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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Carnymancy is described as a magic to fight Fate <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">[</del>and succeed<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">]</del>, or in the words of [[Parson]] validated by [[Jeftichew]], a carnymancer, "the magic of rigging the game." [http://www.erfworld.com/2011/06/book-2-%e2%80%93-page-63/]</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Carnymancy is described as a magic to fight Fate and succeed, or in the words of [[Parson]] validated by [[Jeftichew]], a carnymancer, "the magic of rigging the game." [http://www.erfworld.com/2011/06/book-2-%e2%80%93-page-63/]</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>*Can be used to manipulate [[Fate]] so as to railroad [[Erfworld]] into going down a specific path like a cheating [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamemaster game master]. The [[Titan]]s are the most prominent users of this ability, but Carnymancers frequently try to impose their own will on Fate as well. This allows Carnymancers to cheat [[Fate]], in a struggle to railroad ''against'' the Titans themselves. For example, when Parson tried to determine the odds of casting a Carnymancy [[scroll]], the Titans' Carnymancy made his [[Mathamancy Bracer]] say [[zero]] to dissuade him from trying, but Charlie's Carnymancy allowed it to show the true odds for a flash.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>*Can be used to manipulate [[Fate]] so as to railroad [[Erfworld]] into going down a specific path like a cheating [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamemaster game master]. The [[Titan]]s are the most prominent users of this ability, but Carnymancers frequently try to impose their own will on Fate as well. This allows Carnymancers to cheat [[Fate]], in a struggle to railroad ''against'' the Titans themselves. For example, when Parson tried to determine the odds of casting a Carnymancy [[scroll]], the Titans' Carnymancy made his [[Mathamancy Bracer]] say [[zero]] to dissuade him from trying, but Charlie's Carnymancy allowed it to show the true odds for a flash.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Carnymancy is described as a magic to fight Fate <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">and </del>[succeed], or in the words of [[Parson]] validated by [[Jeftichew]], a carnymancer, "the magic of rigging the game." [http://www.erfworld.com/2011/06/book-2-%e2%80%93-page-63/]</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Carnymancy is described as a magic to fight Fate [<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">and </ins>succeed], or in the words of [[Parson]] validated by [[Jeftichew]], a carnymancer, "the magic of rigging the game." [http://www.erfworld.com/2011/06/book-2-%e2%80%93-page-63/]</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>*Can be used to manipulate [[Fate]] so as to railroad [[Erfworld]] into going down a specific path like a cheating [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamemaster game master]. The [[Titan]]s are the most prominent users of this ability, but Carnymancers frequently try to impose their own will on Fate as well. This allows Carnymancers to cheat [[Fate]], in a struggle to railroad ''against'' the Titans themselves. For example, when Parson tried to determine the odds of casting a Carnymancy [[scroll]], the Titans' Carnymancy made his [[Mathamancy Bracer]] say [[zero]] to dissuade him from trying, but Charlie's Carnymancy allowed it to show the true odds for a flash.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>*Can be used to manipulate [[Fate]] so as to railroad [[Erfworld]] into going down a specific path like a cheating [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamemaster game master]. The [[Titan]]s are the most prominent users of this ability, but Carnymancers frequently try to impose their own will on Fate as well. This allows Carnymancers to cheat [[Fate]], in a struggle to railroad ''against'' the Titans themselves. For example, when Parson tried to determine the odds of casting a Carnymancy [[scroll]], the Titans' Carnymancy made his [[Mathamancy Bracer]] say [[zero]] to dissuade him from trying, but Charlie's Carnymancy allowed it to show the true odds for a flash.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Carnymancy is described as a magic to fight Fate and [succeed], or in the words of [[Parson]] validated by [[Jeftichew]], a carnymancer, "the magic of rigging the game." [http://www.erfworld.com/2011/06/book-2-%e2%80%93-page-63/]</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Carnymancy is described as a magic to fight Fate and [succeed], or in the words of [[Parson]] validated by [[Jeftichew]], a carnymancer, "the magic of rigging the game." [http://www.erfworld.com/2011/06/book-2-%e2%80%93-page-63/]</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>*Can be used to manipulate [[Fate]] so as to railroad [[Erfworld]] into going down a specific path like a cheating [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamemaster game master]. The [[Titan]]s are the most prominent users of this ability, but Carnymancers frequently try to impose their own will on Fate as well. This allows Carnymancers to cheat [[Fate]], in a struggle to railroad ''against'' the Titans themselves. For example, when Parson tried to determine the odds of casting a Carnymancy [[scroll]], <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">[[Fate]] </del>made his [[Mathamancy Bracer]] say zero to dissuade him from trying, but Charlie's Carnymancy allowed it to show the true odds for a flash.