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All Heirs are [[Commander]]s; those popped generally are [[Warlord]]s but may possibly be [[Caster]]s. It is not uncommon for an Heir to also serve as [[Chief Warlord]], but it is not necessary for one unit to serve both functions, and both titles can be redistributed by the Ruler.
All Heirs are [[Commander]]s; those popped generally are [[Warlord]]s but may possibly be [[Caster]]s. It is not uncommon for an Heir to also serve as [[Chief Warlord]], but it is not necessary for one unit to serve both functions, and both titles can be redistributed by the Ruler.
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==Known Sides and their Heirs==
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==Known Heirs==
*[[Gobwin Knob]]
*[[Gobwin Knob]]
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**[[Stanley]] was already serving as Chief Warlord when named [[Heir Designate]] by [[King Saline IV]]. {{Erf|1|079}}
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**[[Stanley]] - Former [[Heir Designate]] under [[King Saline IV]]{{Erf|1|079}}; now [[Overlord]]
*[[Jetstone]]
*[[Jetstone]]
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**[[Prince Ansom]] was Chief Warlord and Heir while he lived.
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** [[Prince Ansom]] - Former Heir to [[King Slately]]; [[Croaked]] & [[Decrypted]]
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**Prince [[Ossomer]] was Chief Warlord and possibly Heir after Ansom's [[croaking]] and [[Decrypted|decryption]].
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**[[Prince Ossomer]] - Possible Former Heir to [[King Slately]] after Ansom was croaked; [[Croaked]], [[Decrypted]], [[Turned]], and finally [[Dusted]]
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***Prince [[Tramennis]] was named Chief Warlord after the loss of Ossomer, but was not an Heir and did not instantly become one.
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**[[Prince Tramennis]] - Former [[Heir Designate]] to [[King Slately]]; now [[King]]
*[[Transylvito]]
*[[Transylvito]]
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**[[Don King]], [[pop]]ped as Heir to [[King County]].
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**[[Don King]] - Former Popped Heir to [[King County]]; now [[King]] of [[Transylvito]]
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**Unknown [[Royal]] male Heir
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**Unknown [[Royal]] male - Former Popped Heir to [[Don King]]; [[Croaked]]
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**Unknown Royal female Heir
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**Unknown [[Royal]] female - Former Popped Heir to [[Don King]]; [[Croaked]]
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**[[Caesar Borgata]] was Chief Warlord when designated Heir by [[Don King]].
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**Viscount [[Caesar Borgata]] - [[Noble]] [[Heir Designate]] to [[Don King]]
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**Unknown Royal Heir, being popped.
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**Unknown Royal Heir, being [[pop]]ped.
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*[[Unaroyal]]
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*[[Unaroyal]] - [[Side]] destroyed
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**[[Princess Cruz]], presumably [[pop]]ped for the purpose.  She may not have been serving as Chief Warlord when she was croaked.  After her decryption, [[K.C.]] was serving in that post.  It is not clear if he was her replacement or had been in that position prior. [[Queen Bea]] had not designated a new Heir after Cruz's croaking and decryption.
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**[[Princess Cruz]] - Former Heir to [[Queen Bea]]; [[Decrypted]], then [[Dusted]]
*[[Faq]]
*[[Faq]]
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**[[Jillian]] was popped as an Heir {{Erf|1|082}}
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**[[Jillian Zamussels]] - Former Popped Heir to <>; now [[Queen]] {{Erf|1|082}}
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**Unknown Royal Heir, being popped.
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**Unknown Royal Heir, being [[pop]]ped.
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*[[Goodminton]]  
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*[[Goodminton]] - Side destroyed
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**[[Wanda]] was promoted to [[Heir Designate]] just before the destruction of her original side.
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**[[Tommy Firebaugh]] - Possible Heir to [[Overlord Firebaugh]]; Croaked, Uncroaked, presumably Dusted
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**[[Wanda Firebaugh]] - Former [[Heir Designate]] to [[Overlord Firebaugh]]. Became [[Overlord]] of Goodminton shortly before the side was destroyed. Currently [[Chief Caster|Chief]] [[Croakamancer]] of [[Gobwin Knob]].
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=Speculation=
=Speculation=
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It may be the case that all Heirs must be Warlord or Casters; every Heir seen thus far was either popped as a Warlord-Heir, or was named Heir Designate while serving as a Warlord or Caster. (Stanley was promoted to Warlord, and ''then'' named [[Heir Designate]].) Naming an [[Heir Designate]] may require promoting the [[unit]] to Warlord first.
Ansom refers to Jillian as [[Prince]]ss when he finds out about [[Faq]] {{Erf|1|083}}.  This seems to be a customary title for a [[Royal]] Heir.
Ansom refers to Jillian as [[Prince]]ss when he finds out about [[Faq]] {{Erf|1|083}}.  This seems to be a customary title for a [[Royal]] Heir.
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It is unclear how [[Ansom]] became Heir, but due to his status as Prince, he was most likely popped.{{Erf|1|91}}
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It is unclear how [[Ansom]] became Heir - he may have been [[pop]]ped as an Heir, or merely [[pop]]ped as a [[Royal]] [[Warlord]] and later named [[Heir Designate]].
It may be that Heirs, while capable of claiming sacked and razed [[Capital]]s, may not be able to claim neutral cities. No one has spoken of claiming [[Unaroyal]] and restarting that side. Of course, this might be due to other issues. Stanley has no Heirs to claim Unaroyal. And the RCC II, while they have heirs, may not feel that the limited benefits of gaining one new unmanned city outweigh the expense of seizing and fortifying it.
It may be that Heirs, while capable of claiming sacked and razed [[Capital]]s, may not be able to claim neutral cities. No one has spoken of claiming [[Unaroyal]] and restarting that side. Of course, this might be due to other issues. Stanley has no Heirs to claim Unaroyal. And the RCC II, while they have heirs, may not feel that the limited benefits of gaining one new unmanned city outweigh the expense of seizing and fortifying it.
