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Sorator: /* Comic Pages: Text */

2013-05-04T04:32:30Z

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	[[User:Commander I. Heartly Noah]]		[[User:Commander I. Heartly Noah]]

-	What I've been doing here (following what I saw in the transcriptions immediately prior to mine) is: <br>	+	:What I've been doing here (following what I saw in the transcriptions immediately prior to mine) is: <br>
-	A single text bubble is all one line. <br>	+	:A single text bubble is all one line. <br>
-	Multiple text bubbles connected by little bars, as well as multiple separate bubbles with no change in speaker, are separated with <nowiki><br></nowiki>.	+	:Multiple text bubbles connected by little bars, as well as multiple separate bubbles with no change in speaker, are separated with <nowiki><br></nowiki>.

-	When switching from one speaker to another, start a new paragraph (one blank line between previous and new speaker, just like I did for this line.)	+	:When switching from one speaker to another, start a new paragraph (one blank line between previous and new speaker, just like I did for this line.)

-	As for how to designate the speakers... <nowiki>'''[[Speaker Name]]:'''</nowiki> works nicely. Use the speaker's full name minus titles (so Parson Gotti, not Parson or Chief Warlord Parson Gotti Lord Hamster). If you switch speakers, then switch back to a previous speaker, then you can just use their first name. I may go back and change past transcriptions for consistency if no one objects. [[User:Sorator\|Sorator]] 00:31, 4 May 2013 (EDT)	+	:As for how to designate the speakers... <nowiki>'''[[Speaker Name]]:'''</nowiki> works nicely. Use the speaker's full name minus titles (so Parson Gotti, not Parson or Chief Warlord Parson Gotti Lord Hamster). If you switch speakers, then switch back to a previous speaker, then you can just use their first name. I may go back and change past transcriptions for consistency if no one objects. [[User:Sorator\|Sorator]] 00:31, 4 May 2013 (EDT)

Sorator: /* Comic Pages: Text */

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	However, I'm not sold on this setup myself as there are times when the speech bubbles are separated but it doesn't seem that they need much of a break between them. Any other ideas on the subject are welcome.		However, I'm not sold on this setup myself as there are times when the speech bubbles are separated but it doesn't seem that they need much of a break between them. Any other ideas on the subject are welcome.
	[[User:Commander I. Heartly Noah]]		[[User:Commander I. Heartly Noah]]
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		+	What I've been doing here (following what I saw in the transcriptions immediately prior to mine) is: <br>
		+	A single text bubble is all one line. <br>
		+	Multiple text bubbles connected by little bars, as well as multiple separate bubbles with no change in speaker, are separated with <nowiki><br></nowiki>.
		+
		+	When switching from one speaker to another, start a new paragraph (one blank line between previous and new speaker, just like I did for this line.)
		+
		+	As for how to designate the speakers... <nowiki>'''[[Speaker Name]]:'''</nowiki> works nicely. Use the speaker's full name minus titles (so Parson Gotti, not Parson or Chief Warlord Parson Gotti Lord Hamster). If you switch speakers, then switch back to a previous speaker, then you can just use their first name. I may go back and change past transcriptions for consistency if no one objects. [[User:Sorator\|Sorator]] 00:31, 4 May 2013 (EDT)

Tarrasque89: reverted vandalism

2011-05-06T16:41:22Z

reverted vandalism

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194.95.59.223: /* HtKqHzISteEERF */ new section

2011-05-06T16:03:58Z

HtKqHzISteEERF: new section

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	No more s***. All posts of this quaitly from now on		No more s***. All posts of this quaitly from now on
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		+	== HtKqHzISteEERF ==
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		+	That's rellay thinking out of the box. Thanks!

