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Re: Book 2 – Page 94

Postby Oberon » Fri Oct 26, 2012 4:22 pm

BLANDCorporatio wrote:Oh and Oberon: awesome :twisted:
I know, right?! And it's not even April 1st!!
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Re: Book 2 – Page 94

Postby BLANDCorporatio » Fri Oct 26, 2012 4:26 pm

The Bushranger wrote:
YRM_DM wrote:The casters are making up arbitrary rules like a bad Dungeon Master...But the #1 problem that this comic has had since the start is that enemies keep pulling manufactured rules lawyering out of their behinds to get away with murder and stall the hell out of the plot.


...you do realise that this is exactly how Erfworld is supposed to work, right? It's a world that works on tabletop game rules. Of course there's going to be "the bad DM making up rules to railroad things" - that's how the universe works.


Wait, so the Erfworld universe working as a badly-run RP session is a good thing? I may be misunderstanding your point though so please clarify.

What Bushranger, and Oberon, and I, and a few others, would like to see is some kind of bloody progress already on this story line of Parson/Portal. It's like the longest teased slashfic ever. Look, at some point you need to earn the M rating and let the two have their fun. Get Parson into the Portal NAO!

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Why thank you sirs.


You naughty boy. You substituted the correct name in that post. It starts with K, but that's the only thing you got right.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 94

Postby Kaed » Fri Oct 26, 2012 4:34 pm

BLANDCorporatio wrote:You naughty boy. You substituted the correct name in that post. It starts with K, but that's the only thing you got right.


You're right, I'm deeply ashamed. I shall endeavor to address our lord and master with proper respect in the future.

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Re: Book 2 – Page 94

Postby sheepfly » Fri Oct 26, 2012 4:40 pm

Chadim wrote:I am very confused: not allowing Wanda and Jack seems like a HUGE, arbitrary gamebreaker. They cannot go back because potatoe?


Yes, because potatoe. And it's a wonder that the Great Minds have not defeated Charlie already with their vastly superior reasoning. :roll:

gameboy1234 wrote:I wonder if the chief Thinkamancer of Great Minds is under the influence of Charile. That declaration that only Parson could pass through is a little too convenient.


That's what I've been saying. If Charlie is not actually controlling the Great Minds, he at least is more able to profit from their decisions than they are! (Could just be that he knows exactly what they're up to and how to turn the situation to his advantage, but I have my doubts there.)

bladestorm wrote:Otoh, Jack could be up to his tricks again. I doubt he would have spent the absolute last of his juice on his entrance into MK. There are also several casters that were behind Parson that are no longer there. And Wanda went from way behind Parson to in front of him. That could all be a veil. Some other caster gets veiled as Sizemore, another as Wanda, and another as Jack. The three originals go ahead through the portal ahead of Parson, but everyone present see them still standing there.


If you look closely and compare, there are two casters missing: brown coat/glasses Predictamancer, who was standing next to Wanda, and Jack. My guess? We're going to have a "Wait, where's the foolamancer?" moment after Parson goes through the portal, and then the Wanda-veil will dispel to reveal the missing Predictamancer. Which would make it Jack 2, Magic Kingdom 0.

Having Sizemore in Spacerock would be incredibly useful, but seeing as how he didn't like the plan to begin with, I strongly doubt that he'll go through unless Parson specifically orders him to.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 94

Postby Oberon » Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:20 pm

BLANDCorporatio wrote:What Bushranger, and Oberon, and I, and a few others, would like to see is some kind of bloody progress already on this story line of Parson/Portal. It's like the longest teased slashfic ever. Look, at some point you need to earn the M rating and let the two have their fun. Get Parson into the Portal NAO!
Close, but that's not my beef summarized corectly. I'm not asking for "progress", however that might be defined. What I and at least YRM_DM, Chadim and Sheepfly are concerned about is the fact that Isaac at first insisted upon placing Parson "under the protection of the GMTTA", and now he's going to allow Parson to enter the portal, but under the most hazardous conditions possible: Without his Killamancer and his Poopamancer and his Loonamancer. And certainly without the Psychicreadingamancers who are currently stacked with him.

It's such a reversal and such a departure from his prior position, and it far more greatly endangers his hopes for Parson to be used as a weapon against Charlie that it just boggles the mind. And why did he change his mind? He changed his mind because Maggie repeated herself, only louder. Baffling!
It just doesn't make sense under any conditions which seem realistic: Is he concerned about the MK being viewed as being no longer neutral? Allowing Parson to go through either alone or accompanied by GK casters is all the same as far as that is concerned. Is he convinced by Maggies louder voice that Parson needs this? Well, if he does that doesn't mean he needs to do this alone. Parson was going to go join Wanda and Jack and the rest of the GK forces, so it's not at all about Parson doing this solo. Parson never intended that, so why is Isaac forcing this on him?

