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Talk:Nookie

2013-04-19T14:42:46Z

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who ever made this page wins. that is all.
:That would be [[User:Commander I. Heartly Noah]] and [[User:NemFX]]. [[User:Miment|Miment]] 18:46, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

==Pairings and Possible Pairings==

To avoid an edit war.. Talking here - there seems to be a few unconfirmed entries in these lists.

Known pairings are parings for which there nookie is directly implied by the characters or for which we have "Fade-to-black" evidence in the comic. IE: Wanda and Jillian

Possible is "It makes sense, but we have no real proof", Possible does not mean "It could be imagined that they had nookie". IE: Maggie and Sizemore they could fall under known pairings, but all we have is a throaway line that their linking was enjoyable for both of them

The following have no basis at all in the comic and should probably be removed unless they've been revealed.
Jillian & Three Edged
Ace and Cubbins
Olive and Wanda
*Done. If anyone can find any reasonable references, feel free to put them back in. [[User:Jszellmer|Jszellmer]] 20:03, 24 March 2013 (EDT)
**Umm...? Since I'm anonymous I'm not going to revert, but seriously? (Edited and removed - Too harsh: I apologize..) http://www.erfworld.com/wiki/index.php?title=Nookie&diff=70180&oldid=70131 [[Special:Contributions/216.185.68.30|216.185.68.30]] 15:25, 8 April 2013 (EDT)
***I suppose Jillian & Three-Edged fits under possible pairings, depending on how you interpret Jillian's monologue, but why were Ace & Cubbins and Olive & Wanda added back in? I've searched, and I can't find anything that even ''might'' imply that. How liberal a definition of "possible" are we using?--[[Special:Contributions/97.113.200.189|97.113.200.189]] 19:09, 17 April 2013 (EDT)
****OK - I totally forgot (or skipped over) that passage about three edged - apparently you CAN do that with a sword... 0_0! I can see Ace and Cubbins as speculation - but I don't agree there's a basis for Olive and Wanda implied anywhere... Still... After being proven wrong about three-edged, sorry for being an arse. [[Special:Contributions/216.185.68.30|216.185.68.30]] 10:42, 19 April 2013 (EDT)

User:Jimmyedword

2013-04-16T15:57:57Z

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Nookie

2013-04-09T18:08:36Z

216.185.68.30: /* Possible Nookie Pairings */ - removed half-finished sentence from yesterday.

=Proposed Canon=
On [[Erfworld]], things which seem to have no practical function can perform a symbolic function. For example, [[Gobwin Knob]] has a "bank", which is simply an empty building. By occasionally stepping inside this "bank", [[Parson]] can "inspect" the "bank", which makes [[Gobwin Knob]]'s economy more productive.

Since there is no pregnancy and there are no babies in [[Erfworld]], [[heir]]s are [[pop|popped]], [[Nookie]] also seems to have no practical bearing on [[pop|popping]]{{WoT|4047518}}. However, it may serve an important symbolic function. According to [[Parson Gotti|Parson]]'s discussion with [[Maggie]], it would seem that the technical act and, erm, "Tools" involved are much the same.

==Known Nookie Pairings==
Pairings for which there has been direct reference to within the comic.
*[[Princess]] [[Jillian Zamussels]] and [[Prince Ansom]]
*[[King|Queen]] Jillian Zamussels and [[Count]] [[Vinny Doombats]]
*[[Lady]] [[Wanda Firebaugh]] and [[Overlord]] [[Stanley the Tool]]
*[[Sizemore Rockwell]] and [[Uhura]]
*Countess [[Artemis]] and Prince [[Forthewin]]
*Dame [[Olive Branch]] and [[Tommy Firebaugh|Atomic "Tommy" Firebaugh]]
*Princess Jillian Zamussels and [[Countess]] [[Marika Neagle]]
*Princess Jillian Zamussels and Viscount [[Bart Lightrail]]
*Princess Jillian Zamussels and [[Three-Edged]] Sword[[citation needed]]

=Speculation=
While [[Nookie]] serves no biological functions, it may be considered to serve social functions like with [[Wikipedia:Bonobo#Sexual_social_behavior|bonobos]].
It has also been speculated that it can influence the traits of a popped unit when an heir or noble unit is involved. Namely, Jillian and Vinny's involvement is speculated to have a bearing on the personality/temperament of the [[FAQ]] [[Heir]] currently in production.

Nookie could be a form of Natural Date-a-mancy. In addition to the aformentioned possible influence on heirs, the nature of the emotions involved with such an act could both build and destroy relationships, not only between individual units, but also sides. A study of who is (or is not) engaging in Nookie with whom and why may give a breakdown of relationships between units and how to use that against the units in question.

==Analysis==
There certainly appear to be real emotional attachments associated with these pairings, as evidenced by the complexities of the relationships between [[Wanda]], [[Jillian]], [[Ansom]], and [[Vinny]]. However, it is unclear how deeply these emotional bonds run, and it may depend on the individual. That said, there have been multiple cases in which "love" and [[nookie]] coincide, and those conflicting emotions, particularly when combined with the ability of [[ruler]], [[warlord]] and [[caster]] units to exercise freewill, may have changed the outcomes of engagements (Wanda not croaking Jillian at the [[Tower of Efdup]], or Jillian's capturing Ansom at the [[Expository Bridge]]).

==Possible Nookie Pairings==
The following are pairings that have been implied, in some cases heavily implied, within the comic or text but for which there has been no direct confirmation.

*Princess Jillian Zamussels and Lady [[Wanda Firebaugh]]
*Count Vinny Doombats and [[Jaclyn]], two other [[Archon]]s
*Archons and unknown clients
*Archons and [[Charlie]]
*Archons and [[Parson Gotti]]
*[[Queen Bea]] and [[Don King]]
*Princess Jillian Zamussels and [[Jack Snipe]]
*Viscount [[Caesar Borgata]] and [[Bunny]]
*[[Sizemore Rockwell]] and [[Maggie]]
*[[Ace]] and [[Cubbins]] [[citation needed]]
*King [[Slately]] and [[Holly Shortcake]]
*Dame Olive Branch and Lady Wanda Firebaugh [[citation needed]]
*Dame Olive Branch and King Loj [[Banhammer]]
[[Category:Erfworld Culture]]
[[Category:Proposed Canon]]
[[Category:Speculation]]

Talk:Nookie

2013-04-08T19:35:34Z

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Nookie

2013-04-08T19:31:36Z

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=Proposed Canon=
On [[Erfworld]], things which seem to have no practical function can perform a symbolic function. For example, [[Gobwin Knob]] has a "bank", which is simply an empty building. By occasionally stepping inside this "bank", [[Parson]] can "inspect" the "bank", which makes [[Gobwin Knob]]'s economy more productive.

Since there is no pregnancy and there are no babies in [[Erfworld]], [[heir]]s are [[pop|popped]], [[Nookie]] also seems to have no practical bearing on [[pop|popping]]{{WoT|4047518}}. However, it may serve an important symbolic function. According to [[Parson Gotti|Parson]]'s discussion with [[Maggie]], it would seem that the technical act and, erm, "Tools" involved are much the same.

==Known Nookie Pairings==
Pairings for which there has been direct reference to within the comic.
*[[Princess]] [[Jillian Zamussels]] and [[Prince Ansom]]
*[[King|Queen]] Jillian Zamussels and [[Count]] [[Vinny Doombats]]
*[[Lady]] [[Wanda Firebaugh]] and [[Overlord]] [[Stanley the Tool]]
*[[Sizemore Rockwell]] and [[Uhura]]
*Countess [[Artemis]] and Prince [[Forthewin]]
*Dame [[Olive Branch]] and [[Tommy Firebaugh|Atomic "Tommy" Firebaugh]]
*Princess Jillian Zamussels and [[Countess]] [[Marika Neagle]]
*Princess Jillian Zamussels and Viscount [[Bart Lightrail]]
*Princess Jillian Zamussels and [[Three-Edged]] Sword[[citation needed]]

=Speculation=
While [[Nookie]] serves no biological functions, it may be considered to serve social functions like with [[Wikipedia:Bonobo#Sexual_social_behavior|bonobos]].
It has also been speculated that it can influence the traits of a popped unit when an heir or noble unit is involved. Namely, Jillian and Vinny's involvement is speculated to have a bearing on the personality/temperament of the [[FAQ]] [[Heir]] currently in production.

Nookie could be a form of Natural Date-a-mancy. In addition to the aformentioned possible influence on heirs, the nature of the emotions involved with such an act could both build and destroy relationships, not only between individual units, but also sides. A study of who is (or is not) engaging in Nookie with whom and why may give a breakdown of relationships between units and how to use that against the units in question.

==Analysis==
There certainly appear to be real emotional attachments associated with these pairings, as evidenced by the complexities of the relationships between [[Wanda]], [[Jillian]], [[Ansom]], and [[Vinny]]. However, it is unclear how deeply these emotional bonds run, and it may depend on the individual. That said, there have been multiple cases in which "love" and [[nookie]] coincide, and those conflicting emotions, particularly when combined with the ability of [[ruler]], [[warlord]] and [[caster]] units to exercise freewill, may have changed the outcomes of engagements (Wanda not croaking Jillian at the [[Tower of Efdup]], or Jillian's capturing Ansom at the [[Expository Bridge]]).

