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0beron: /* Speculation */

2012-02-16T17:48:20Z

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	Even a [[caster]] who is normally not proficient at casting spells beyond his own discipline can use scrolls of other disciplines with some effectiveness.		Even a [[caster]] who is normally not proficient at casting spells beyond his own discipline can use scrolls of other disciplines with some effectiveness.

-	~~It is not clear whether~~ casting a spell from a scroll ~~spends~~ any of the [[caster]]'s juice~~. If it costs any, it is significantly less than if the caster was casting the same spell without a scroll~~.	+	Wanda's use of the [[Dirtamancy]] scroll in Book 0 suggests that casting a spell from a scroll does not expend any of the [[caster]]'s juice.

	It is not clear whether a scroll's effectiveness relates to the scroll maker's unit level or novice/master caster ranking in the discipline, the scroll-reader's unit level or novice/master caster ranking in the discipline, whether it's the same kind of skill the maker or reader are good at, or the amount of juice/money/time used to make it.		It is not clear whether a scroll's effectiveness relates to the scroll maker's unit level or novice/master caster ranking in the discipline, the scroll-reader's unit level or novice/master caster ranking in the discipline, whether it's the same kind of skill the maker or reader are good at, or the amount of juice/money/time used to make it.

98.200.18.14: /* Speculation */

2011-11-25T08:24:57Z

Speculation

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	Scroll making level may be a skill which varies with caster independently of skill level or discipline, as a separate unit special with its own level number.		Scroll making level may be a skill which varies with caster independently of skill level or discipline, as a separate unit special with its own level number.
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		+	Scroll making could be why casters are valuble as captives, even if they can't be turned, they could be force to make scrolls in exchange for their upkeep.

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Mattlistener: /* Speculation */

2011-08-05T17:27:30Z

Speculation

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	It is not clear whether a scroll's effectiveness relates to the scroll maker's unit level or novice/master caster ranking in the discipline, the scroll-reader's unit level or novice/master caster ranking in the discipline, whether it's the same kind of skill the maker or reader are good at, or the amount of juice/money/time used to make it.		It is not clear whether a scroll's effectiveness relates to the scroll maker's unit level or novice/master caster ranking in the discipline, the scroll-reader's unit level or novice/master caster ranking in the discipline, whether it's the same kind of skill the maker or reader are good at, or the amount of juice/money/time used to make it.

-	It may be necessary or not to learn a scroll's recipe from the related kind of caster, making it impossible for certain sides to learn certain scroll-creation methods unless they hire outsiders. Perhaps seeing it being cast once ~~suffice~~.	+	It may be necessary or not to learn a scroll's recipe from the related kind of caster, making it impossible for certain sides to learn certain scroll-creation methods unless they hire outsiders. Perhaps seeing it being cast once suffices.

	Some spells might be too high level to scroll, or incredibly long/costly so they're not worth the effort. Otherwise every major side would get a stash of turnamancy scrolls to have turns twice and end the other side's turn and quadruple arrows/leader bonus and do foolamancy etc. at every important battle which would render the story uninteresting - it's more of a Charlescomm ultimate stand thing. (However it has also been shown that many casters are more adept than others at casting spells outside of their specialty - for example, Wanda had difficulty casting the ultimate-warlord spell to Stanley's satisfaction because she was not a Findamancer, though her ability to manage spells outside her specialty made it possible for her to cast the spell at all. In addition, such powerful spells as ending another side's turn requires a link-up, which may not be possible to replicate via a scroll).		Some spells might be too high level to scroll, or incredibly long/costly so they're not worth the effort. Otherwise every major side would get a stash of turnamancy scrolls to have turns twice and end the other side's turn and quadruple arrows/leader bonus and do foolamancy etc. at every important battle which would render the story uninteresting - it's more of a Charlescomm ultimate stand thing. (However it has also been shown that many casters are more adept than others at casting spells outside of their specialty - for example, Wanda had difficulty casting the ultimate-warlord spell to Stanley's satisfaction because she was not a Findamancer, though her ability to manage spells outside her specialty made it possible for her to cast the spell at all. In addition, such powerful spells as ending another side's turn requires a link-up, which may not be possible to replicate via a scroll).