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Since Casters can be promoted to Heir Designate, and since there is a small chance of a warlord being popped as a caster, then it is possible that an Heir may be popped as a Caster (being both an Heir and a Caster).
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Since a [[Warlord]] in production may be [[pop]]ped as an Heir (at the cost of additional [[turn]]s), and since there is a small chance of a Warlord in production instead popping as a Caster, then it is possible that a Warlord-Heir may instead pop as a Caster-Heir.
==Multiple Heirs and Line of Succession==
==Multiple Heirs and Line of Succession==
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It is unclear if Transylvito's heirs existed concurrently or consecutively. Each was Heir for a time but later [[croaked]]. [[Don King]] then named non-Royal [[Warlord]] [[Caesar Borgata]] as Heir Designate. Later, with Borgata still serving as Heir (and Chief Warlord), Transylvito began popping a new Royal Heir.
It is unclear if Transylvito's heirs existed concurrently or consecutively. Each was Heir for a time but later [[croaked]]. [[Don King]] then named non-Royal [[Warlord]] [[Caesar Borgata]] as Heir Designate. Later, with Borgata still serving as Heir (and Chief Warlord), Transylvito began popping a new Royal Heir.
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In the case of Jetstone, it is known that all three Princes ([[Ansom]], [[Ossomer]], and [[Tramennis]]) existed at the same time.  It is clear that Ansom served Jetstone as [[Chief Warlord]], to be replaced by Ossomer after his [[croak]]ing, and finally Tramennis after ''his'' croaking. However, the line of succession as Heir is less clear. After the capture of Ossomer by [[Gobwin Knob]], [[Parson]] comments that they "have [Jetstone's] heir," indicating that the death of [[Slately]] would either destroy the side or leave the side under [[Gobwin Knob]] control. This would indicate that at that moment, during [[Gobwin Knob]]'s turn, [[Tramennis]] was not the Heir to the throne of Jetstone, could not be so named by the King, and did not achieve the title by default through any means of automatic succession.  It also would indicate that only one Heir can be in line for the throne at a time, unlike in [[Stupidworld]].
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In the case of Jetstone, it is known that three Princes ([[Ansom]], [[Ossomer]], and [[Tramennis]]) existed at the same time.  It is clear that Ansom served Jetstone as [[Chief Warlord]], was replaced by Ossomer after his [[croak]]ing, who was replaced by Tramennis after ''his'' croaking. However, the line of succession as Heir is less clear. After the capture of Ossomer by [[Gobwin Knob]], [[Parson]] comments that they "have [Jetstone's] heir," which could refer to either Ansom or Ossamer. After Ossamer was croaked and decrypted, [[Slately]] expends a great deal of effort and [[Schmuckers]] to name Trammenis [[Heir Designate]], which means Trammenis did not become an Heir automatically. It is unclear if Ossamer was ever Heir, and if so, whether he inherited that position because he was popped as a "backup" Heir as part of a line of succession, or if he was named Heir Designate after Ansom was croaked and decrypted.
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*It is now confirmed that Tramennis was not an Heir and did not become one automatically; He could certainly be made [[Heir Designate]] in the normal fashion.
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However, this is contradictory to Slately's thoughts on Transylvito not having a royal "line of succession." Though this may only mean a single Royal Heir, which was the case at the time.
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Slately does have thoughts on Transylvito not having a royal "line of succession," but this could be referring to Transylvito having no [[Royal]] Heir at all at the time, and thus it does not rule out the possibility that a side can have only one Heir at a time. That would mean, in the event of losing an Heir, a side must ''then'' spend a great deal of production to pop a new Heir, or spend a great deal of Schmuckers to name an Heir Designate, instead of taking either (or both) of those steps beforehand. Considering that an Heir would likely only die in a time- and money-consuming conflict, and that the primary function of an Heir is to preserve the side in the event of the [[Ruler]] croaking, this would make losing an Heir extremely problematic.
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Also, it is not clear whether being a scion of the Ruler or being the Heir to the throne makes one an "Heir" in the sense of claiming Capital sites. The terminology is fuzzy; is the Heir Designate the one in line for the throne, or does that only cover those Heirs not popped?
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If a side can have multiple Heirs concurrently, and any Heir can claim a [[Capital site]], it's possible that [[side]]s have Heirs not only for security, but as a threat to rivals.  It lets a [[Side]] credibly threaten to destroy their [[Capital]] and start a new side. However, again assuming a side can have multiple concurrent Heirs, it may be the case that only the first in the line of succession may capture a [[Capital site]].
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If a side can have multiple Heirs concurrently, and an Heir can claim a [[Capital site]], it's possible that [[side]]s have Heirs not only for security, but as a threat to rivals.  It lets a [[Side]] credibly threaten to destroy their capital and start a new side.
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Normally a [[Ruler]] can [[disband]] [[unit]]s immediately, with just a thought.  However, Heirs can apparently "make a play for the throne".  This may mean that an Heir cannot be disbanded like a normal unit, or simply that they must manipulate other [[Side]]s and [[Natural Allies]] (as Stanley may have) to gain the throne.
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Normally a [[Ruler]] can [[disband]] [[unit]]s immediately, with just a thought.  However, Heirs can apparently "make a play for the throne".  Does this mean an Heir can't be disbanded like a normal unit?  Or that they must use other units from another [[Side]] or [[Natural Allies]] to make that happen, like [[Stanley]] may have?
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==Banhammer and Faq==
==Banhammer and Faq==
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Note that the two ideas below are conflicting ideas about King Banhammer and the Fall of Faq.
 