==Possible Nookie Pairings==
The following are pairings that have been implied, in some cases heavily implied, within the comic or text but for which there has been no direct confirmation. Yes, we know that ev

*Princess Jillian Zamussels and Lady [[Wanda Firebaugh]]
*Count Vinny Doombats and [[Jaclyn]], two other [[Archon]]s
*Archons and unknown clients
*Archons and [[Charlie]]
*Archons and [[Parson Gotti]]
*[[Queen Bea]] and [[Don King]]
*Princess Jillian Zamussels and [[Jack Snipe]]
*Viscount [[Caesar Borgata]] and [[Bunny]]
*[[Sizemore Rockwell]] and [[Maggie]]
*[[Ace]] and [[Cubbins]] [[citation needed]]
*King [[Slately]] and [[Holly Shortcake]]
*Dame Olive Branch and Lady Wanda Firebaugh [[citation needed]]
*Dame Olive Branch and King Loj [[Banhammer]]
[[Category:Erfworld Culture]]
[[Category:Proposed Canon]]
[[Category:Speculation]]

Talk:Nookie

2013-04-08T19:25:17Z

216.185.68.30: Incompatable acts with biological processes...

Jeftichew

2013-03-27T13:26:24Z

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'''First Mention:''' [[First Intermission 43]]
'''First Appearance:''' [[LIAB 57]]

Jeftichew (as spelled by [[Queen Bea]] in [[First Intermission 43]]), or Jefftichew, also going by "Jojo" (as he introduces himself in [[LIAB 62]]), is a [[Carnymancer]] formerly in the service of [[Unaroyal]], now residing in the [[Magic Kingdom]]. Jeftichew is also the caster hiding behind the [[Gobwin Knob]] portal when [[Parson Gotti]] enters the [[Magic Kingdom]],{{erf|2|60}} and who confronts him in the tunnel excavated by [[Sizemore]] under [[Portal Park]].{{erf|2|62}} Note that Jeftichew's [[Eyes|white eye color]] is identical to [[Sylvia]]'s, a former Unaroyal unit.

Before he was released to the [[Magic Kingdom]] by [[Queen Bea]] he pledged to work only for [[royal]] [[sides]].

He was first seen in [[LIAB 57:9]] next to the orange portal in the background when [[Sizemore]] encounters [[Janis]] and [[Marie]], and in [[LIAB 57:13]] he is looking back at the trio as they walk away. His next appearance was in [[LIAB 60]] ([[LIAB 60:4]], [[LIAB 60:7]] and [[LIAB 60:8]]) where he is waiting behind [[Gobwin Knob (city)|Gobwin Knob]]'s [[portal]] for [[Parson Gotti]]'s second entrance to the [[Magic Kingdom]]. In [[LIAB 61]] ([[LIAB 61:12]] and [[LIAB 61:13]]) he is seen chasing Parson through the "underground passage" Sizemore created for Parson.

The earliest turn that he is seen is when he was involved in healing [[Sylvia]] when she, a level 1 stabber, was burnt in an city when they both were [[Unaroyal]] [[unit]]s. {{ref|[[LIAB 86]]}}

Jeftichew appears to be working with someone to netrualize [[Parson Gotti]], if so, the most likely candidate is Charlie.

While a [[caster]], the extent of Jojo's [[Mojo]] is not yet clear, however it isn't trivial.

=Real World References=
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedor_Jeftichew Fedor Jeftichew] was a 19th century circus sideshow performer, "Jojo the Dog-faced Boy," who moved to the United States to tour with P.T. Barnum at 16. Jeftichew the Carnymancer sports similar dress and facial hair (though Jefftichew's seems to be within the normal human range, rather than [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypertrichosis hypertrichosis]).

Jeftichew wears something very like a uniform worn by George Harrison's "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sgt._Pepper's_Lonely_Hearts_Club_Band Sgt. Pepper]" analog, such as seen in the movie Yellow Submarine. His use of the line "Here comes the sun" is a reference to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Here_Comes_the_Sun the song of the same name] on The Beatles' 1969 album Abbey Road. The song was written by Harrison. The nickname "Jojo" may be a simultaneous reference both to the Barnum performer, who was known as Jo-Jo the Dog-Faced Man, and the Beatles song "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_Back Get Back]" about a man named Jojo.

In light of this information, the fact that his name in-comic is spelled "Jefftichew," adding an "f," suggests a typo or alternate spelling.

[[Category:Characters]]
[[Category:Caster]]
[[Category:Proposed Canon]]

Talk:Nookie

2013-03-22T13:45:09Z

216.185.68.30: /* Pairings and Possible Pairings */

Talk:Nookie

2013-03-22T13:44:47Z

216.185.68.30: Remove Imaginary Nookie Pairings

Rhyme-o-mancy

2013-03-22T13:17:45Z

216.185.68.30: /* Abilities */ - fixed spelling error

==Canon==
{{MagicSchool
|Stagemancy
}}

=Proposed Canon=
==Information==
Rhyme-o-mancy is one of the three disciplines of the [[Magic]] class [[Stagemancy]]; it is aligned with the axis of [[Numbers]] and composed of all three [[Magic_Elements|element]]s of [[Life]], [[Motion]] and [[Matter]].{{erf|1|038a|Parson's Klog #2}}

*[[Tramennis]] has stated a relationship between Rhyme-o-mancy and [[music]], which might imply a link to [[dance fighting]].

==Abilities==

* Poetic Incantations can allow Casters to focus on their work, possibly aiding spells. However, the poem must both be clever and rhyme, otherwise the spell they are trying to cast may fail completely.

* Even Warlords can use Rhymes for various purposes, like morale or Dance Fighting, though this would be Natural Rhyme-o-mancy.

==Known Rhyme-o-mancers==
As of yet, no known Rhyme-o-mancer has been introduced.

==Speculation==

It appears that Warlords, Casters and (possibly) even regular troops are capable of using Natural Rhyme-o-mancy, though only a Caster who posesses that discipline may use the Real Deal.

There have been several apparent instances of Rhyme-o-mancy being used in the comic, though how many are Natural Rhyme-o-mancy, Genuine or even not Rhyme-o-mancy at all (but merely have the appearance of Rhyme-o-mancy) are a bit unclear.

* One apparent example of direct Rhyme-o-mancy, a short but complex poem on the subject of [[Transylvito]], [[Don King]], and [[Queen]] [[Jillian]].{{blog|2010|10|book-2-–-text-updates-034}} It describes the side's current situation, and casts the Don's recent actions negatively. But the final lines seem to indicate that the poem is actually a spell: "Perchance he enchants, he incants, he cancels the antsy with a rant in Rhyme-o-mancy." Based on that wording, we may speculate that this spell is intended to allay the fears of the Don's followers. If it "cancels the antsy" it may improve [[loyalty]] and [[morale]], or at least stop negative gossip.

The poem is accompanied by a picture of [[Benjamin]] in the court of [[Transylvito]], standing somewhat apart from the Don and his warlords. Benjamin is most likely a [[Moneymancer]] who has the ability to cast outside his discipline. It should be noted that Benjamin Franklin, whom Erfworld Benjamin physically resembles, was a noted polymath. His Rhyme-o-mancy abilities may partly explain why Transylvitian forces are generally good at [[dance fighting]].

* Another possible example of Rhyme-o-mancy may be the rhyming that troops do during [[dance fighting]]. Dance fighting may be some form of Natural [[Stagemancy]].

* The night before the final battle for [[Gobwin Knob]], when the troops in the courtyard sing a song insulting [[Jetstone]] and [[Transylvito]].{{erf|1|101}} It does not appear to have any direct magical effect; its only apparent effect seems to be angering [[Prince Ansom]] and many other [[RCC|coalition]] members. This may be a form of Natural Rhyme-o-mancy, as non-Casters are taking part.

* When [[Wanda]] attacks [[Ansom]] when he is alone on top of the wall. {{erf|1|119}} She seems to be speaking mostly to herself--a personal call to arms, perhaps--but it may also be a form of intimidation, as the last line finishes just as she attacks Ansom.

* When [[Ace Hardware]] attacks the [[Decrypted]] [[Archons]] above Jetstone with a magic item he created for the purpose of capturing them. {{erf|2|80}} Like Wanda, he seems mostly to be speaking to himself, and since he appears to be fighting alone, he's likely trying to give himself some sort of edge so that he can go up against the numerically superior foe and successfully capture one of them.

* In Inner Peace (Through Superior Firepower), when Wanda attempts to use Rhyme-a-Mancy when uncroaking Tommy Firebaugh. This may have helped to extend the amount of time before Tommy decayed.

* When Olive Branch uses a song as part of the spell to turn both the city of Haffaton and the city of Efbaum into no combat zones.