75.147.97.62: SXWKUkbC

2011-05-06T15:50:39Z

SXWKUkbC

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Miment: ARGH

2011-04-12T15:45:14Z

ARGH

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72.249.183.108: LYrtarruDdPIK

2011-04-12T11:46:53Z

LYrtarruDdPIK

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122.248.255.52: /* References */

2011-04-12T09:44:35Z

References

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	This explanation is confusing to me. I really don't know what you mean. You end with "Cap the game term," (before going on a confusing wrap-up), but how do you define what is and isn't a game term? How do we know which terms to cap? You say there aren't pre-defined words for the Erfworlders. So what defines it for us? (Other than when Rob comes in, for example to say he wants Wildlife, not Animals). Your example of "turn" doesn't help, because you say to cap the game term (implying to leave it uncapped at other times). In that case, I would guess "Turn" means game turns, as opposed to turning or whatever. --[[User:Commander I. Heartly Noah\|Commander I. Heartly Noah]] July 31		This explanation is confusing to me. I really don't know what you mean. You end with "Cap the game term," (before going on a confusing wrap-up), but how do you define what is and isn't a game term? How do we know which terms to cap? You say there aren't pre-defined words for the Erfworlders. So what defines it for us? (Other than when Rob comes in, for example to say he wants Wildlife, not Animals). Your example of "turn" doesn't help, because you say to cap the game term (implying to leave it uncapped at other times). In that case, I would guess "Turn" means game turns, as opposed to turning or whatever. --[[User:Commander I. Heartly Noah\|Commander I. Heartly Noah]] July 31

-	~~==References==~~	+	Great thinking! That really brkesa the mold!
-	I found out why <ref> doesn't work. It requires an extension that has not been installed. See this [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite/Cite.php Page] on MediaWiki. If Rob ever adds this extension, we should get rid of the sup /sup methd and switch to proper referencing. Unless someone out there knows how to do it without that extension. --[[User:Kreistor\|Kreistor]] 12:58, 2 May 2009 (UTC)	+
-	:[[User talk:Balder#References\|Indeed]]. I think our best bet if we want "proper" references is to use the older [[Wikipedia:Template:Ref\|Ref]]/[[Wikipedia:Template:Note\|Note]] system. Alternatively, we could stick with plain links – it's not like this is an encyclopedia, we don't need a bibliography/references section. Inline links would be fine, IMO. —[[User:Revenant\|Revenant]]<sup>[[User talk:Revenant\|Talk]]</sup> 13:03, 2 May 2009 (UTC)	+
-	::I've got a working basic copy of the old [[Template:Ref\|Ref]]/[[Template:Note\|Note]] system working on this wiki. Feel free to try it out. —[[User:Revenant\|Revenant]]<sup>[[User talk:Revenant\|Talk]]</sup> 13:51, 2 May 2009 (UTC)	+
-	~~I think we need to avoid multiple redundant references on the same thing, to avoid clutter, for example~~	+
-	~~the breath weapon column in the [[Dwagon]] article. --[[User:Doran\|Doran]] 18:01, 2 May 2009 (UTC)~~	+
-		+
-	Just something to watch out for, the page numbering on the archive is different from the page numbering on giantipt.com. This may cause misaligned links, when people are changing the giantipt links to the erfworld.com page.	+
-		+
-	~~For example,~~	+
-		+
-	~~<sup>http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F060.jpg</sup>~~	+
-		+
-	~~is different from~~	+
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-	~~<sup>http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0060.html</sup>~~	+
-		+
-	~~Has there been any comment if the current indexing is 'stable' ?~~	+
-		+
-	~~--[[User:Raphfrk\|Raphfrk]] 12:03, 4 May 2009 (UTC)~~	+
-	:The hilarious thing about this (for me) is that it's exactly the file naming scheme I used when saving the archives to my HDD, so for me there's zero adjustment needed. <tt>:P</tt> —[[User:Revenant\|Revenant]]<sup>[[User talk:Revenant\|Talk]]</sup> 04:30, 5 May 2009 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	Stumbled onto a bug in the Erf template. If you do 'erf\|1\|0xx\|whatever [something] whatever' and then hit "Preview", clicking on the edit window will send you to the comic 0xx. Freaky. Just a heads up... don't put [ ] into the ~~hovers.~~	+
-	~~--[[User:Kreistor\|Kreistor]] 20:25, 4 May 2009 (UTC)~~	+
-	~~:Addressed on [[Template talk:Erf]]. —[[User:Revenant\|Revenant]]<sup>[[User talk:Revenant\|Talk]]</sup> 05:05, 5 May 2009 (UTC)<br>~~	+
-	~~<br>~~	+
-	~~References seem to be working out okay. Erf template is working fine. This section of discussion appears closed. Shall we delete it as irrelevant? --[[User:Kreistor\|Kreistor]] 02:16, 24 May 2009 (UTC)~~	+
-	~~:Nay~~! Remember, ''Deletionism is Naughtymancy.'' <tt>;)</tt> Just leave it, we can archive talk pages if they grow too large. —[[User:Revenant\|Revenant]]<sup>[[User talk:Revenant\|Talk]]</sup> 02:21, 11 June 2009 (UTC)	+
-	::Deletionism also refers to articles and not talk about articles. These are essentially a chat room to be added to and cleared as needed. shrugs --[[User:Ichthus\|Ichthus]] ([[User talk:Ichthus\|eyeBook]]) 02:25, 12 June 2009 (UTC)	+