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>*Can be used to manipulate [[Fate]] so as to railroad [[Erfworld]] into going down a specific path like a cheating [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamemaster game master]. The [[Titan]]s are the most prominent users of this ability, but Carnymancers frequently try to impose their own will on Fate as well. This allows Carnymancers to cheat [[Fate]], in a struggle to railroad ''against'' the Titans themselves. For example, when Parson tried to determine the odds of casting a Carnymancy [[scroll]], <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">the Titans' Carnymancy </ins>made his [[Mathamancy Bracer]] say <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">[[</ins>zero<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">]] </ins>to dissuade him from trying, but Charlie's Carnymancy allowed it to show the true odds for a flash.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>*Can rig rules in a unit's favor. It appears that the Carnymancer makes a 'deal' to do this, at least for some of these events, though the exact nature of this bargain is unclear. It is also possible that the unit affected by the deal may then owe a debt to Fate (or whomever), which may have to be paid back in some fashion. It would however seem that Carnymancy spells, rather than modifying unit specials or other stats, might affect the actual rules upon which Erfworld operates.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>*Can rig rules in a unit's favor. It appears that the Carnymancer makes a 'deal' to do this, at least for some of these events, though the exact nature of this bargain is unclear. It is also possible that the unit affected by the deal may then owe a debt to Fate (or whomever), which may have to be paid back in some fashion. It would however seem that Carnymancy spells, rather than modifying unit specials or other stats, might affect the actual rules upon which Erfworld operates.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>*Can rig rules in a unit's favor. It appears that the Carnymancer makes a 'deal' to do this, at least for some of these events, though the exact nature of this bargain is unclear. It is also possible that the unit affected by the deal may then owe a debt to Fate (or whomever), which may have to be paid back in some fashion. It would however seem that Carnymancy spells, rather than modifying unit specials or other stats, might affect the actual rules upon which Erfworld operates.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>*Can rig rules in a unit's favor. It appears that the Carnymancer makes a 'deal' to do this, at least for some of these events, though the exact nature of this bargain is unclear. It is also possible that the unit affected by the deal may then owe a debt to Fate (or whomever), which may have to be paid back in some fashion. It would however seem that Carnymancy spells, rather than modifying unit specials or other stats, might affect the actual rules upon which Erfworld operates.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>What is clear is that the effects of Carnymancy must somehow be distinct from the effects of Luckamancy, as they each occupy a separate magical axis, and Luckamancy so far seems less permanent than Carnymancy (one 'borrows' to produce its effects, the other makes a 'deal'; one operates within the 'rules', the other changes them). However, they both may involve some form of cosmic 'debt' that will be paid back in some fashion. Luckamancy pays back good luck (numbers) with an opposing force of bad luck for the unit's side or good luck for the enemy. Carnymancy pays back good Karma (fate) by rigging the rules in one unit's favor while rigging the rules to another unit's detriment (possibly trading one units fate for that of another).</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>What is clear is that the effects of Carnymancy must somehow be distinct from the effects of Luckamancy, as they each occupy a separate magical axis, and Luckamancy so far seems less permanent than Carnymancy (one 'borrows' to produce its effects, the other makes a 'deal'; one operates within the 'rules', the other changes them). However, they both may involve some form of cosmic 'debt' that will be paid back in some fashion. Luckamancy pays back good luck (numbers) with an opposing force of bad luck for the unit's side or good luck for the enemy. Carnymancy pays back good Karma (fate) by rigging the rules in one unit's favor while rigging the rules to another unit's detriment (possibly trading one units fate for that of another).</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Carnymancy is described as a magic to fight Fate and [succeed], or in the words of [[Parson]] validated by [[Jeftichew]], a carnymancer, "the magic of rigging the game." [http://www.erfworld.com/2011/06/book-2-%e2%80%93-page-63/]</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Carnymancy is described as a magic to fight Fate and [succeed], or in the words of [[Parson]] validated by [[Jeftichew]], a carnymancer, "the magic of rigging the game." [http://www.erfworld.com/2011/06/book-2-%e2%80%93-page-63/]</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>*Can rig rules in a unit's favor. It appears that the Carnymancer makes a 'deal' to do this, at least for some of these events, though the exact nature of this bargain is unclear. It is also possible that the unit affected by the deal may then owe a debt to Fate (or whomever), which may have to be paid back in some fashion. It would however seem that Carnymancy spells, rather than modifying unit specials or other stats, might affect the actual rules upon which Erfworld operates. <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline"> </del></div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">*Can be used to manipulate [[Fate]] so as to railroad [[Erfworld]] into going down a specific path like a cheating [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamemaster game master]. The [[Titan]]s are the most prominent users of this ability, but Carnymancers frequently try to impose their own will on Fate as well. This allows Carnymancers to cheat [[Fate]], in a struggle to railroad ''against'' the Titans themselves. For example, when Parson tried to determine the odds of casting a Carnymancy [[scroll]], [[Fate]] made his [[Mathamancy Bracer]] say zero to dissuade him from trying, but Charlie's Carnymancy allowed it to show the true odds for a flash.