AJLW: /* Speculation */

2011-06-27T03:12:37Z

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		+	Scrollmaking will generally require all of a caster's juice for a given turn. Casters in the magic kingdom will often make scrolls which can be purchased by the various sides for Shmuckers to pay the caster's upkeep. Casters on sides tend not to spend out-of-combat turns scribing scrolls as they mostly have other uses for their juice (e.g. making golems) and if a caster uses all their juice scribing a scroll they will have none available if attacked later in the turn. Of course, there are exceptions, as with Wanda and her "stash".

	A scroll with a spell of the same [[Magic#Types of Magic\|Discipline]] as the [[Caster]] has a greater effect than one cast by a different Discipline.{{Erf\|1\|006\|"No, Lord. I'm a Croakamancer. We need a Findamancer."}}		A scroll with a spell of the same [[Magic#Types of Magic\|Discipline]] as the [[Caster]] has a greater effect than one cast by a different Discipline.{{Erf\|1\|006\|"No, Lord. I'm a Croakamancer. We need a Findamancer."}}
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	It is not clear whether casting a spell from a scroll spends any of the [[caster]]'s juice. If it costs any, it is significantly less than if the caster was casting the same spell without a scroll.		It is not clear whether casting a spell from a scroll spends any of the [[caster]]'s juice. If it costs any, it is significantly less than if the caster was casting the same spell without a scroll.
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-	It is possible there are other costs (e.g. money) associated with scrollmaking, as otherwise one might suspect Duty would require casters to spend all of their 'off-combat' turns creating scrolls rather than 'taking it easy' having picnics et al (of course, it is also possible they are in fact doing so offpage).

	It is not clear whether a scroll's effectiveness relates to the scroll maker's unit level or novice/master caster ranking in the discipline, the scroll-reader's unit level or novice/master caster ranking in the discipline, whether it's the same kind of skill the maker or reader are good at, or the amount of juice/money/time used to make it.		It is not clear whether a scroll's effectiveness relates to the scroll maker's unit level or novice/master caster ranking in the discipline, the scroll-reader's unit level or novice/master caster ranking in the discipline, whether it's the same kind of skill the maker or reader are good at, or the amount of juice/money/time used to make it.

Cloudbreaker: added image

2011-05-22T06:51:58Z

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	A Scroll is a [[Magic Item\|magic item]]. It is a physical storage device for a single [[spell]], which can be used only by a [[caster]]. Casters may create a scroll or scrolls on their [[turn]], for a significantly higher cost in [[juice]] than simply casting the same [[spell]].		A Scroll is a [[Magic Item\|magic item]]. It is a physical storage device for a single [[spell]], which can be used only by a [[caster]]. Casters may create a scroll or scrolls on their [[turn]], for a significantly higher cost in [[juice]] than simply casting the same [[spell]].

98.149.137.219: /* Speculation */

2010-09-30T07:42:47Z

Speculation

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	It is not clear whether a scroll's effectiveness relates to the scroll maker's unit level or novice/master caster ranking in the discipline, the scroll-reader's unit level or novice/master caster ranking in the discipline, whether it's the same kind of skill the maker or reader are good at, or the amount of juice/money/time used to make it.		It is not clear whether a scroll's effectiveness relates to the scroll maker's unit level or novice/master caster ranking in the discipline, the scroll-reader's unit level or novice/master caster ranking in the discipline, whether it's the same kind of skill the maker or reader are good at, or the amount of juice/money/time used to make it.

-	It may be necessary or not to learn a scroll's recipe from the related kind of caster, making it impossible for certain sides to learn certain scroll-creation methods unless they hire outsiders. Perhaps seeing it being ~~casted~~ once suffice.	+	It may be necessary or not to learn a scroll's recipe from the related kind of caster, making it impossible for certain sides to learn certain scroll-creation methods unless they hire outsiders. Perhaps seeing it being cast once suffice.

