0beron wrote:Why do you say that? When Goodminton fell, FAQ had no mobile force. It was in response to first meeting Wanda that Marie called for the heir to be popped. Which means that when Goodminton fell a dozen or so turns later, Jillian wasn't even popped yet, which means FAq was a bubble kingdom that wasn't using the mercenary tactic.
What I think more likely is that Haffaton somehow hot Frenemy or Quisling to attack (both of them had fliers). Then the hooves that Wanda heard approaching on the road was Haffaton, with Olive there to act innocent and deliver the news that it was another side that killed Firebaugh. She angers Wanda, and gets her to join Haffaton out of rage. They double back, and easily retake Goodminton a few turns later. That would explain why the air defenses have been spent AND the buildings damaged by Siege. Air defenses were fired against Frenemy/Quisling, and buildings were damaged by Haffaton.
They didn't have an heir. An army on the other hand... But that's neither here nor there, as you can rest assured that they had Garrison Units, they'd have had a few Turns to pop more and of course they'd have needed a small amount of fliers for their system to work. If they were even using that system at the time of course. Taking Goodminton's weakness and the absense of Wanda into account, how strong a force would they even need?
Frenemy and Quisling had withdrawn from the area. Also, their last attack had been heavily defeated without Wanda having to do more than a bit of tactical construction.
effataigus wrote:Not sure why I'm still arguing this...
You're saying they have a good shot of failing their hide check. I'm saying that, with a predictamancer and a lookamancer, they don't have to make one. Unlike the path to Faq from GK, there is more than one route to Haffaton... they can pick the one that doesn't go over any warlords or scouts (or pick the on that the predictamancer never predicts their turn order updating to reflect an engagement).
(of a person or their behavior) Primarily concerned with making money at the expense of ethics.
A professional soldier hired to serve in a foreign army.
Jillian didn't even know that Goodminton the side existed until this update.
In reverse order: Gillian didn't know about the Predicted destruction of her Side until shortly after the start of Book Zero: Part II. You expect her to conjure knowledge of such matters from thin air?
Cute. You will of course explain, in detail, why you think Goodminton's neighbours would feel the need to waste money hiring an army at great expense to finish a broken Side that is weakening with every passing day. And what even gave you the impression that Charlescomm existed back in the Goodminton Era?
And lastly... Yes, I realise you're claiming that Faq's Caster's are Godlike and infalliable. That is laughable. Veils can be pierced, Scouts can be hidden, choke points can be blocked and Predictamancy can tell you the exact speed and weight of the Rhino charging at you. Oh wait! It already did.
joosy wrote:Ugh. Goodminton was not razed/rebuilt after it was conquered and it was owned by Haffaton which strongly implies that Haffaton conquered it. Faq had not popped Jillian to send her out to do mercenary work at that point either. Ergo, I do not believe Faq conquered Goodminton.
I find it interesting that Goodminton was left in the same state as it was - neither razed or rebuilt. The reason was probably a lesson to Wanda, a lack of schmuckers or a combination of the two.
Re: the Tannenbaums, etc. I think that may be answered once we find out what other casters Haffaton has/had. I would guess Charlie, but I doubt that Haffaton had the schmuckers to spare since they didn't raze/rebuild the city. I would guess that Haffaton struck a deal wih Frenemy and/or Quisling to do it for them and then had them transfer the city in exchange for a non-aggression pact or something.
Well of course Haffaton conquered the City, they'd have had to, they own the boopin' place, the only alternative is for them to have bought the City from someone else, which is an odd thing to do if you're planning to leave the place to rot. But that's not the same thing as saying they took Goodminton the City from Goodminton the Side. As for Gill, I don't see why she'd be needed, it's akin to saying that Jetstone can't have formed a grand alliance at some point before Ansom was popped.
As far as the state of the City goes, maybe Delphie left them a note? Or messaged them by hat.