A Heir, if it escapes the destruction of its [[Side]], becomes a [[Barbarian]], as happened to [[Jillian]]. If it then recaptures its original [[Capital]], the [[Side]] may be restored (as suggested by Ansom). [[King Banhammer]] popped an Heir in response to a prediction, but this would not change the [[Predictamancer]]'s claim that his Kingdom will fall. With [[Jillian]] away at the time of the Fall of [[Faq]], she was not present to commit a suicidal attack against overwhelming forces (as her demeanor would have demanded), and so she survived the event by not being present. This leaves her free to return later with adequate forces to recapture Faq and restore her [[Side]]. This may have been Banhammer's plan all along: knowing his daughter could not flee from an overwhelming force (where a philosopher Prince would have seen the wisdom of escape and so could have been kept close), she could not be kept near him in Faq. This demanded that Banhammer create friction between himself and his daughter, allowing him to send her away to do as she would willingly while ensuring her survival; whereas, had she known he was trying to protect her, she would have resisted.
A Heir, if it escapes the destruction of its [[Side]], becomes a [[Barbarian]], as happened to [[Jillian]]. If it then recaptures its original [[Capital]], the [[Side]] may be restored (as suggested by Ansom). [[King Banhammer]] popped an Heir in response to a prediction, but this would not change the [[Predictamancer]]'s claim that his Kingdom will fall. With [[Jillian]] away at the time of the Fall of [[Faq]], she was not present to commit a suicidal attack against overwhelming forces (as her demeanor would have demanded), and so she survived the event by not being present. This leaves her free to return later with adequate forces to recapture Faq and restore her [[Side]]. This may have been Banhammer's plan all along: knowing his daughter could not flee from an overwhelming force (where a philosopher Prince would have seen the wisdom of escape and so could have been kept close), she could not be kept near him in Faq. This demanded that Banhammer create friction between himself and his daughter, allowing him to send her away to do as she would willingly while ensuring her survival; whereas, had she known he was trying to protect her, she would have resisted.
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Heirs may have some protection against being disbanded by the [[Ruler]].  Even though [[King Banhammer]] doesn't seem to like Jillian, he doesn't disband her.  This could be due to Jillian misunderstanding his opinion of her, or perhaps, Natural Thinkamancy imparts something like parental love.  It may also have been purely an expense issue.
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Heirs may have some protection against being disbanded by the [[Ruler]].  Even though [[King Banhammer]] doesn't seem to like Jillian, he doesn't disband her.  This could be due to Jillian misunderstanding his opinion of her, or perhaps, Natural Thinkamancy imparts something like parental love.  It may also have been purely an expense issue, or possibly a moral one (just because he doesn't ''like'' her doesn't mean he should ''disband'' her.)
==Popping an Heir==
==Popping an Heir==
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Designating a Heir should take just as much worth or more but in actual money, instead of production time. The price to designate [[Prince]] [[Tramennis]] as [[Jetstone]]'s heir during the [[Assault on Jetstone]] would be roughly 165,000 [[Shmucker]]s. (5K*28 archons=140K + 25K bonus, assuming [[Gobwin Knob]] had not lost or gained any [[archon]]s in between the [[Battle for Gobwin Knob]] and the [[Battle of Expository Bridge]].)
Designating a Heir should take just as much worth or more but in actual money, instead of production time. The price to designate [[Prince]] [[Tramennis]] as [[Jetstone]]'s heir during the [[Assault on Jetstone]] would be roughly 165,000 [[Shmucker]]s. (5K*28 archons=140K + 25K bonus, assuming [[Gobwin Knob]] had not lost or gained any [[archon]]s in between the [[Battle for Gobwin Knob]] and the [[Battle of Expository Bridge]].)
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These may be the only means of acquiring an Heir. However, it is possible that a [[popped]] [[Warlord]], which has a certain percentage chance of being [[Noble]], or [[Royal]], or a [[Prince]], and/or a [[caster]], also has a chance of being an Heir.
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These may be the only means of acquiring an Heir. However, it is possible that a [[popped]] [[Warlord]], which has a certain percentage chance of being [[Noble]], or [[Royal]], and/or a [[caster]], also has a chance of being an Heir.
==Puppet States==
==Puppet States==