-	Some spells might be too high level to scroll, or incredibly long/costly so they're not worth the effort. Otherwise every major side would get a stash of ~~turnmancy~~ scrolls to have turns twice and end the other side's turn and quadruple arrows/leader bonus and do foolamancy etc. at every important battle which would render the story uninteresting - it's more of a ~~charliecomm~~ ultimate stand thing. (However it has also been shown that many casters are more adept than others at casting spells outside of their specialty - for example, Wanda had difficulty casting the ultimate-warlord spell to Stanley's satisfaction because she was not a Findamancer, though her ability to manage spells outside her specialty made it possible for her to cast the spell at all. In addition, such powerful spells as ending another side's turn requires a link-up, which may not be possible to replicate via a scroll).	+	Some spells might be too high level to scroll, or incredibly long/costly so they're not worth the effort. Otherwise every major side would get a stash of turnamancy scrolls to have turns twice and end the other side's turn and quadruple arrows/leader bonus and do foolamancy etc. at every important battle which would render the story uninteresting - it's more of a Charlescomm ultimate stand thing. (However it has also been shown that many casters are more adept than others at casting spells outside of their specialty - for example, Wanda had difficulty casting the ultimate-warlord spell to Stanley's satisfaction because she was not a Findamancer, though her ability to manage spells outside her specialty made it possible for her to cast the spell at all. In addition, such powerful spells as ending another side's turn requires a link-up, which may not be possible to replicate via a scroll).

-	Scroll making level may be a skill which varies with caster ~~independantly~~ of skill level or discipline, as a separate unit special with its own level number.	+	Scroll making level may be a skill which varies with caster independently of skill level or discipline, as a separate unit special with its own level number.

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205.193.12.50: /* Speculation */ spelling

2010-06-25T12:57:14Z

Speculation: spelling

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	It is not clear whether a scroll's effectiveness relates to the scroll maker's unit level or novice/master caster ranking in the discipline, the scroll-reader's unit level or novice/master caster ranking in the discipline, whether it's the same kind of skill the maker or reader are good at, or the amount of juice/money/time used to make it.		It is not clear whether a scroll's effectiveness relates to the scroll maker's unit level or novice/master caster ranking in the discipline, the scroll-reader's unit level or novice/master caster ranking in the discipline, whether it's the same kind of skill the maker or reader are good at, or the amount of juice/money/time used to make it.

-	It may be necessary or not to learn a scroll's ~~receipie~~ from the related kind of caster, making it impossible for certain sides to learn certain scroll-creation methods unless they hire outsiders. Perhaps seeing it being casted once suffice.	+	It may be necessary or not to learn a scroll's recipe from the related kind of caster, making it impossible for certain sides to learn certain scroll-creation methods unless they hire outsiders. Perhaps seeing it being casted once suffice.

	Some spells might be too high level to scroll, or incredibly long/costly so they're not worth the effort. Otherwise every major side would get a stash of turnmancy scrolls to have turns twice and end the other side's turn and quadruple arrows/leader bonus and do foolamancy etc. at every important battle which would render the story uninteresting - it's more of a charliecomm ultimate stand thing. (However it has also been shown that many casters are more adept than others at casting spells outside of their specialty - for example, Wanda had difficulty casting the ultimate-warlord spell to Stanley's satisfaction because she was not a Findamancer, though her ability to manage spells outside her specialty made it possible for her to cast the spell at all. In addition, such powerful spells as ending another side's turn requires a link-up, which may not be possible to replicate via a scroll).		Some spells might be too high level to scroll, or incredibly long/costly so they're not worth the effort. Otherwise every major side would get a stash of turnmancy scrolls to have turns twice and end the other side's turn and quadruple arrows/leader bonus and do foolamancy etc. at every important battle which would render the story uninteresting - it's more of a charliecomm ultimate stand thing. (However it has also been shown that many casters are more adept than others at casting spells outside of their specialty - for example, Wanda had difficulty casting the ultimate-warlord spell to Stanley's satisfaction because she was not a Findamancer, though her ability to manage spells outside her specialty made it possible for her to cast the spell at all. In addition, such powerful spells as ending another side's turn requires a link-up, which may not be possible to replicate via a scroll).

67.170.240.100: /* Speculation */

2010-04-19T05:58:34Z

Speculation

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	It may be necessary or not to learn a scroll's receipie from the related kind of caster, making it impossible for certain sides to learn certain scroll-creation methods unless they hire outsiders. Perhaps seeing it being casted once suffice.		It may be necessary or not to learn a scroll's receipie from the related kind of caster, making it impossible for certain sides to learn certain scroll-creation methods unless they hire outsiders. Perhaps seeing it being casted once suffice.