* If [[dance-fighting]] and [[music]] ARE related, then possible applications could be allowing [[Warlord]]s to be popped/promoted with dance-fighting as an ability, making magic items that grant it, leading a dance fight themselves (possibly for a whole army or side while under a [[Thinkamancy]] link?). They might also be able to "[[Rock]]" as [[Stanley]] called it, though that would probably show up at higher levels of [[caster]].

Due to its position on the [[Numbers]] Axis, and its association with [[Life]], [[Motion]], and [[Matter]] simultaneously, Rhyme-o-mancy could be an attempt to life up the underlying [[Numbers]] of Erfworld in a way that helps the Rhyme-o-mancer effect [[Life]], [[Motion]], and [[Matter]] in Erfworld. This would support how non-Rhyme-o-mancers try to use simple Rhymes (possibly a form of natural Rhyme-o-mancy) to positively affect their actions, through a proper alignment of the [[Numbers]] to create the desired effect on either [[Life]], [[Motion]], or [[Matter]].

[[Category:Magic]][[Category:Proposed Canon]]

Talk:LIAB 105

2013-03-21T19:52:15Z

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I love the strip, but I'm a little fatigued at the creator jossing all of the good characters...[[Special:Contributions/216.185.68.30|216.185.68.30]] 15:52, 21 March 2013 (EDT)

Talk:LIAB 103

2013-03-05T21:53:31Z

216.185.68.30: If I wrote/drew the comic - but I don't...

There's just somethign about me that thinks the sound effect in the third-last panel should have been "OH YEAH!" or something - RE: Kool-aid man [[Special:Contributions/216.185.68.30|216.185.68.30]] 16:53, 5 March 2013 (EST)

Chief Warlord

2013-02-27T18:40:30Z

216.185.68.30: Added ability to disobey orders for the good of the side.

[[Image:Warlord_montage.JPG|350px|right]]
=Proposed Canon=
The Chief Warlord is the military leader of all [[Unit]]s of his [[Ruler]]'s [[Side]], and is subordinate to that Ruler alone. It is a military position and pinnacle of the command structure. There is only one Chief Warlord per Side. Chief Warlords are traditionally responsible for planning their [[sides]] strategy. However, this tradition is breaking down on both sides of the current conflict. [[Ansom]], [[Caesar]], and [[Duncan Scone]] have all recently found that their authority to plan strategy has been limited for various different reasons.

A Chief Warlord:
*commands all [[Unit]]s of his or her [[Side]], excepting only the [[Ruler]] who is the highest authority of the [[Side]] and can overrule the Chief Warlord's orders.
*''may'' end his or her [[Side]]'s [[Turn]]{{Erf|1|007|5|Ansom can end turn}} but can be overruled by their Ruler.{{Erf|1|112|10|Stanley can end turn before Parson is ready for it}}
*confers a Leadership Bonus to all [[Unit]]s in a [[City]] he or she occupies.{{Erf|1|040a}}
*confers a partial (30%) Leadership Bonus to all Units in the same Side{{blog|2009|09|summer-updates-033}}
*confers a halved (50%) Leadership Bonus to all Units in the same Hex.{{Erf|1|113}}
*confers a full (100%) Leadership Bonus to all Units in the same [[stack]].{{Erf|1|113}}
*can [[Claiming a City|claim a city]] for his or her [[Side]].{{Erf|1|078}}
**This ability may not be unique to the Chief Warlord, it may be possible for any Warlord or [[Commander]] to claim [[city]] sites.
*is subject to [[Duty]]. (See below.)
*can form [[Alliance]]s.{{Erf|1|121}}
*can promote [[Garrison Ability|Garrison]] units to field units.
*can accept the turning of an enemy unit. [[IPTSF Text 62]]
*can disobey a direct order of their ruler if their [[Duty]] compels them to act for the good of their side.[[IPTSF Text 63]]

A Chief Warlord cannot:
*set production for [[city|cities]].{{Erf|1|043a|Overlord sets production order for all cities.}}
**It is possible that Chief Warlords can set production but, like most of their decision making abilities, can be overruled by the Ruler.{{blog|2009|10|summer-updates-040}}

==Duty==
[[Duty]], a [[Natural Thinkamancy]], has greatest effect on the Chief Warlord. This spell-like effect causes the Chief Warlord to use his or her initiative in the service of the Ruler. This also prevents the Chief Warlord from withholding information and prevents the Chief Warlord from conspiring against the Ruler, but as with all Thinkamancies, this is not a compulsion, so a Chief Warlord could betray the Ruler with a good enough reason. (See discussion page for arguments.)

==Known Chief Warlords==
Active Chief Warlords:
* [[Parson Gotti]] to [[Gobwin Knob]]
* [[Prince]] [[Tramennis]] to [[Jetstone]]
* [[Caesar Borgata]] to [[Transylvito]]
* [[Duncan Scone]] to [[Faq]]

Former Chief Warlords:
* [[Prince Ansom]] to [[Jetstone]] and later [[Gobwin Knob]] ([[Prisoner]] of [[Faq (side)|Faq]])
* [[Prince]] [[Ossomer]] to [[Jetstone]] ([[Decrypted]], [[Turn]]ed, served [[Jetstone]] as [[Warlord]] and was finally dusted)
* [[Stanley the Tool|Stanley the Plaid]] while in the service of [[King Saline IV]] (Now [[Ruler]] of Gobwin Knob)
* [[Manpower the Temporary]] to [[Gobwin Knob]] ([[Croaking|Croaked]], [[Uncroaked]], destroyed)
* [[K.C.]] to [[Unaroyal]] (Decrypted, Serving Gobwin Knob as Warlord)
* [[Prince]] [[Sammy]] to [[Haggar]] (Croaked)
* [[Princess]] [[Jillian]] to [[Faq]] (Prior to first fall of [[Faq]])
* [[Princess Cruz]] to [[Unaroyal]] ([[Croaking|Croaked]], [[Decrypted]], dusted)
* [[Atomic Firebaugh]] to [[Goodminton]] ([[Croaking|Croaked]], [[Uncroaked]], dusted)
* [[Pom Fritz]] to [[Goodminton]] ([[Croaking|Croaked]], [[Side]] destroyed)

=Speculation=
It is implied that an [[Uncroaked]] unit cannot be a Chief Warlord. When [[Manpower]] is killed at the [[Battle of Warchalking]], [[Stanley]] sends [[Wanda]] to uncroak him, and also orders her to select another unit from the ranks to be promoted into his place. That replacement would have been unnecessary if it were possible for him to remain Chief Warlord in his Uncroaked state, or if another uncroaked warlord could peform the task. It is likely that this is because a Chief Warlord needs to have the upper-level brain functions lost during the uncroaking process. The Chief Warlord needs to give orders, not take them, and uncroaked are capable of only simple tasks, reasoning not included. Either that or the zombification reduces the Leadership bonus given by a Warlord to the point where it would have been better to promote a low level unit to Chief Warlord.

==Possible Previous Chief Warlords==
The following may have been Chief Warlords:
* [[Lady Phat-Singh]] to [[Gobwin Knob]]
* [[Archduke Ferdinand]] to [[Gobwin Knob]]
* [[Sir Leeroy Jenkins]] to [[Gobwin Knob]]
* [[Ensign Toast]] to [[Gobwin Knob]]

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[[Category:Warlord]]
[[Category:Proposed Canon]]
[[Category:Speculation]]

Capital

2013-02-22T15:17:39Z

216.185.68.30: loosing status as capital - it's not the tower - it was the king.

{{city101}}
=Proposed Canon=
A Capital is the primary [[City]] of a [[Side]]. By default, a capital and side have the same name, though these can be changed by the [[ruler]]. However, this is uncommon, even in the case of capitals conquered by other sides.

Certain things can only be done in a side's capital city, and each side may only have one capital.
*[[Promotion|Promoting]] [[unit]]s
**Common troop to [[Warlord]] {{Erf|1|043a}}
**[[Unit]] to [[Heir]]
*[[Popping]] [[royal]]s
*Using the built in portal to the [[Magic Kingdom]].

If a side wishes to switch its capital, its ruler must do so by sitting on their [[throne]]. If a capital city is counquered by another side it loses it's status as capital.

=Speculation=
If a side's capital city falls, but the [[ruler]] or [[heir]] still lives, the side's [[unit]]s becomes [[Barbarian]]. Should a Barbarian Ruler or Heir claim a city, they may re-establish their former side.

If a side's capital city falls, but side controls other capital [[city|cities]], the side might not revert to barbarism. Instead, one of the other capital sites might become the side's new capital.
==Capital Site==
Capital sites are the location of capital [[city|cities]].

A Capital must be located at a capital site. Should a [[Barbarian]] [[Warlord]] capture a capital site, they may [[claiming a City|claim the city]] and become an established [[Side|Capital Side]].

Speculation regarding capital sites comes from the fact that [[Stanley]] flew to [[Faq]] when he intended to create a new side. It's possible that he flew there because it was the nearest abandoned city. Or, he needed the capital site to start a new side.