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Proposed Canon

An Heir is a Unit that will become Ruler of their Side when the current Ruler croaks.

An Heir may be popped for the purpose, at great cost in production, or named from among existing units, at great cost in Shmuckers.

All Heirs are Commanders; those popped generally are Warlords but may possibly be Casters. It is not uncommon for an Heir to also serve as Chief Warlord, but it is not necessary for one unit to serve both functions, and both titles can be redistributed by the Ruler.

Known Heirs


A Heir may start a new Side by claiming a Capital site.

Speculation

It may be the case that all Heirs must be Warlord or Casters; every Heir seen thus far was either popped as a Warlord-Heir, or was named Heir Designate while serving as a Warlord or Caster. (Stanley was promoted to Warlord, and then named Heir Designate.) Naming an Heir Designate may require promoting the unit to Warlord first.

Ansom refers to Jillian as Princess when he finds out about Faq Erf-b1-p083Same-site.PNG. This seems to be a customary title for a Royal Heir.

It is unclear how Ansom became Heir - he may have been popped as an Heir, or merely popped as a Royal Warlord and later named Heir Designate.

It may be that Heirs, while capable of claiming sacked and razed Capitals, may not be able to claim neutral cities. No one has spoken of claiming Unaroyal and restarting that side. Of course, this might be due to other issues. Stanley has no Heirs to claim Unaroyal. And the RCC II, while they have heirs, may not feel that the limited benefits of gaining one new unmanned city outweigh the expense of seizing and fortifying it.

Since a Warlord in production may be popped as an Heir (at the cost of additional turns), and since there is a small chance of a Warlord in production instead popping as a Caster, then it is possible that a Warlord-Heir may instead pop as a Caster-Heir.

Multiple Heirs and Line of Succession

So far, two sides are known to have had multiple Royal progeny; Transylvito and Jetstone.

