Summer Update - 028

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Re: Summer Update - 028

Postby raphfrk » Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:03 pm

warriortribble wrote:I'm guessing they're not afraid of Parson, but the new "creature type" he represents. They're probably guarding against an army of Parsons trying to swarm into their kingdom and kidnap the casters.


They may also have spread the rumour that non-casters are croaked if they entered the portal. The fact that Parson, who is a warlord, managed to return puts them all at risk.

It is possible that the standard policy is that they kill any non-caster who enters the portal.

Ofc, that doesn't explain why casters don't inform their respective Rulers of the fact.
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Re: Summer Update - 028

Postby DevilDan » Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:32 pm

raphfrk wrote:It is possible that the standard policy is that they kill any non-caster who enters the portal.

Ofc, that doesn't explain why casters don't inform their respective Rulers of the fact.


Clearly casters have more complicated loyalties than other types of units.
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Re: Summer Update - 028

Postby Rykka » Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:39 pm

DevilDan wrote:Clearly casters have more complicated loyalties than other types of units.


Agreed, which this page illustrates perfectly. http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F147.jpg
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Re: Summer Update - 028

Postby DevilDan » Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:15 pm

Rykka wrote:
DevilDan wrote:Clearly casters have more complicated loyalties than other types of units.


Agreed, which this page illustrates perfectly. http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F147.jpg


Yes, I was making an oblique reference to that character's continuously surprising behavior in particular.

And speaking of references: Very clever, SteveMB. There is a direct line between Zhuangzi and some of our own discussions about the reality of Erf.
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Re: Summer Update - 028

Postby moose o death » Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:54 pm

i like to believe i belong in the NOT so clever category...hell if my avatar showed up in the debates it'd be a given.
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Re: Summer Update - 028

Postby LordDarksea » Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:24 am

I've just realised that freshers week (or equivalent) at the universities is drawing nearer and its just made me think of the magic kingdom. I'm envisaging it as thousands of people flooding through the portals into the kingdom. Just wondering how many academics will be eyeing the new intake and thinking, 'can we treat that one like Parson...

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Re: Summer Update - 028

Postby BarGamer » Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:28 am

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Sizemore wrote:"The Casters who live there have endless arguments about things like that. Philosophy. Metaphysics. Nature. I go there when I can, to hear the great thinkers...and the not-so-great ones."

Magic Kingdom sounds a lot like the Forum. XD

Now let the debate begin (if it hasn't already) - are casters all connected to RL people, and is the magic kingdom actually the forum...or is it merely a reflection of forumspace, or is it actually forumspace where the casters are reflections of RL people?


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Re: Summer Update - 028

Postby DevilDan » Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:32 am

I've been waiting for a hint about whether uncroaked can be decrypted: at this point, I'm assuming it's too late. (Do all uncroaked basically turn to dust once they're recroaked, an immediate way of preventing serial uncroaking?)
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Re: Summer Update - 028

Postby quindraco » Thu Sep 03, 2009 12:37 pm

Is anyone else curious as to why/how Dollamancy can create Stuff, even though it's not a Stuffamancy discipline?
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Re: Summer Update - 028

Postby cloudbreaker » Thu Sep 03, 2009 12:54 pm

quindraco wrote:Is anyone else curious as to why/how Dollamancy can create Stuff, even though it's not a Stuffamancy discipline?

Not really. There are bound to be overlaps in abilities. And as far as we know, dollamancers only make non-magical clothing, so a magic picnic blanket may be beyond them anyway. Besides, the eyemancers could also make a magical item, the eyebooks, but they aren't stuffamancers either. And all casters can make scrolls.
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Re: Summer Update - 028

Postby DevilDan » Thu Sep 03, 2009 1:44 pm

quindraco wrote:Is anyone else curious as to why/how Dollamancy can create Stuff, even though it's not a Stuffamancy discipline?


In a game-like world, livery is of particular significance; it's no surprise that this is a complex subject getting its own magics.

cloudbreaker wrote:And all casters can make scrolls.


Presumably.
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Re: Summer Update - 028

Postby quindraco » Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:15 pm

cloudbreaker wrote: Not really. There are bound to be overlaps in abilities. And as far as we know, dollamancers only make non-magical clothing, so a magic picnic blanket may be beyond them anyway. Besides, the eyemancers could also make a magical item, the eyebooks, but they aren't stuffamancers either. And all casters can make scrolls.


I'm satisfied that not all objects are Stuff, including eyebooks and scrolls. However, Sizemore's listed examples of Stuff were nonmagical: "Weapons, armor, tools...Stuffamancers just imagine it and conjure it." Now, let's see some example information about Dollamancy: "Twolls have the 'fabrication' special, which is a form of natural Dollamancy. Units with that ability can make small nonmagical items, usually armor and equipment." So, we know at least some armor is Stuff, but we also know Dollamancers can make armor.

None of this is necessarily inconsistent; for example, maybe Sizemore meant that magical armour is conjured by a Stuffamancer, while nonmagical is fabricated by a Dollamancer. I'm just saying it's *curious*, is all. When I look at the situation, I wonder what the explanation is.
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Re: Summer Update - 028

Postby cloudbreaker » Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:34 pm

DevilDan wrote:
cloudbreaker wrote:And all casters can make scrolls.


Presumably.

Ok, the canon section on the scroll page of the wiki changed after I made my last post. Now I don't know what to think...
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Re: Summer Update - 028

Postby MarbitChow » Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:50 pm

Playing dress-up is totally something you do with dolls, thus it falls under Dollamancy. QED.
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Re: Summer Update - 028

Postby Arky » Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:23 pm

Aris Katsaris wrote:This update annoyed me. Its chief result is this: I no longer think that the creators planned or even really remember the magic system they wrote about: Sizemore talks about Stuffamancers as if he's not one of them.


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Re: Summer Update - 028

Postby tale » Thu Feb 27, 2014 4:59 pm

I wish I could see the original post to see what the difference is ... oh there it is:

http://web.archive.org/web/201012230838 ... 80%93-028/
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