Things may become more clear in the future, but right now they kinda stink.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 94

Postby technojunkie » Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:29 pm

What I find funny at this point is that the MK isn't neutral. All this talk of preserving neutrality and acts of war are completely baseless. The Thinkamancers are at war with charlie, the hippimancers are waging a proxy war on war, and I dunno what the predictamancers are up to.

It would be amusing at this point for Isaac to speak up and say that neutrality has already been lost and that the MK is at war and the rest of them don't know it yet.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 94

Postby BLANDCorporatio » Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:37 pm

Oberon wrote:Close, but that's not my beef summarized corectly. I'm not asking for "progress", however that might be defined. What I and at least YRM_DM, Chadim and Sheepfly are concerned about is the fact that Isaac at first insisted upon placing Parson "under the protection of the GMTTA", and now he's going to allow Parson to enter the portal, but under the most hazardous conditions possible.


Oh. Oops. Got to admit that right now, I'm not being too picky about how Parson gets to actually do anything ...

Oberon wrote:It's such a reversal and such a departure from his prior position, and it far more greatly endangers his hopes for Parson to be used as a weapon against Charlie that it just boggles the mind.{snipped for brevity}


... but maybe I should. That snipped out bit won me over, finally. So yeah, that 'compromise' does look weird.

After all, a better 'compromise', if that's what we were after, would be to boot Jack/Wanda back at Spacerock and Parson at GK, no one gets to cross the MK to go to another place than that from whence they came, neutrality preserved.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 94

Postby Radagast » Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:39 pm

I'm going to agree with Wanda being veiled and Jack posing as Wanda. It in fact may not even be Jack doing it, perhaps it was part of the deal with Isaac. Parson wants to lead, he doesn't want to die and he knows GK has no hope of holding Spacerock against the surviving RCC2 forces in the vicinity without further decryption.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 94

Postby BLANDCorporatio » Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:40 pm

technojunkie wrote:What I find funny at this point is that the MK isn't neutral. All this talk of preserving neutrality and acts of war are completely baseless. The Thinkamancers are at war with charlie, the hippimancers are waging a proxy war on war, and I dunno what the predictamancers are up to.


-Are- the Thinkamancers in open war with Charlie? Or is it more a case of each side trying to more or less covertly undermine the other via proxy ops?

And yeah, that's the thing with neutrality as seen in Stupidworld as well. Often, it isn't.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 94

Postby Finn MacCool » Fri Oct 26, 2012 6:12 pm

heh, that guy just had to be named "phil(lip)". :D
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Re: Book 2 – Page 94

Postby Oberon » Fri Oct 26, 2012 6:50 pm

BLANDCorporatio wrote:And yeah, that's the thing with neutrality as seen in Stupidworld as well. Often, it isn't.
Right. The US was 'neutral' at the start of WWI, but shipped massive amounts of support to England. So German U-boats started poaching our shipping. And the rest is history.

Yeah, there's a lot more to it than that. This is the grade school history book version. The point being valid all the same: When A and B are fighting, if C keeps handing B another stick while claiming to be neutral, sooner or later A is going to call bullshit on C's so-called neutrality.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 94

Postby memnarch » Fri Oct 26, 2012 7:38 pm

0beron wrote:...

We pretty clearly see that the Great Minds functionally OWN the MK. If they say this is going to be the deal, nobody besides the carnies are going to defy it. ...

Regarding this, is yellow trench coat man part of the group of carnymancers? He wasn't with the group that came back with Jojo on page 81, but he seems like he's siding with them all the same.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 94

Postby bladestorm » Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:07 pm

memnarch wrote:
0beron wrote:...

We pretty clearly see that the Great Minds functionally OWN the MK. If they say this is going to be the deal, nobody besides the carnies are going to defy it. ...

Regarding this, is yellow trench coat man part of the group of carnymancers? He wasn't with the group that came back with Jojo on page 81, but he seems like he's siding with them all the same.

He was mentioned before. I think he may have been deemed a lookamancer or something. I'll see if I can find the article that mentions him. He was supposed to be several other characters, but ends up looking like Dick Tracey.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 94

Postby nargbop » Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:14 pm

Whatever has Jojo been told to do? Here's a possibility :
He's been ordered to keep Parson alive in the same manner he once kept Sylvia alive.

Most of the story-asides reveal an important mechanic, along with creating the involved characters' stories. That's exactly what happened with Sylvia's flashback. It's the establishment of a rule that will eventually release Parson as a free agent.

There are other possibilities. But what other Thinkamancers are going to be contacting Jojo at this time? Could Jack create a Foolamancy effect good enough to fool Jojo into thinking it's a Thinkagram? Are there other effects that only Jojo would be aware of?
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Re: Book 2 – Page 94

Postby bladestorm » Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:01 pm

bladestorm wrote:He was mentioned before. I think he may have been deemed a lookamancer or something. I'll see if I can find the article that mentions him. He was supposed to be several other characters, but ends up looking like Dick Tracey.

