanely was impossible since he is a wielder of one of the tools
And like i suggested early, the events of these prequels may even lead to jillian having reason to think fate can be fought against. Marie predicted that haffaton would cause Faq to fall and yet jillian will come to see Haffaton fall first thus spoiling the prediction; though what jillian didn't know and never realized is that the prediction hadn't come to fruiition because marie's prediction was misleading. Hell, when they believed that haffaton would cause them to fall, they started preparing for a back up plan, but when destruction finally did find them, Faq seems like it was completely unprepared; that would suggest that even faq itself might have thought marie's prediction was wrong because she said haffaton would cause the fall, not wanda.
You realise of course, that Stanley was bonded with the Arkenhammer at the time of Faq's destruction? And that Jillian knows this? Fact is, Faq was mysteriously detected by unknown means and Wanda's right there, fighting willingly for Stanley. And of course, her role in Faq's destruction was prophesied and Jillian knows that too.
of Goodminton disregarded the utterances of his Seer because she lied to him. And betrayed her own Predictions to the enemy. She couldn't be trusted for those reasons. And what's fatalism or lack thereof got to do with it? Why should an optimist be incapable of accepting prophecies as real?
Again, relying on Predictamancy to keep her Side alive, then dismissing it out of hand as soon as she's told of the speed and weight of the Elephant charging at her is simply illogical. It doesn't matter if she tries to fight Fate or not. Fate came to pass. Her Side died, destroyed by Wanda in accordance with the prophecy. And as this update made very clear, Jillian is well aware of Wanda's involvement in that prophecy.
Marie's doom laden Prediction was proven true when Faq fell, providing vindication if that prophecy had been doubted. As for Faq's lack of preparation when the end came, I'm thinkin' that was Wanda's doing. She managed to send Jack to the wrong City for example. Although it should said that (providing no word of the Battle reached her via the Magick Kingdom) it's possible that Jillian did indeed establish a successor Side in accordance with her Father's orders, then abdicated and flew off in search of adventure.