	== Reusable formatting ==		== Reusable formatting ==

63.249.32.179: /* Uncroaked Character Images */

2011-04-12T08:33:17Z

Uncroaked Character Images

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	By 'spoilers', I mean an example such as [[Word_of_the_Titans#2198313\|this on Word of the Titans]], not just anything you can get by reading the comic. I agree with the erfwiki as a spoiler, but i think anything relying on such as the above should be its slef hidden hbehind spoilers. --[[User:Doran\|Doran]] 13:47, 9 May 2009 (UTC)		By 'spoilers', I mean an example such as [[Word_of_the_Titans#2198313\|this on Word of the Titans]], not just anything you can get by reading the comic. I agree with the erfwiki as a spoiler, but i think anything relying on such as the above should be its slef hidden hbehind spoilers. --[[User:Doran\|Doran]] 13:47, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

-	~~=== Uncroaked Character Images ===~~	+	That's way the bsetset answer so far!
-		+
-	For characters that start off alive, perform things, and only later become uncroaked of some variety -- do we want the pictures on their page to include pictures of them before uncroaking, after uncroaking, whichever way ~~they spent~~ the ~~most of the story, or both? Could this count as a spoiler, in the case of people like Webinar and Dora, or does it not matter? [[User:R3u\|R3u]] 20:45, 3 May 2009 (UTC)~~	+
-	~~:Wait on that until Spoiler decisions are made. If no spoilers allowed, then it has to be the first image only. --[[User:Kreistor\|Kreistor]] 20:35, 4 May 2009 (UTC)~~	+
-	::While this must wait until the spoiler decision is made, I suggest that with the Erfwiki-as-spoiler option we use a picture of the character's current or most recent form, and then include previous forms in a sub-section.--[[User:Fluffums\|Fluffums]] 03:54, 6 May 2009 (UTC)	+

	==Erworld Mechanics==		==Erworld Mechanics==

Miment: Reverted edits by 134.47.109.184 (Talk) to last version by Commander I. Heartly Noah

2011-04-12T06:43:18Z

Reverted edits by 134.47.109.184 (Talk) to last version by Commander I. Heartly Noah

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	If there is a little bit of block formatting or tables that is used over and over such as the stat blocks or the school of magic breakdown, please be sure to request a template. This will allow everything to appear consistent. I imagine we will end up making templates for factions, capitals, in the near future. We just have to decide on what they'll look like and what information we want in them.--[[User:Ichthus\|Ichthus]] 14:57, 2 May 2009 (UTC)		If there is a little bit of block formatting or tables that is used over and over such as the stat blocks or the school of magic breakdown, please be sure to request a template. This will allow everything to appear consistent. I imagine we will end up making templates for factions, capitals, in the near future. We just have to decide on what they'll look like and what information we want in them.--[[User:Ichthus\|Ichthus]] 14:57, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