No special rules have been mentioned for capital sites in Erfworld [[canon]], but it is speculated that capital cities can only be built on capital sites. Alternatively, a [[ruler]] may simply declare any city of theirs to be their capital site.

Should any city be conquered by a [[Barbarian]] [[Warlord]], they might be able to create a [[side]] and declare that city to be their capital. Alternatively, Barbarians may only start a new side when they conquer a capital city or claim an already existing capital site.

Even if a Capital city is destroyed, the capital site remains. It can be [[Claiming a City|claimed]] and used to rebuild the city.{{erf|1|078}}

==Effect of number of sides==
The need for functions to be performed by capitals may place restraints on how big a side can become. Two sides with ten cities may be inherently stronger than one side with 20 cities due to more [[leadership]] or better logistics.

[[Category:Speculation]]
[[Category:Erfworld Mechanics]]
[[Category:Proposed Canon]]

Talk:Judy Gale's World

2013-02-20T14:30:58Z

216.185.68.30: Created page with "==Judy's Size== Wasn't he Dorothy of the Wizard of Oz a young girl, early tweens at most? If that's the case that could account for the difference in her height/size versus Pars..."

==Judy's Size==
Wasn't he Dorothy of the Wizard of Oz a young girl, early tweens at most? If that's the case that could account for the difference in her height/size versus Parson - Parson is an adult and is "fully grown". Might be an interesting side-effect of Erfworld, it halts the normal signs of aging for people from Stupidworld... [[Special:Contributions/216.185.68.30|216.185.68.30]] 09:30, 20 February 2013 (EST)

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=== Issue 1: Meet the Jetstones ===
====Day 1 (75 [[AW]]) ====
=====[[Gobwin Knob]]'s turn=====
<ol>
<li>[[LIAB 1|Page 1]]: [[Stanley]] heads to the Situation Room to oversee the confrontation between [[Ansom]] and [[Ossomer]]; [[Parson]] shows up fashionably late.</li>
<li>[[LIAB 2|Page 2]]: A little trip down the [[Expository Bridge]]</li>
<li>[[LIAB 3|Page 3]]: [[Ansom]] and [[Ossomer]] [[parley]] on [[Expository Bridge]]; [[Tramennis]] is amusing.</li>
<li>[[LIAB 4|Page 4]]: [[Ansom]] and [[Ossomer]] discuss Ansom's tactical skills. The battle begins.</li>
<li>[[LIAB 5|Page 5]]: [[Wanda]] consults with [[Parson]] on how to proceed. Suspecting a trap, he recommends further reconnaissance.</li>
<li>[[LIAB 6|Page 6]]: [[Wanda]] reveals her "grab-and-go" recon plan, as [[Ansom]] chafes under [[Parson|Parson's]] shadow and the [[Archons]] make use of their assets.</li>
<li>[[LIAB 7|Page 7]]: [[Lloyd|Dirty old man]] repeats himself. [[Archons]]' lighting proves to be more [[Shockmancy|shocking]] than their nudity. [[Jetstone]] brothers in a [[Tramennis|tremendously]] [[Ossomer|unawesome]] situation.
<li>[[LIAB 8|Page 8]]: [[Ansom]] is invisible, [[Ossomer]] is angry, [[Tramennis]] plays with bubble gum, and quadrupled arrows are quadrupled.
<li>[[LIAB Text 1|Text Update 1]]: [[Sizemore]] visits the [[Magic Kingdom]] and reflects on recent events.
<li>[[LIAB 9|Page 9]]: [[Wanda]] helps [[Ansom]] subdue [[Ossomer]]. They retreat with their hostage.
<li>[[LIAB Text 2|Text Update 2]]: [[Sizemore]] and [[Janis]] discuss [[Parson]], war, and friendship.
<li>[[LIAB 10|Page 10]]: [[Ansom]] and [[Ossomer]] discuss evil, [[Wanda]] shows off her [[Arkenpliers|toy]]; Ossomer gives her an unpleasant surprise.
<li>[[LIAB Text 3|Text Update 3]]: [[Transylvito]] parties while watching the war, [[Caesar]] very carefully ignores [[Bunny]]; the lot of them sobers up unexpectedly.
<li>[[LIAB 11|Page 11]]: [[Wanda]] suggests cost-cutting measures vis a vis [[Jack]], but [[Stanley]] puts his foot down.
<li>[[LIAB Text 4|Text Update 4]]: [[Vurp]] gets in touch with his inner [[Hobgobwin]].
<li>[[LIAB Text 5|Text Update 5]]: A [[doombat|bat]] and a [[Bunny]] can reach places other [[Unit]]s cannot scratch.
<li>[[LIAB 12|Page 12]]: [[Tramennis]] wants to scratch his nose; [[Jillian]] prepares to scratch an old [[Wanda|itch]].
<li>[[LIAB Text 6|Text Update 6]]: [[Jillian]] skulks across the land while she sulks about her band. [[Titans]] [[disband]]!
<li>[[LIAB 13|Page 13]]: [[Parson]] runs some [[mathamancy|depressing odds]] and [[Faq|frightfully annoying questions]] past [[Wanda]].
<li>[[LIAB Text 7|Text Update 7]]: [[Prince]] [[Sammy]] is ready to [[rock]]; but can he [[Fate|roll]]?
<li>[[LIAB 14|Page 14]]: [[Parson]] obeys his [[Stanley|master]]; [[Ansom]] obeys his [[Wanda|mistress]].
<li>[[LIAB Text 8|Text Update 8]]: [[Lady Sylvia Lazarus]] internally poetizes on being called back from [[Croaking|death]].
<li>[[LIAB 15|Page 15]]: [[Tramennis]] observes as [[Wanda]] and [[Ossomer]] discuss the differences between sticks and carrots.
<li>[[LIAB Text 9|Text Update 9]]: [[King]] [[Slately]] counts his [[Rob_Balder#Outright_Lies|lies]], and argues with [[Retconjuration|truth]].
<li>[[LIAB 16|Page 16]]: [[Jillian]] parlays with [[Wanda]], and they decide (as usual) to do things the Hard Way.
<li>[[LIAB Text 10|Text Update 10]]: The [[Jack|eyemancer]] looks back to when the [[Wanda|naughtymancer]] foreshadowed.
<li>[[LIAB 17|Page 17]]: [[Jillian]] and [[Wanda]] get high on the field of battle; have a hard time expressing their [[WandaJillian|feelings]].
<li>[[LIAB Text 11|Text Update 11]]: [[Duncan Scone]] does some [[Date-a-mancy|matchmaking]] for the upcoming battle, expresses his doubts about [[Jillian]]'s choice of dates.
<li>[[LIAB 18|Page 18]]: [[Jillian]] makes [[Wanda]] an offer that would leave no [[Side]] [[Turning|unturned]].
<li>[[LIAB Text 12|Text Update 12]]: [[Ossomer]] finds a [[Duncan Scone|scone]] a bit tough to chew.
<li>[[LIAB 19|Page 19]]: [[Jillian]] and [[Wanda]] wave their [[Tools]] of [[Fate]] at each other.
<li>[[LIAB Text 13|Text Update 13]]: [[Maggie]] conserves [[juice]] and reports an irregularity in the [[battle]] plan.
<li>[[LIAB 20|Page 20]]: [[Jillian]] brings [[Charlie]]'s [[Arkendish|tool]] into her argument with [[Wanda]], and goes to have a chat with [[Vanna]].
<li>[[LIAB Text 14|Text Update 14]]: [[Slately]] tries to take solace in [[Queen Bea]]'s sacrifice, and is rather forcefully shushed.
<li>[[LIAB 21|Page 21]]: The [[Slately|King]] of [[Jetstone|Radishes]] asks about the bidding; the [[Jillian|Queen]] pulls an ace out of her hat; and the [[Vanna|Turnamancer]] calls [[turn|time]].</ol>