Nevermind. According to this, he is a Carny.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 94

Postby MeyersFTW » Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:19 pm

anyone else notice Avatar Aang in the last panel?
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Re: Book 2 – Page 94

Postby MeyersFTW » Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:30 pm

sheepfly wrote:
Chadim wrote:I am very confused: not allowing Wanda and Jack seems like a HUGE, arbitrary gamebreaker. They cannot go back because potatoe?


Yes, because potatoe. And it's a wonder that the Great Minds have not defeated Charlie already with their vastly superior reasoning. :roll:

gameboy1234 wrote:I wonder if the chief Thinkamancer of Great Minds is under the influence of Charile. That declaration that only Parson could pass through is a little too convenient.


That's what I've been saying. If Charlie is not actually controlling the Great Minds, he at least is more able to profit from their decisions than they are! (Could just be that he knows exactly what they're up to and how to turn the situation to his advantage, but I have my doubts there.)

bladestorm wrote:Otoh, Jack could be up to his tricks again. I doubt he would have spent the absolute last of his juice on his entrance into MK. There are also several casters that were behind Parson that are no longer there. And Wanda went from way behind Parson to in front of him. That could all be a veil. Some other caster gets veiled as Sizemore, another as Wanda, and another as Jack. The three originals go ahead through the portal ahead of Parson, but everyone present see them still standing there.


If you look closely and compare, there are two casters missing: brown coat/glasses Predictamancer, who was standing next to Wanda, and Jack. My guess? We're going to have a "Wait, where's the foolamancer?" moment after Parson goes through the portal, and then the Wanda-veil will dispel to reveal the missing Predictamancer. Which would make it Jack 2, Magic Kingdom 0.

Having Sizemore in Spacerock would be incredibly useful, but seeing as how he didn't like the plan to begin with, I strongly doubt that he'll go through unless Parson specifically orders him to.


i think the potatoe was in fact actually a way of protecting hamster from being followed in by other casters of the MK
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Re: Book 2 – Page 94

Postby Chit Rule Railroad » Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:30 pm

Jojo could be about to say, "I've made an arrangement with Charlie, and he's confident he can make sure Parson croaks in Spacerock. Let's not have a dangerous fight here when we can delegate it." (Letting everyone have the impression that he initiated the thinkagram, rather than Charlie already knowing what's going on.)

cheeseaholic wrote:Just because Jack said that he's out of juice doesn't mean that he's out of juice.

There's also the possibly of scrolls.


Tin-foil hat theory: The GMTTA are in on a con to let GK casters sneak through. They feel breaking the MK's ostensible neutrality is "reckless and unnecessary", but none of them seem to regard it as personally taboo. Since they need to appease the rest of the MK, they want it to look like there was compromise. Jack is not visible because he is using the juice from a duo-link (with a GMTTA member) to make himself look like Wanda and to make Wanda invisible.

vintermann is probably right that GMTTA want a hostage to ensure that Parson will return, but if there were a link, the thinkamancer could monitor who Jack was and was not sneaking through. In particular, Jack would make sense as the hostage, since he's probably out of juice and Stanley typically doesn't have much use for him back in GK. Due to the veil, it would look like Wanda was the hostage, which would save Wanda or X-veiled-as-Wanda from being exposed to assassination on the way back to GK.

Then we could have a text update where Jack and Isaac compare notes on conducting experiments. That would be cool.


On the other hand, from the characters' positions (Wanda was in back with Jack and is now up front), it does seem more likely that the rectangular-glasses Predictamancer is veiled as Wanda, and that both Jack and Wanda are probably invisible. I mostly want the GMTTA to be in on it so they don't look stupid and inconsistent.


bladestorm wrote:Nevermind. According to this, he is a Carny.

No, that's saying that Mal was going to be a carny, but then the carny became Sean Mattox and Mal became the "caster who wants to know about the warlord" before Mal was replaced with Dick Tracy. So Dick Tracy is a nosy, opinionated caster who is probably not a carny.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 94

Postby Drasha » Fri Oct 26, 2012 10:26 pm

The best move at this point is to get wanda back through the portal. Since we can't see jack I assume he must have had some juice left and if I was parson I would use foolamancy on wanda to get her through the portal since she is the biggest bonus they can get and there is no way any one would let her back through the portal because at least the predictamancers and hippymancers want "him" through and if he cuts a deal with the predictamancers to help wanda back through the portal if he stays she would have good odds. Naturally after jojo does what ever hes planning on doing and "parson" gets through the foolamancy will break in the chaos and the jaws of the trap will slam down with wanda on the other side granting a massive bonus to the troops that charlie didn't expect.

Then again parson could think of some other crazy way to out play them all.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 94

Postby Aquillion » Fri Oct 26, 2012 10:44 pm

And this is why you don't try to pull a surprise on people who can see the future.
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