-	~~BtklNT Superior thinking demonstrated above~~. Thanks!	+	== Canon Future Spoilers ==
		+	Came across this when doing [[Word_of_God#2198313\|2198313]], are we okay with putting them in white text.
		+	There may be a template for doing so. --[[User:Doran\|Doran]] 18:48, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
		+	:Created {{tl\|Spoiler}}, a la TVTropes. {{Spoiler\|Works like this}}. —[[User:Revenant\|Revenant]]<sup>[[User talk:Revenant\|Talk]]</sup> 04:06, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
		+	::Thanks! Although we need a better definition of 'spoiler' as some people are going to see any future speculation as spoilers ala the Giantitp forums, and some just the creator's explicit spoilers. Any thoughts? --[[User:Doran\|Doran]] 16:02, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
		+	:::I think that most things that have shown up in the actual pages of the comic should not count as spoilers -- people can finish reading the comic before checking the wiki, and the wiki will look strange if 90% of it ends up being in white text. I think that future speculation should just be 'speculation', and put in that section, while specific commentary from the comic creators counts as 'spoiler' if it refers to future events. My 2 cents. [[User:R3u\|R3u]] 20:45, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
		+	::::I do not like GitP's def'n of spoiler. But, I think anyone reading the Wiki is going to see Spoilers. All of the Game Mechanics are spoilers for a new reader, and putting the entire definition of [[Turn]] into white text is, well, not desirable. I think it's best that when we get around to creating a Header for the pages that all headers just include a general spoiler warning, and then don't bother with worrying about anything specific in the text. --[[User:Kreistor\|Kreistor]] 20:29, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
		+	:::::Added a fairly narrow definition of spoiler on the page - things revealed by the creators relating to the future comic direction. --[[User:Doran\|Doran]] 20:37, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
		+	::::::That's not the description of Spoilers. Spoilers are any events in the comic that a new reader would not be aware of. For instance, if I were standing in line for Empire Strikes Back and someone said as he left, "I can't believe Vader is Luke's dad!" then I was just spoiled. Spoilers are unavoidable on the Wiki, by its very nature. All those rules were spoilers, since they are based of events late in the BfGK that would spoil a new reader. --[[User:Kreistor\|Kreistor]] 20:46, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
		+	:::::::Let me just cast my vote for the wiki to be written with the up-to-date reader as the audience. If you are starting from the beginning, you really should just read the whole comic. If you don't want to read the whole comic, then the wiki should provide you with the information you need to make sense of what is going on. In other words, I believe the entire wiki should be considered a spoiler. If we really have to, maybe part of the icon or a line on every page of the wiki should read, "Erfwiki is a spoiler. Read Erfworld first."--[[User:Fluffums\|Fluffums]] 03:54, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
		+
		+	By 'spoilers', I mean an example such as [[Word_of_the_Titans#2198313\|this on Word of the Titans]], not just anything you can get by reading the comic. I agree with the erfwiki as a spoiler, but i think anything relying on such as the above should be its slef hidden hbehind spoilers. --[[User:Doran\|Doran]] 13:47, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
		+
		+	=== Uncroaked Character Images ===
		+
		+	For characters that start off alive, perform things, and only later become uncroaked of some variety -- do we want the pictures on their page to include pictures of them before uncroaking, after uncroaking, whichever way they spent the most of the story, or both? Could this count as a spoiler, in the case of people like Webinar and Dora, or does it not matter? [[User:R3u\|R3u]] 20:45, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
		+	:Wait on that until Spoiler decisions are made. If no spoilers allowed, then it has to be the first image only. --[[User:Kreistor\|Kreistor]] 20:35, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
		+	::While this must wait until the spoiler decision is made, I suggest that with the Erfwiki-as-spoiler option we use a picture of the character's current or most recent form, and then include previous forms in a sub-section.--[[User:Fluffums\|Fluffums]] 03:54, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

	==Erworld Mechanics==		==Erworld Mechanics==

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	If there is a little bit of block formatting or tables that is used over and over such as the stat blocks or the school of magic breakdown, please be sure to request a template. This will allow everything to appear consistent. I imagine we will end up making templates for factions, capitals, in the near future. We just have to decide on what they'll look like and what information we want in them.--[[User:Ichthus\|Ichthus]] 14:57, 2 May 2009 (UTC)		If there is a little bit of block formatting or tables that is used over and over such as the stat blocks or the school of magic breakdown, please be sure to request a template. This will allow everything to appear consistent. I imagine we will end up making templates for factions, capitals, in the near future. We just have to decide on what they'll look like and what information we want in them.--[[User:Ichthus\|Ichthus]] 14:57, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