=====[[Royal Crown Coalition]]'s turn=====
<ol start="36"><li>[[LIAB Text 15|Text Update 15]]: [[Tramennis]] and [[Adam Antium]] discuss the purpose of [[Music]] and never ending [[Battle|War]] as they wait for the end.
<li>[[LIAB 22|Page 22]]: The [[turn]]'s end turns heads as [[Vanna]] prepares another turn when [[Jillian]] is finally sure who she came here for.
<li>[[LIAB Text 16|Text Update 16]]: [[Don King]] makes it clear that this is his palace, and not [[Caesar]]'s.</li>
<li>[[LIAB 23|Page 23]]: [[Jillian|Jill]] wears the previously broken crown and offers [[Jack]] a lift [[Faq|home]].
<li>[[LIAB Text 17|Text Update 17]]: [[Charlie]] tries to understand [[Jillian]], but has to address a developing situation.</li>
<li>[[LIAB 24|Page 24]]: When [[Tramennis]] met [[Jillian]]; what happens when you [[croak]] the [[croakamancer]]?
<li>[[LIAB Text 18|Text Update 18]]: [[Charlie]]'s [[Archons]] spy on [[Sammy]]; [[Sammy]] shoots [[Charlie]]'s [[Archons]]; [[Charlie]] makes [[Sammy]] think of home.
<li>[[LIAB 25|Page 25]]: [[Sammy]] reports for — ahem — [[duty]].
<li>[[LIAB Text 19|Text Update 19]]: On [[Gobwin Knob]]'s [[turn]], Ansom rallies the troops; on [[Royal Crown Coalition|the Coalition]]'s turn, he prepares to meet [[Jillian]].
<li>[[LIAB 26|Page 26]]: [[Sammy]] crosses that [[Expository Bridge|bridge]] when he comes to it, and [[Tramennis]] discovers how much [[Jillian]] does not know.
<li>[[LIAB Text 20|Text Update 20]]: [[Wanda]] lets her hair down and calls for a team huddle with [[Ossomer|a side of beef]], [[Jack Snipe|a fool]], and [[Lady Sylvia Lazarus|a burning woman]].
<li>[[LIAB 27|Page 27]]: [[Sammy]] moves in for the [[Ansom|kill]], but [[Jillian]] proves to be a fatal distraction.
<li>[[LIAB 28|Page 28]]: [[Parson]] and [[Stanley]], and [[Jillian]] and [[Ansom]], discuss [[Ansom|Ansom's]] [[fate]].
<li>[[LIAB 29|Page 29]]: When [[Vanna]] has trouble [[turning]] [[Ansom]]'s head, [[Jillian]] smothers him with love.
<li>[[LIAB Text 21|Text Update 21]]: [[Jack|The fool]] chuckles at the stone tied around the ankles of [[royal|royalty]].
<li>[[LIAB 30|Page 30]]: [[Jillian]] prepares to steam roll a path [[Faq|home]] and arrange her [[Ansom|lover]]'s [[turning|return]] .
<li>[[LIAB Text 22|Text Update 22]]: The [[Ford|Ford ranger]] pickups responsibility to at least scratch the [[Jetstone|rocks]] before being crushed by them.
<li>[[LIAB 31|Page 31]]: [[Tramennis|Two]] [[Jillian|Queens]] discuss who is a [[Toolism|toolist]], whilst [[Ansom|others]] [[Adam_Antium|disapprove]].
<li>[[LIAB Text 23|Text Update 23]]: [[Tramennis]] leads a [[golem|teddy bear]]'s picnic to breakfast on [[Ford|salad]].
<li>[[LIAB 32|Page 32]]: [[Ford]] gets crushed, [[Maggie]] requests and gets permission to
make a [[Suggestion Spell|suggestion]], and [[Parson]] gets back his job as [[chief warlord]].
<li>[[LIAB Text 24|Text Update 24]]: [[Wrigley]]'s life achieves a glorious climax as his spear finally enters some flesh.
<li>[[LIAB 33|Page 33]]: The [[Parson|master mind]] and [[Maggie|mind controller]] exchange a few angry thoughts on the subject of ethics - the latter wins and the former has an ugly thought.</ol>

