effataigus wrote:Fixed that for you.Kreistor wrote:In short, it is fun to speculate about parallels in their functions at this point.
Yeah, go to the Wiki and check out the History of teh Arkenhammer and Carnymancy to see the full scale war the proponents of this particular foolishness put me through. Not fun in any way. I correctly identified many of the Hammer's functions' schools, but no, it had to all be Carnymancy. And it even went on after we had the definition, and I was not part of that so you cannot blame me even one iota (having left the forum and wiki for a while to end the war, just to prove I wasn't the instigator... which succeeded). I've stayed off the wiki because someone went in afterwards and did to the Wiki exactly what I had been trying to achieve -- cleaning out most wild speculation and giving fair time to the various supportable spec, to end favoritism based on "which faction can control the wiki". (The funny thing is that after we did get that list, the leader of that faction sent me a message claiming victory, when what he had claimed was completely defeated. Somehow, he had perverted his mind to think he had argued for multiple schools, where he had been arguing for Carnymancy alone. He's gone now.)
Anyway, this Speculation about Tools having Primary associations to schools is clearly and obviously false without a lot more supportable statements in the comic, as per the definitions provided for us by the experts in the comic. Speculation may be fun, but it leads to factionalization, and that leads to argumentiveness. It leads to open warfare, and you can see that on the Arkenhammer Wiki entry, where four different factions warred to control the page. Much of what you see there is my effort to make the argument fair to all sides (I had the fourth, no discipline position), since some were deleting any counter-arguments, or perverting reasonable counter-arguments into foolishness. Speculation about what we don't know is cool, but this one we do know, for the moment. All that can change, but it will take more than the Shoes having a primary school. (BTW, the Arkenhammer page was never updated with the information from that Text Update. If some kind person wants to correct it, remove the Primary Discipline arguments that are a holdover of Book 1, since it is almost entirely false now, that would be great. For the reasons above, I'm staying off, still. With an increased counter-Kreistor position on this forum, I am not risking you lot perverting the Wiki the way the last lot of you that got into that mode did.)
I have fought this battle before.
youngstormlord wrote:Actually, Carnimancy is magic of rigging the game. Taking and giving specials when it would suit them.
When an expert in magic, like Wanda, identifies a school for an ability, that is what school it is, even if you want it to be somewhere else, too. To my knowledge, we have yet to identify one effect coming from two different schools. Some effects, like Hoboken, are universal (or nearly so) and possibly school-less. But trying to make a case by shoe-horning everything you see into one small box doesn't validate a result, when there are plenty of other boxes you can do that and get a different one.
"Rigging the game" and "fooling people" is pretty much synonymous. I'm not arguing semantics on that any further.
My big point here is that no one school fits two effects of the Arkenhammer, per Wanda, so trying to identify a primary discipline is contra-indicated. What I can say is that it made Stanley a better Warlord, the way Wanda became a better Croakamancer. And to that, I'll also propose this for you to think about: did the Arkentools confer these powers, or did they become the powers the wielder wanted to have, sub-conciously? Would they have the same powers in the hands of another attuned user?Wadna's favoritism makes the Pliers good at Croakamancy? Charlie's paranoia makes him want to read the minds of his enemies? Stanley's low self-esteem causes the Hammer to make him the best Warlord, but with the chaotic effects of uncertainty? The Arkentools do not have to be anything right now, and we will learn more in time.
If not? This is foreshadowing. Someone is going to attune. Gotta wonder who it might be.
. That's what the Titans used them for!