</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>What is clear is that the effects of Carnymancy must somehow be distinct from the effects of Luckamancy, as they each occupy a separate magical axis, and Luckamancy so far seems less permanent than Carnymancy (one 'borrows' to produce its effects, the other makes a 'deal'; one operates within the 'rules', the other changes them). However, they both may involve some form of cosmic 'debt' that will be paid back in some fashion. Luckamancy pays back good luck (numbers) with an opposing force of bad luck for the unit's side or good luck for the enemy. Carnymancy pays back good Karma (fate) by rigging the rules in one unit's favor while rigging the rules to another unit's detriment (possibly trading one units fate for that of another).</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>What is clear is that the effects of Carnymancy must somehow be distinct from the effects of Luckamancy, as they each occupy a separate magical axis, and Luckamancy so far seems less permanent than Carnymancy (one 'borrows' to produce its effects, the other makes a 'deal'; one operates within the 'rules', the other changes them). However, they both may involve some form of cosmic 'debt' that will be paid back in some fashion. Luckamancy pays back good luck (numbers) with an opposing force of bad luck for the unit's side or good luck for the enemy. Carnymancy pays back good Karma (fate) by rigging the rules in one unit's favor while rigging the rules to another unit's detriment (possibly trading one units fate for that of another).</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>*Possibly the [[Fate]] magic behind the [[Arkenhammer]]. </div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>*Possibly the [[Fate]] magic behind the [[Arkenhammer]].</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>*Alternatively, Carnymancers may adhere to a 'trickster' archetype, where their actions are not <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">explicitly </del>meant to harm or inconvenience an individual, but may also help or instruct.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>*Alternatively, Carnymancers may adhere to a 'trickster' archetype, where their actions are not <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">exclusively </ins>meant to harm or inconvenience an individual, but may also help or instruct<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">. At times, however, the two might be difficult to tell apart</ins>.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Carnymancy is described <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">by an apparent carnymancer </del>as a magic to fight Fate and [succeed], or in the words of [[Parson]] validated by [[Jeftichew]], a carnymancer, "the magic of rigging the game." [http://www.erfworld.com/2011/06/book-2-%e2%80%93-page-63/]</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Carnymancy is described as a magic to fight Fate and [succeed], or in the words of [[Parson]] validated by [[Jeftichew]], a carnymancer, "the magic of rigging the game." [http://www.erfworld.com/2011/06/book-2-%e2%80%93-page-63/]</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>What is clear is that the effects of Carnymancy must somehow be distinct from the effects of Luckamancy, as they each occupy a separate magical axis, and Luckamancy so far seems less permanent than Carnymancy (one 'borrows' to produce its effects, the other makes a 'deal'; one operates within the 'rules', the other changes them). However, they both may involve some form of cosmic 'debt' that will be paid back in some fashion. Luckamancy pays back good luck (numbers) with an opposing force of bad luck for the unit's side or good luck for the enemy. Carnymancy pays back good <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">karma </del>(fate) by rigging the rules in one unit's favor while rigging the rules to another unit's detriment.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>What is clear is that the effects of Carnymancy must somehow be distinct from the effects of Luckamancy, as they each occupy a separate magical axis, and Luckamancy so far seems less permanent than Carnymancy (one 'borrows' to produce its effects, the other makes a 'deal'; one operates within the 'rules', the other changes them). However, they both may involve some form of cosmic 'debt' that will be paid back in some fashion. Luckamancy pays back good luck (numbers) with an opposing force of bad luck for the unit's side or good luck for the enemy. Carnymancy pays back good <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Karma </ins>(fate) by rigging the rules in one unit's favor while rigging the rules to another unit's detriment <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">(possibly trading one units fate for that of another)</ins>.</div></td></tr>
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