=== Issue 2: It's Raining Men ===
====Day 1 (75 [[AW]]) continued ====
=====[[Royal Crown Coalition]]'s turn continued =====
<ol start="58"><li>[[LIAB 33a|Page 33a]]: [[Parson Gotti|Parson]] reviews what he has learned about just what options he has while off-turn.</li>
<li>[[LIAB 33b|Page 33b]]: [[Parson Gotti|Parson]]'s notes continue with details of the Garrison/Airspace zone boundary.</li>
<li>[[LIAB 34|Page 34]]: [[Don King|The Don]] pops a recap into [[Caesar Borgata|Caesar]].</li>
<li>[[LIAB Text 25|Text Update 25]]: [[Tramennis]] weighs up the [[banana|weight]] flying above him as well as that upon his [[chief_warlord|shoulders]].</li>
<li>[[LIAB 35|Page 35]]: The [[Don King|King of Bats]] counsels reason, while the [[King Slately|King of Radishes]] contemplates starvation.</li>
<li>[[LIAB Text 26|Text Update 26]]: [[Zhopa]] makes a ham sandwich, whilst [[Stanley]] makes a meal of it.</li>
<li>[[LIAB 36|Page 36]]: The [[Parson Gotti|pizza-stained]] [[warlord]] plans a food fight.</li>
<li>[[LIAB Text 27|Text Update 27]]: [[Stanley]] regales [[Zhopa]] with, and answers the frequently asked questions about, the fall of [[Faq]].</li>
<li>[[LIAB 37|Page 37]]: [[Slately]] stands, then [[Tramennis]] stands up to him when he takes a stand on understanding an [[Charlie|outstanding communicator]] and an [[Ossomer|upstanding warlord]].</li>
<li>[[LIAB Text 28|Text Update 28]]: [[Jillian]] pushes around the goo of her feelings, whilst [[Ansom]] is pushed around by the goo of a [[megalogwiff]].</li>
<li>[[LIAB 38|Page 38]]: Despite [[Jillian]] and [[Tramennis]]' best efforts, it is [[Parson]] who makes the call.</li>
<li>[[LIAB Text 29|Text Update 29]]: Two [[Toolism|Toolists]] compare their encounters with a [[Arkenpliers|Tool]] of the [[Titans]] as well as with a [[Parson Gotti|Tool]] of [[Fate]].</li>
<li>[[LIAB 39|Page 39]]: [[Jillian]] is unimpressed with [[Charlie]]'s [[Luckamancy Charms|lucky charms]].</li>
<li>[[LIAB Text 30|Text Update 30]]: With [[Cubbins]]' help, [[Ace Hardware]]'s [[inventory|stores]] becomes a helpful place.</li>
<li>[[LIAB 40|Page 40]]: [[Parson]] tells [[Maggie]] he takes his [[unit|game pieces]] seriously, and then goes to play dress-up; [[Tramennis]] gets a taste of the [[Charlie|rainbow]].</li>
<li>[[LIAB Text 31|Text Update 31]]: [[Uhura]] gets [[nookie|dirty]] with a [[Sizemore Rockwell|dirtamancer]], and we learn that bad news comes in Fibbonacci sequences.</li>
<li>[[LIAB 41|Page 41]]: In a switch, [[Charlie]] tries to hire [[Tramennis]] with the promise of [[Eyemancy|dirt]] on a [[Parson Gotti|potato]].</li>
<li>[[LIAB 42|Page 42]]: [[Parson]] plans a [[Portal|trip]] after his shameless self-[[promotion]].</li>
<li>[[LIAB Text 32|Text Update 32]]: [[Duncan Scone|Duncan]] enjoys an [[megalogwiff|unstoppable]] [[mount]]. But he enjoys stopping the [[Jillian|unstoppable]] [[warlord]] more.</li>
<li>[[LIAB 43|Page 43]]: The [[Jetstone|radishes]] consider a [[parley]] with a [[Parson Gotti|potato]].</li>
<li>[[LIAB 44|Page 44]]: [[Tramennis]] prepares for a [[parley|conference]]; [[Parson]] prepares for a [[combat]].</li>
<li>[[LIAB Text 33|Text Update 33]]: A [[King Slately|short father]] takes a long walk with his [[Tramennis|last son]].</li>
<li>[[LIAB 45|Page 45]]: [[Parson]] orders [[Wanda]] to evacuate some [[Airspace|air]], and [[Sizemore]] to [[Tunnel|evacuate]] some [[Magic_Kingdom#Portal_Park|ground]].</li>
<li>[[LIAB Text 34|Text Update 34]]: [[Benjamin]] is not averse to be an observant servant in [[Rhyme-o-mancy|verse]].</li>
<li>[[LIAB 46|Page 46]]: [[Parson]] pits [[Sizemore Rockwell|caster]] against [[Magic Kingdom|caster]] and [[Ossomer|brother]] against [[Tramennis|brother]].</li>
<li>[[LIAB Text 35|Text Update 35]]: How is a [[Jack Snipe|foolamancer]] like a [[Wanda Firebaugh|croakamancer]]? They both choose to be first in war rather than third (or second) in love.</li>
<li>[[LIAB 47|Page 47]]: [[Spacerock]]'s [[Tramennis|prince]] poops on [[Ossomer]]'s new [[raiment|suit]] and [[dwagons]] poop on [[Spacerock]].</li>
<li>[[LIAB Text 36|Text Update 36]]: [[Crap]] happens... to fall on [[Duke Adam Antium]] and his troops.</li>
<li>[[LIAB 48|Page 48]]: [[Tramennis]] mistakes tactics for tantrums.</li>
<li>[[LIAB 48a|Page 48a]]: [[Parson Gotti|Parson]]'s [[eyebook]] explores [[ration|harvest]] exploits.</li>
<li>[[LIAB 49|Page 49]]: [[Dwagons]] fall down.</li>
<li>[[LIAB Text 37|Text Update 37]]: A [[Marie Lavraie|predictamancer]] prophesies [[Parson Gotti|Parson]]'s pending [[Magic_Kingdom#Portal_Park|Portal Park]] presence.</li>
<li>[[LIAB 50|Page 50]]: [[Jack]] acts the [[foolamancy|fool]] and the [[healomancy|Cure]].</li>
<li>[[LIAB Text 38|Text Update 38]]: [[Maggie]] hopes a [[Great Minds that Think Alike|great mind]] plucks her [[G-String]].</li>
<li>[[LIAB 51|Page 51]]: [[Jack]] and [[Wanda]] discuss the weather; [[Adam Antium|Adam]] drowns in it.</li>
<li>[[LIAB Text 39|Text Update 39]]: [[Sylvia]] commands [[Fud]] and [[Captain Archer|Archer]]. How it turned out was this: Awesome.</li>
<li>[[LIAB 52|Page 52]]: A [[Tramennis|Prince]] plans to port his [[King Slately|pater]]; [[Parson]] plans to pass a [[portal]].</li>
<li>[[LIAB Text 40|Text Update 40]]: [[Isaac]] discovers the gravity of the situation.</li>
<li>[[LIAB 53|Page 53]]: [[Tramennis|Jetstone's Prince]] reassesses his strategy; [[King Slately|Jetsone's King]] reassesses his princes.</li>
<li>[[LIAB Text 41|Text Update 41]]: In the huddle, [[Ace Hardware]] tries to change the play on the field, but the others decide to pass.</li>
<li>[[LIAB 54|Page 54]]: [[Wanda]] wants to go around, [[Jack]] and [[Sylvia]] want to blow things up, and [[Caesar Borgata|Caesar]] wants better intel.</li>
<li>[[LIAB Text 42|Text Update 42]]: [[Slately]] rediscovers honor. "[[Slately|You]] come to me and you say, '[[Don King]], give me justice.' But you didn’t ask with respect; you didn’t offer friendship — you didn’t even call me 'godfather.'"</li>
<li>[[LIAB 55|Page 55]]: [[Wanda]] has no trouble securing a portal for [[Parson]]; [[Don King]] has trouble securing a loan for [[Slately]].</li>
<li>[[LIAB Text 43|Text Update 43]]: At [[Progrock]], [[Jillian]] makes rocks, but [[Ansom]] seeks progress.</li>
<li>[[LIAB 56|Page 56]]: [[Parson Gotti|Hamster]] and [[Caesar Borgata|Caesar]] plan for their respective [[Side]]s' futures while contemplating that their own futures may be brief.</li>
<li>[[LIAB Text 44|Text Update 44]]: Alone with his thoughts, [[Stanley]] realizes he is lonelier than most.</li>
<li>[[LIAB 57|Page 57]]: Met by [[Janis]] and [[Marie Lavraie]], [[Sizemore Rockwell|Sizemore]] takes the high road while making a low one.</li>
<li>[[LIAB Text 45|Text Update 45]]: [[Marie Lavraie|Marie]] and [[Janis]] go digging for dirt, but [[Sizemore Rockwell|Sizemore]] has [[Dirtamancy|dug]] himself as deep as he'll go. Can you dig it?</li>
<li>[[LIAB 58|Page 58]]: [[Isaac]] plans to drop in on [[Parson Gotti|Parson]] who plans to drop in on [[Tramennis]] who plans to drop in on [[Slately]].</li>
<li>[[LIAB Text 46|Text Update 46]]: [[Adam Antium]] and [[Lacrosse]] hope to [[score]] with [[Wanda Firebaugh|Wanda]].</li>
<li>[[LIAB 59|Page 59]]: [[Caesar Borgata|Caesar's]] full house beats a pair of [[king]]s.</li>
<li>[[LIAB Text 47|Text Update 47]]: [[Ossomer]] sees a [[signamancy|Sign]] in his [[Slately|father's]] eyes, and prepares for the ultimate [[Duty]].</li>
<li>[[LIAB 60|Page 60]]: [[Tramennis]] is heard, [[Parson]] is seen, and both of them fall.</li>
<li>[[LIAB Text 48|Text Update 48]]: [[Slately]] needs a plan. He loses a [[Don King|King]] but finds an unexpected [[Ace Hardware|Ace]].</li>
<li>[[LIAB 61|Page 61]]: [[Parson]] and [[Jeftichew]] make mad dashes, as [[Janis]] and [[Marie Lavraie|Marie]] connect mad dots.</li>
<li>[[LIAB Text 49|Text Update 49]]: After chewing on his sandwich, [[Stanley the Tool|Stanley]] promotes [[Zhopa]] to lackey and takes him to chew out [[Maggie]].</li>
<li>[[LIAB 62|Page 62]]: [[Jeftichew]] offers [[Parson]] free will.</li>
<li>[[LIAB Text 50|Text Update 50]]: [[Artemis]] goes hunting for [[Lady Sylvia Lazarus|scarlet]] and [[Dwagon|purple]] prey.</li>
<li>[[LIAB 63|Page 63]]: [[Jeftichew]] asks [[Parson]] if he wants to get [[Parson's World|stupid]].</li>
<li>[[LIAB Text 51|Text Update 51]]: A stone falls, [[Artemis]]' arrow falls, [[Ossomer]]'s tower falls, and [[Lady Sylvia Lazarus|Sylvia]] smiles.</li>
<li>[[LIAB 64|Page 64]]: [[Sizemore Rockwell|Sizemore]], [[Janis]], and [[Marie Lavraie|Marie]] crash the party, but [[Jeftichew]] still gives a [[scroll|gift]].</li>
<li>[[LIAB Text 52|Text Update 52]]: It's [[Knight|knights]] vs. [[Dwagon|dwagons]], [[Captain Archer|archer]] vs. [[Artemis|archer]], and [[Lady Sylvia Lazarus|Lazarus]] vs. [[Fate|Oblivion]].</li>
<li>[[LIAB 65|Page 65]]: [[Sizemore Rockwell|Sizemore]] makes introductions. [[Parson Gotti|Parson]] impresses [[Janis]], but not [[Marie Lavraie|Marie]].</li>
<li>[[LIAB 66|Page 66]]: [[Parson Gotti|Parson]] chooses to jet for [[Jetstone]]. The [[Thinkamancers]] order a layover at their [[Temple of the Thinkamancers|temple]].</li>
<li>[[LIAB 67|Page 67]]: Some [[mathamancy|math facts]]: [[Parson Gotti|P]]<[[Great Minds that Think Alike|GMTA]]; P+[[Sizemore Rockwell|S]]+[[Marie Lavraie|M]]+[[Janis Atlantis|J]]>GMTA. But can you count on Janis?</li>
<li>[[LIAB 68|Page 68]]: The [[Great Minds that Think Alike]] are stumped by the [[Gobwin Knob (Side)|followers]] of [[Parson Gotti|one who thinks like no other]].</li>
<li>[[LIAB 69|Page 69]]: While [[Slately]] gets a change of [[raiment|clothes]], does [[Ossomer]] have a change of heart?.</li>
<li>[[LIAB Text 53|Text Update 53]]: ♪So no one told [[Archon|them]] [[Decrypted|life]] was going to be this way...♪</li>
<li>[[LIAB 70|Page 70]]: A [[Adam Antium|Captain]] must steer between [[Wanda Firebaugh|fatalism]] and [[Jack Snipe|foolishness]].</li>
<li>[[LIAB 71|Page 71]]: [[Parson Gotti|Parson]] learns that the [[Great Minds that Think Alike|thinkamancers]] don't think that the [[Predictamancy|predictamancers]] will act unpredictably.</li>
<li>[[LIAB 72|Page 72]]: A [[Predictamancer]], [[Parson Gotti|Parson]], [[Jack Snipe|Jack]], [[Lady Sylvia Lazarus|Sylvia]], and [[Stanley]] ask "What's going on here?"</li>
<li>[[LIAB 73|Page 73]]: One [[Gobwin Knob|side]] comes together in the [[Magic Kingdom]] and another [[Jetstone|kingdom]] collapses along one side.
<li>[[LIAB Text 54|Text Update 54]]: [[Hat Magic|Hats]] [[Croaking|off]] to [[Cubbins]] as an [[Ace Hardware|ace]] [[Flying unit|takes to the sky]].</li>
<li>[[LIAB 74|Page 74]]: [[Cubbins]] throws his [[Hat Magic|hat]] in the [[City Zones#Airspace|air]]. The issue ends; we graduate to issue 3!</li>
</ol>