-	Some spells might be too high level to scroll, or incredibly long/costly so they're not worth the effort. Otherwise every major side would get a stash of turnmancy scrolls to have turns twice and end the other side's turn and quadruple arrows/leader bonus and do foolamancy etc. at every important battle which would render the story uninteresting - it's more of a charliecomm ultimate stand thing.	+	Some spells might be too high level to scroll, or incredibly long/costly so they're not worth the effort. Otherwise every major side would get a stash of turnmancy scrolls to have turns twice and end the other side's turn and quadruple arrows/leader bonus and do foolamancy etc. at every important battle which would render the story uninteresting - it's more of a charliecomm ultimate stand thing. (However it has also been shown that many casters are more adept than others at casting spells outside of their specialty - for example, Wanda had difficulty casting the ultimate-warlord spell to Stanley's satisfaction because she was not a Findamancer, though her ability to manage spells outside her specialty made it possible for her to cast the spell at all. In addition, such powerful spells as ending another side's turn requires a link-up, which may not be possible to replicate via a scroll).

	Scroll making level may be a skill which varies with caster independantly of skill level or discipline, as a separate unit special with its own level number.		Scroll making level may be a skill which varies with caster independantly of skill level or discipline, as a separate unit special with its own level number.

Commander I. Heartly Noah: /* Speculation */

2010-02-19T08:33:45Z

Speculation

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	Even a [[caster]] who is normally not proficient at casting spells beyond his own discipline can use scrolls of other disciplines with some effectiveness.		Even a [[caster]] who is normally not proficient at casting spells beyond his own discipline can use scrolls of other disciplines with some effectiveness.

-	It is not clear whether casting a spell from a scroll spends any of the [[caster]]'s juice.	+	It is not clear whether casting a spell from a scroll spends any of the [[caster]]'s juice. If it costs any, it is significantly less than if the caster was casting the same spell without a scroll.

	It is possible there are other costs (e.g. money) associated with scrollmaking, as otherwise one might suspect Duty would require casters to spend all of their 'off-combat' turns creating scrolls rather than 'taking it easy' having picnics et al (of course, it is also possible they are in fact doing so offpage).		It is possible there are other costs (e.g. money) associated with scrollmaking, as otherwise one might suspect Duty would require casters to spend all of their 'off-combat' turns creating scrolls rather than 'taking it easy' having picnics et al (of course, it is also possible they are in fact doing so offpage).

174.92.188.54: /* Speculation */

2010-02-18T10:35:10Z

Speculation

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	It is not clear whether casting a spell from a scroll spends any of the [[caster]]'s juice.		It is not clear whether casting a spell from a scroll spends any of the [[caster]]'s juice.

-	It is possible there are other costs (e.g. money) associated with scrollmaking, as otherwise one might suspect Duty would require casters to spend all of their 'off-combat' turns creating scrolls rather than 'taking it easy' having picnics et al (of course, it is also possible they are in fact doing so offpage).	+	It is possible there are other costs (e.g. money) associated with scrollmaking, as otherwise one might suspect Duty would require casters to spend all of their 'off-combat' turns creating scrolls rather than 'taking it easy' having picnics et al (of course, it is also possible they are in fact doing so offpage).
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		+	It is not clear whether a scroll's effectiveness relates to the scroll maker's unit level or novice/master caster ranking in the discipline, the scroll-reader's unit level or novice/master caster ranking in the discipline, whether it's the same kind of skill the maker or reader are good at, or the amount of juice/money/time used to make it.
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		+	It may be necessary or not to learn a scroll's receipie from the related kind of caster, making it impossible for certain sides to learn certain scroll-creation methods unless they hire outsiders. Perhaps seeing it being casted once suffice.
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		+	Some spells might be too high level to scroll, or incredibly long/costly so they're not worth the effort. Otherwise every major side would get a stash of turnmancy scrolls to have turns twice and end the other side's turn and quadruple arrows/leader bonus and do foolamancy etc. at every important battle which would render the story uninteresting - it's more of a charliecomm ultimate stand thing.
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		+	Scroll making level may be a skill which varies with caster independantly of skill level or discipline, as a separate unit special with its own level number.

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