-	~~BtklNT Superior thinking demonstrated above~~. Thanks!	+	== Canon Future Spoilers ==
		+	Came across this when doing [[Word_of_God#2198313\|2198313]], are we okay with putting them in white text.
		+	There may be a template for doing so. --[[User:Doran\|Doran]] 18:48, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
		+	:Created {{tl\|Spoiler}}, a la TVTropes. {{Spoiler\|Works like this}}. —[[User:Revenant\|Revenant]]<sup>[[User talk:Revenant\|Talk]]</sup> 04:06, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
		+	::Thanks! Although we need a better definition of 'spoiler' as some people are going to see any future speculation as spoilers ala the Giantitp forums, and some just the creator's explicit spoilers. Any thoughts? --[[User:Doran\|Doran]] 16:02, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
		+	:::I think that most things that have shown up in the actual pages of the comic should not count as spoilers -- people can finish reading the comic before checking the wiki, and the wiki will look strange if 90% of it ends up being in white text. I think that future speculation should just be 'speculation', and put in that section, while specific commentary from the comic creators counts as 'spoiler' if it refers to future events. My 2 cents. [[User:R3u\|R3u]] 20:45, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
		+	::::I do not like GitP's def'n of spoiler. But, I think anyone reading the Wiki is going to see Spoilers. All of the Game Mechanics are spoilers for a new reader, and putting the entire definition of [[Turn]] into white text is, well, not desirable. I think it's best that when we get around to creating a Header for the pages that all headers just include a general spoiler warning, and then don't bother with worrying about anything specific in the text. --[[User:Kreistor\|Kreistor]] 20:29, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
		+	:::::Added a fairly narrow definition of spoiler on the page - things revealed by the creators relating to the future comic direction. --[[User:Doran\|Doran]] 20:37, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
		+	::::::That's not the description of Spoilers. Spoilers are any events in the comic that a new reader would not be aware of. For instance, if I were standing in line for Empire Strikes Back and someone said as he left, "I can't believe Vader is Luke's dad!" then I was just spoiled. Spoilers are unavoidable on the Wiki, by its very nature. All those rules were spoilers, since they are based of events late in the BfGK that would spoil a new reader. --[[User:Kreistor\|Kreistor]] 20:46, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
		+	:::::::Let me just cast my vote for the wiki to be written with the up-to-date reader as the audience. If you are starting from the beginning, you really should just read the whole comic. If you don't want to read the whole comic, then the wiki should provide you with the information you need to make sense of what is going on. In other words, I believe the entire wiki should be considered a spoiler. If we really have to, maybe part of the icon or a line on every page of the wiki should read, "Erfwiki is a spoiler. Read Erfworld first."--[[User:Fluffums\|Fluffums]] 03:54, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
		+
		+	By 'spoilers', I mean an example such as [[Word_of_the_Titans#2198313\|this on Word of the Titans]], not just anything you can get by reading the comic. I agree with the erfwiki as a spoiler, but i think anything relying on such as the above should be its slef hidden hbehind spoilers. --[[User:Doran\|Doran]] 13:47, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
		+
		+	=== Uncroaked Character Images ===
		+
		+	For characters that start off alive, perform things, and only later become uncroaked of some variety -- do we want the pictures on their page to include pictures of them before uncroaking, after uncroaking, whichever way they spent the most of the story, or both? Could this count as a spoiler, in the case of people like Webinar and Dora, or does it not matter? [[User:R3u\|R3u]] 20:45, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
		+	:Wait on that until Spoiler decisions are made. If no spoilers allowed, then it has to be the first image only. --[[User:Kreistor\|Kreistor]] 20:35, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
		+	::While this must wait until the spoiler decision is made, I suggest that with the Erfwiki-as-spoiler option we use a picture of the character's current or most recent form, and then include previous forms in a sub-section.--[[User:Fluffums\|Fluffums]] 03:54, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

	==Erworld Mechanics==		==Erworld Mechanics==