=== Issue 3: Lots of Sects, and Violence ===
====Day 1 (75 [[AW]]) ====
=====[[Royal Crown Coalition]]'s turn continued =====
<ol start="132">
<li>[[LIAB Text 55|Text Update 55]]: War goes by and comes to [[Mary Sagittari]].</li>
<li>[[LIAB 75|Page 75]]: [[Ossomer]] back in command, [[Archon]]s select targets.</li>
<li>[[LIAB 76|Page 76]]: [[Ossomer]] readies for battle, once more for [[Jetstone]].</li>
<li>[[LIAB 77|Page 77]]: Pew! Pew! is not good, not good.</li>
<li>[[LIAB 78|Page 78]]: [[Ossomer]] goes [[croaking|home]].</li>
<li>[[LIAB 79|Page 79]]: [[Slately]] finds himself [[Dittomancy|twice]] as good.</li>
<li>[[LIAB 80|Page 80]]: [[Ace Hardware]] gets himself an [[Archon]].</li>
<li>[[LIAB 81|Page 81]]: [[Maggie]] out of juice, [[Wanda]] out of comfort zone, [[Parson]] out of options, and [[Stanley]] is out of f-words.</li>
<li>[[LIAB 82|Page 82]]: [[Maggie]] and a bunch of [[carnymancy|Carnymancers]] move into the fray, as [[Parson]] moves to leave it.</li>
<li>[[LIAB Text 56|Text Update 56]]: Without her stack, [[Phoebe]] makes a stack of her own.</li>
<li>[[LIAB 83|Page 83]]: In [[Jetstone]], [[Slately]] reveals the [[decrypted]] [[archons]]. In the [[Magic Kingdom]], [[Isaac]] reveals the deceptive [[Charlie]].</li>
<li>[[LIAB 84|Page 84]]: [[Isaac]] and [[Parson]] have a meeting of the minds; [[Tramennis]] criticizes [[Slately]]'s make-up.</li>
<li>[[LIAB 85|Page 85]]: Underground, [[Maggie]] run run runs to catch up with [[Isaac]] and [[Parson]], and ends up running off at the mouth.</li>
<li>[[LIAB 86|Page 86]]: [[Sylvia]] tells [[Captain Archer|Archer]] about [[Jeftichew]]'s future trading.</li>
<li>[[LIAB 87|Page 87]]: [[Don King|Don]] knows about [[Slately]], the Casters knew about [[Parson]], Parson doesn't know what to do and [[Maggie]] doesn't know what to say.</li>
<li>[[LIAB 88|Page 88]]: [[Ace]] finds out [[Cubbins]] is alive, and [[Slately]] finds out he isn't.</li>
<li>[[LIAB 89|Page 89]]: [[Charlie]] says the k-word, and it's not king.</li>
<li>[[LIAB 90|Page 90]]: Everybody wants to act, but only [[Jeftichew]] seems to have a plan.</li>
<li>[[LIAB 91|Page 91]]: A [[Slately|clone]] crowns [[Tramennis]].</li>
<li>[[LIAB 92|Page 92]]: [[Parson]] moves at the speed of [[Great Minds That Think Alike|thought]], which turns out to be slower that it takes [[Sylvia]] to decide to burn [[Jetstone]] to the ground.</li>
<li>[[LIAB Text 57|Text Update 57]]: [[Slately]] and [[Tramennis]] share a first, then a [[Battle Bear]] poses as a Mandrill.</li>
<li>[[LIAB 93|Page 93]]: [[Ace Hardware|Ace]] takes a stand and gets to play with his [[Golem#Cloth_Golems|dolls]].</li>
<li>[[LIAB 94|Page 94]]: [[Predictamancy|Spoiler]]s abound as a storm of [[magic]] gathers around the [[portal]].</li>
<li>[[LIAB 95|Page 95]]: [[Jetstone]] both charges and retreats as fires spring up and pessimism is unleashed.</li>
<li>[[LIAB 96|Page 96]]: [[Sylvia]] and [[Jeftichew]] each fan their respective flames.</li>
<li>[[LIAB 97|Page 97]]: "Makes [[Parson|me]] want to roll for traps."</li>
<li>[[LIAB 98|Page 98]]: "Pretty."</li>
<li>[[LIAB 99|Page 99]]: "Do [[Parson|you]] smell smoke?"</li>
<li>[[LIAB 99a|Klog #5]]: Fire rules!</li>
<li>[[LIAB 100|Page 100]]: Alas poor Portal! We knew it well!</li>
<li>[[LIAB 101|Page 101]]: [[Spacerock]]'s heating is improved.</li>
<li>[[LIAB 102|Page 102]]: [[Parson]] enters the throne room.</li>
<li>[[LIAB 103|Page 103]]: [[Parson Gotti]] becomes a man of achievement. The [[Slately|royal]] gets flushed.</li>
</ol>

[[Category: Comic]]

Talk:Charlie

2013-02-11T12:58:12Z

216.185.68.30: /* Charlie and Earth */

=Rule 9=
If they swing, make 'em miss. If they flee, make 'em run somewhere worse. But if they just stand there, pull the rug out from under 'em.
Seems influenced by Mao Zedong's famous quote.

When the enemy advances, we retreat!
When the enemy halts, we harass!
When the enemy seeks to avoid battle, we attack!
When the enemy retreats, we pursue!

=Can tap thinkograms?=
When Tramennis and Jillian try to call Charlie during the Battle of Jetstone, they are told that charlie is "on another call at the moment" and we cut to Parson talking over a thinkogram. http://www.erfworld.com/page/49/ Charlie does not answer the other calls until after Parson's thinkogram finishes. Shortly after Parson explains his plan to solve the debacle at the battle of Jetstone, Charlie tells Jillian that Gobwin Knob "can" do something. http://www.erfworld.com/page/47/ This implies that either he has thought of the same idea as Parson or that he tapped into Parson explaining the battleplan.
=Compromised?=

Charlie is described here as concerned that Parson has compromised his security. Could another interpretation of the data be that the decrypting of so many archons is the cause for concern, and not Parson at all?

=Charlie and Earth=
Any suggestion that Charlie is somehow from Earth is entirely speculative and without any foundation whatsoever. He does ''not'' metagame or do anything a genius local couldn't. He is also in possession of perhaps the single strongest communication capacity in Erfworld and may have unmatched intelligence. 
 
AND if the Charlie's Angel's anaglogy is maintained, we will never learn one way or the other. He is an enigma, like Vaarsuvius' sex, and the truth will never be revealed. 
--[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 16:35, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
<blockquote>"Entirely speculative" seems like it might not be terribly inappropriate for the "speculation" section, but that's just me going all crazy with my reading comprehension.

I don't want to start an edit war over one speculative line in a webcomic wiki. But claiming that it's "without any foundation whatsoever" strikes me as arbitrary and incorrect. After all:<ul><li>As mentioned in the article, [http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F088.jpg other residents find Charlie particularly inscrutable]. It's not a tremendous stretch to see Maggie telling Parson that he may be a match for Charlie's strangeness as foreshadowing.<li>[http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F089.jpg The "power of naming" exchange] shows a potential cognizance of unErf-ly magical rules that is more detached than anything we see from anyone except Parson.<li>[http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F090.jpg Charlie has a definite and very direct interest in Parson], not limited to his mathamancy artifact. This may simply be a recognition of Parson as a valuable (and soon-to-be-available) commodity, but could be more significant.<li>Also mentioned in the article, [http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F100.jpg Charlie is the only resident not confused by Parson's IM abbreviations] (though emoticons are apparently universal). Further, we see Charlie being extremely cavalier about the loss of a unit that he acknowledges having a bond with. This might just be his essentially mercenary nature. Or it might be indicative of a person who doesn't see Erf as "real".<li>[http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F105.jpg This scene] supports the "Charlie just wants Parson's salable skills" argument, I admit. But it also shows Charlie looking at the entire situation as little more than entertainment and challenge.<li>As above, [http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F130.jpg but even more explicitly viewing the battle as a "game"], something no other native Erfer does.<li>[http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F136.jpg Charlie reacts to the volcano uncroaking as an unexpected exploit], not as a violation of the natural order of things.</ul>Nothing conclusive, I agree. Charlie could simply be a sociopathic native tactical genius-- indeed, it's how he's seen and spoken of by other Erflings. But seeing him as a potential Earthly gameplayer is consistent with the mechanics we've been introduced to with Parson's own presence, so it's not like I'm speculating that Charlie is really a steam-powered robo-insectile hive mind or Parson's Sith Lord father or something.

To wander even further into abstract literary criticism, Charlie's introduction and role in the first act is a classic presentation of the antagonist for the larger arc; an enigmatic but not immediately threatening figure who is very similar to the protagonist, but differs in ways essential to the overarching moral theme. In particular, he's a "field marshal" who shares Parson's analytical nature and is even more experienced and established than the new young upstart, but seems to lack the empathy Parson has developed for his troops. This is pure Joseph Campbell.

I don't believe Varsuvius's gender is a good comparison; that's a running gag whose answer is not relevant to the plot. If my speculations are even close, Charlie's origin will be very relevant and necessarily revealed. If he remains completely mysterious then it's safe to assume that I am completely wrong.