It is unclear if Transylvito's heirs existed concurrently or consecutively. Each was Heir for a time but later croaked. Don King then named non-Royal Warlord Caesar Borgata as Heir Designate. Later, with Borgata still serving as Heir (and Chief Warlord), Transylvito began popping a new Royal Heir.

In the case of Jetstone, it is known that three Princes (Ansom, Ossomer, and Tramennis) existed at the same time. It is clear that Ansom served Jetstone as Chief Warlord, was replaced by Ossomer after his croaking, who was replaced by Tramennis after his croaking. However, the line of succession as Heir is less clear. After the capture of Ossomer by Gobwin Knob, Parson comments that they "have [Jetstone's] heir," which could refer to either Ansom or Ossamer. After Ossamer was croaked and decrypted, Slately expends a great deal of effort and Schmuckers to name Trammenis Heir Designate, which means Trammenis did not become an Heir automatically. It is unclear if Ossamer was ever Heir, and if so, whether he inherited that position because he was popped as a "backup" Heir as part of a line of succession, or if he was named Heir Designate after Ansom was croaked and decrypted.

Slately does have thoughts on Transylvito not having a royal "line of succession," but this could be referring to Transylvito having no Royal Heir at all at the time, and thus it does not rule out the possibility that a side can have only one Heir at a time. That would mean, in the event of losing an Heir, a side must then spend a great deal of production to pop a new Heir, or spend a great deal of Schmuckers to name an Heir Designate, instead of taking either (or both) of those steps beforehand. Considering that an Heir would likely only die in a time- and money-consuming conflict, and that the primary function of an Heir is to preserve the side in the event of the Ruler croaking, this would make losing an Heir extremely problematic.

If a side can have multiple Heirs concurrently, and any Heir can claim a Capital site, it's possible that sides have Heirs not only for security, but as a threat to rivals. It lets a Side credibly threaten to destroy their Capital and start a new side. However, again assuming a side can have multiple concurrent Heirs, it may be the case that only the first in the line of succession may capture a Capital site.

Normally a Ruler can disband units immediately, with just a thought. However, Heirs can apparently "make a play for the throne". This may mean that an Heir cannot be disbanded like a normal unit, or simply that they must manipulate other Sides and Natural Allies (as Stanley may have) to gain the throne.

Banhammer and Faq

A Heir, if it escapes the destruction of its Side, becomes a Barbarian, as happened to Jillian. If it then recaptures its original Capital, the Side may be restored (as suggested by Ansom). King Banhammer popped an Heir in response to a prediction, but this would not change the Predictamancer's claim that his Kingdom will fall. With Jillian away at the time of the Fall of Faq, she was not present to commit a suicidal attack against overwhelming forces (as her demeanor would have demanded), and so she survived the event by not being present. This leaves her free to return later with adequate forces to recapture Faq and restore her Side. This may have been Banhammer's plan all along: knowing his daughter could not flee from an overwhelming force (where a philosopher Prince would have seen the wisdom of escape and so could have been kept close), she could not be kept near him in Faq. This demanded that Banhammer create friction between himself and his daughter, allowing him to send her away to do as she would willingly while ensuring her survival; whereas, had she known he was trying to protect her, she would have resisted.

Heirs may have some protection against being disbanded by the Ruler. Even though King Banhammer doesn't seem to like Jillian, he doesn't disband her. This could be due to Jillian misunderstanding his opinion of her, or perhaps, Natural Thinkamancy imparts something like parental love. It may also have been purely an expense issue, or possibly a moral one (just because he doesn't like her doesn't mean he should disband her.)

Popping an Heir

It is stated that popping a Royal Heir would take the total production of the City of Faq (when it was a level 4 City) for 60 Turns.summer-updates-037 External.png

Designating a Heir should take just as much worth or more but in actual money, instead of production time. The price to designate Prince Tramennis as Jetstone's heir during the Assault on Jetstone would be roughly 165,000 Shmuckers. (5K*28 archons=140K + 25K bonus, assuming Gobwin Knob had not lost or gained any archons in between the Battle for Gobwin Knob and the Battle of Expository Bridge.)

These may be the only means of acquiring an Heir. However, it is possible that a popped Warlord, which has a certain percentage chance of being Noble, or Royal, and/or a caster, also has a chance of being an Heir.

Puppet States

Heirs may claim sacked cities as their own. However, heirs also have inherent loyalty to the side that popped them. Therefore, it is possible that establishing an heir in a city may allow a side to create a puppet side, similar to what Transylvito did to Faq.

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