mantimeforgot wrote:Educated guesses based on What is what you need to be asking yourself because it clearly isn't societal factors nor can it possibly be a function of stats
mantimeforgot wrote:The fall of Goodminton was not guaranteed, but highly likely until Wanda took her troops out and as soon as that decision was reached the Predictamancer knew it would doom them all.
mantimeforgot wrote:Inferences based upon an assessment invoke probabilities and would never gain the startling degree of clarity that Predictamancers can achieve when certain actions occur or as the time draws near (as evidenced by how certain Marie becomes of Parson's going through the portal and that one more actor had something to contribute to his making it through Before it happened).
mantimeforgot wrote:Marie knows nothing of Wanda
mantimeforgot wrote:Another interesting side question: If Marie was so certain that Wanda specifically would be the main cause of Faq's downfall, then why would she countenance Wanda's service later on when Wanda went to work for Faq alongside Jillian.
mantimeforgot wrote:Incorrect on Goodminton's account; Delphie specifically told Lord Firebaugh that Goodminton could survive, but that the chances were remote (this strongly implies she is privy to the probabilities of metatopics and those are by their very nature beyond the bounds of derived statistics, unless you now wish to contend that Predictamancers are super computers capable of processing),
mantimeforgot wrote:then as soon as Wanda makes her decision to go out and combat enemy forces directly she becomes super distraught (or something I admit I don't remember the specific words used).
mantimeforgot wrote:Marie was able to predict that Sizemore would return with an important mission, but as time progresses she is eventually able to identify which actors will contribute towards success of this mission.
mantimeforgot wrote:There might very well be more ways to do this;
mantimeforgot wrote:The fact that you recognize other Predictamancers as being able to predict Sizemore's appearance and mission (and Parson's eventual appearance in the Magic Kingdom) should have clued you in to the fact that Guessing cannot possibly be going on.
Nnelg wrote:Except for what she saw in her Prediction.
mantimeforgot wrote:Stop! What are you talking about? If Predictamancy is ONLY educated guesses and logic, then WHAT can she possibly be seeing?
mantimeforgot wrote:Where is the genesis of a Prediction? Your arguments seem to amount to "There's Predictamancy" and then there's "Educated guesses to fill in the details," which I might be fine with if you could tell me what it is you seem to think a "Prediction" is in the first place.
mantimeforgot wrote:Using your own words it is practically impossible for it to be faculties native to the Predictamancer (You admit that Marie knows nothing of Wanda except for "The Prediction."), and yet you keep clinging to this notion that Predictamancers are little better than fortune cookies.
mantimeforgot wrote:Why the heck would anyone dedicate a school of magic and study to something without empirically verifiable activity and results?
mantimeforgot wrote:if they realized that nothing out of the ordinary was going on in a Predictamancer other than advanced form of reasoning, then there is pretty much no reason to believe that the world of Erf would recognize Predictamancy as a school of magic.
mantimeforgot wrote:then Predictamancy is a waste of a population slot/caster.
mantimeforgot wrote:If you can replace Predictamancers with a fortune cookie and casual mathamantic/luckamantic access to a situation, then Predictamancy shouldn't exist.
TazTheTerrible wrote:I personally would think predictamancy probably has more things going for it than only being able to see Fated events, mostly because of Delphie's shooting in that air-battle over Goodminton.
Nnelg wrote:mantimeforgot wrote:then Predictamancy is a waste of a population slot/caster.
And now do you understand why Jillian and Lord Firebaugh think so little of them?
mantimeforgot wrote:You literally would see a definite relationship between A) Societies which did not use Predictamancers at all and B) Societies that win all their conflicts.
mantimeforgot wrote:Societies which had cities likely to pop Predictamancers would cease using that City to pop casters;
mantimeforgot wrote:Societies which utilized Predictamancy for any kind of decision making large scale would very quickly be defeated and subjugated by those societies which did not; and no ruler would allow for Predictamancers to lead their troops or act as their main defense in a battle of any importance (Vis-a-vis Goodminton).
mantimeforgot wrote:Societies which utilized Predictamancers would not only not win; they would be doomed to extinction.
mantimeforgot wrote:Our sample size has nothing to do with the fact that Predictamancers having zero actionable intelligence (According to you: The only thing Predictamancers have that isn't Fate awareness is the ability to make educated guesses; This is something which all intelligent people can do); You can't fight Fate so why does it matter if you know about it?
mantimeforgot wrote:Predictamancers have consistently shown that they can give you examples of what will happen, but start to have problems when you ask "What should I do about it?"
mantimeforgot wrote:Predictamancers can tell you what problems you have; Mathamancers can tell you what your chances of dealing with a problem are; everyone else provides solutions.
TazTheTerrible wrote:I think we should take a bit of a step back here and consider for a moment what we're all arguing rather than try to simply attack other people's latest posts. I mean what are we still talking about here, fundamentally?
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