Could I be wrong? Absolutely. Honestly, I'd be surprised if I was right in any significant detail. But it is honest and (eventually) falsifiable '''speculation''', based on a not-on-crack reading of the source material, and I don't appreciate it being deleted just because you don't agree with my reading.--[[Special:Contributions/75.72.164.171|75.72.164.171]] 13:29, 1 June 2009 (UTC)</blockquote>

:I think with the new IPSFP makes this graduate to full speculation. In the Wizard of Oz, both Dorothy and the Wizard were residents of "the real world" it's certainly possible that Judy and Charlie were both residents of Stupidworld. It seems they both share Parson's unique perspective and vernacular to some extent.[[Special:Contributions/216.185.68.30|216.185.68.30]] 07:58, 11 February 2013 (EST)

Run it up a flag pole and see who salutes. I am [[User:Xewleer|Xewleer]] 01:23, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

What if he IS the Arkendish? Woaaaaaaaah. I am [[User:Erisian|Erisian]] 01:23, 2 June 2009

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"Stanley's surprise abut Wanda being attuned to the Arkenpliers not being a Warlord suggests that previously only Warlords have attuned to the Arkentools or that it was unusual for other units to do."

Well we already know that the only two people to attune were Overlords - Charlie and Stanley. Even without Charlie, Stanley would probably assume that only he, or at least someone like him, or one of his hand-picked "dashing and handsome" warlords could do it. But I don't think it needs to be speculated on. [[User:Commander I. Heartly Noah|Commander I. Heartly Noah]] June 12 2009 15:05 (UTC)

*"the ''only'' two people to attune"? More like the only ones we have already seen. The fourth Arkentool might be already attuned to someone, and the known Arkentools don't need to be attuned to someone for the first time. Surely it happened before in the history of Erfworld.

**So? We don't know that. This is something that will have to wait for a big reveal.[[User:Xewleer|Xewleer]] 22:40, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

***This would seem to imply that Charlie was a warlord (rather than a Thinkamancer) before he became an overlord. He may have also gone the Chief Warlord -> Heir -> Ruler route. Alternatively, maybe Charlie popped as a barbarian warlord. He doesn't seem to have a capital city, it is just a hidden fortress in the mountains. --[[User:Raphfrk|Raphfrk]] 00:00, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

* Of course, Stanley wasn't an overlord when he attuned - he was a Warlord and possibly heir designate at the time.

"It is not known whether there exist any Arkentoys."

Or Arkensandwiches, Arkenbuses, or Arkenbeds. Seriously, this makes no sense and serves no purpose. It's not even funny. I'll admit, though, that I just really don't like it, so if anyone other than the guy who wrote it thinks it belongs on the page, go ahead and put it back. [[User:Commander I. Heartly Noah|Commander I. Heartly Noah]] June 12 2009 15:05 (UTC)

OOOPS. I did not intend to alter Canon. Apologies. Already undid that. --[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 17:30, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

== Arkenshoes & other tools ==
Since these shoes resemble the Ruby Slippers from the Wizard of Oz, and THOSE shoes had the power to send Dorothy back home from Oz. What's to say that the Arkentools, alone or together, couldn't send Parson (and all of the other possibly non Erfworlders) back home to Stupidworld?[[Special:Contributions/216.185.68.30|216.185.68.30]]

== Arkenhammer Associated Discipline ==
Removed:
:Both the [[Arkendish]] and the [[Arkenpliers]] share an additional link: their respective magic class of [[Eyemancy]] and [[Naughtymancy]] both include [[Motion]] as an element, along with two others: [[Stagemancy]] and [[Spookism]]. If the Arkenhammer uses [[Carnymancy]] as is speculated, than the fourth Arkentool could be implied to be from [[Dollamancy]]. {{erf|1|038}}
Link is obviously bad. 038 is Wanda and Jillian in the torture room. So, who wants to explain this Speculative link to Carnymancy to me? Is it just, "We want them all to associate to Fate, so we picked this at random"? If so, explain why I should be ignoring the blatantly obvious Shockmancy Stanley uses on Caesar, please.
Spec is cool and all, but let's not place Spec over clear and obvious evidence. It's not what you want it to be, just because the alternative is inelegant. The link to Shockmancy is clear and obvious to me. It's powerful and should not exist in a Warlord, so it has to come from somewhere. We're looking for something as powerful as Charlie's Thinkamancy and Wanda's Croakamancy. Pigeons and Walnuts ain't gonna match it. And this is Stanley we're talking about. If he had something as Powerful as either of those, he could never hold back using it anytime it was possible, despite its appropriateness. He's got Self-esteem issues and has to constantly toot his own horn and show off. Further, the association of Shockmancy with Dwagons is clear: blast and brreath weapons are eerily identical. Archons can use Thinkamancy.Decrypted are advanced Uncroaked. Another parallel. So, let's see something solid if you're going to ignore power... --[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 01:34, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
:Ehh, I dunno, man. (The idea, as I understand it, is that the two concrete tools are motion-magic, so the others might be as well) It's a leap, but as far as believing what you want, you're not immune. I'll give you that the Arkendish = Thinkamancy and the Arkenpliers = Croakamancy, so it would be nice to assume the other tools also center around one particular type of magic, but to make that assumption is the same as assuming that they're centered around different Motion magics. It's less specific and therefore more likely, but it's the same leap. Moreover, because you believe this, you let it steer your opinion of the Arkenhammer rather than accepting all the evidence and determining that you can't make a conclusion from it yet. You're throwing out evidence as trivial, when, panel for panel, it's the best evidence you've got.

:For a moment, don't cling to the belief that each Arkentool must be associated with a particular magic. Certainly, the Arkenpliers were associated with Croakamancy before and after attunement. Anti-Croakamancy and then SuperCroakamancy, but nonetheless. The Arkendish definitely has a connection to Thinkamancy (at least, in the hands of Charlie, of whom we know probably the least of any major character). The Archons can perform Thinkamancy... and Foolamancy. And probably Shockmancy or Deletionism, or something else, at minimum. At least 3 different magics. And Thinkamancy isn't even clearly the major one, if there is one. As far as the Arkenhammer - Okay, the lightning most likely is Shockmancy, that would be my guess anyway - but it's still a guess. Yeah, it looks like lightning, but what if the Archons have Shockmancy that doesn't look like lightning? Are looks enough to be sure? And yeah, it was cool, and powerful, but the hammer also tames dwagons. And transmogrifies nuts. Possibly allows flight. And who knows what else? That could be 4 different kinds of magic, plus combat. Now, maybe if a caster had attuned to it, it would have gone along with that caster's forte. Who knows? [[User:Commander I. Heartly Noah|Commander I. Heartly Noah]] July 1, 2009, 05:02 (UTC)

While the 'pliers arguably have no overt relationship to death or croakamancy, the 'dish could certainly be said to have a close relationship to thinkamancy, given that thinkamancy covers communications in the form of thinkagrams. This is why I edited the comment about how the appearance of the dish has no connection to its "association by effect" or whatever. [[User:DevilDan|DevilDan]]

I'm inclined to nuke the comment about "uniformity" entirely. We don't know anything specific about the Arkendish, beyond the statement "it provides unmatched Thinkamancy". We don't know exactly what Thinkamancy it provides, so how can we know there is any uniformity? And the Pliers have so far only done a single thing in Wanda's hands -- something that is the complete polar opposite of what they did in Ansom's hands, which isn't very uniform. --[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 16:17, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I think I'd agree. On the other, hand decrypting wouldn't work on uncroaked or on the living, which are the units on which Ansom probably used the pliers. I do have a more serious concern. Why are there "associated discipline theory" sections in both the arkenhammer and arkentool pages? I think a single section would be best, located in the arkenhammer page. We can insert a link to it in the arkentool page. [[User:DevilDan|DevilDan]]
: I second the motion to reorganize this discussion to a single page. At least to me, a ''general'' discussion of whether the Arkentools have associated magical disciplines (or, if so, whether they are all [[fate]]-aligned or not) makes the most sense on this page, linking to the longer, protracted discussion of the Arkenhammer's possible disciplines as a subsection of that page. [[User:Menlo Marseilles|Menlo Marseilles]] 18:35, 29 July 2009 (UTC) 
:Dan, I'll leave that to you. Last time I edited this subject, it turned back into the unruly mess its in now. Maybe if someone else did it, it would quiet down? Wishful thinking, I know. --[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 18:39, 29 July 2009 (UTC) 
::Topics merged, link provided. This discussion was cited in the edit summary in making the decision to reorganize. Please direct complaints either here or to [[User Talk:Menlo Marseilles|my talk page]]. [[User:Menlo Marseilles|Menlo Marseilles]] 21:39, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Purely as a tongue-in-cheek comment by a passing fan/visitor, I would think that from the removed comment suggesting that the fourth Tool links to Dollamancy is fairly obvious. Since the main page states that this wiki is not a wiki-wiki, but rather a Tool, it would explain the ability of it as that fourth tool to convince otherwise lifeless creatures into providing useful work/content for Erfworld. -[[Special:Contributions/68.148.30.86|68.148.30.86]] 06:00, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

== Arkenhammer - Flight ==

The flight using the Arkenhammer was part of an illusion created by Jack. Stanley's dwagon appeared to be croaked - but wasn't. So Jack had veiled the dwagon and made it appear that he and Stanley were escaping via the Arkenhammer.

The arkenhammer may enable its user to fly, but there is no evidence for it. --[[Special:Contributions/87.112.79.233|87.112.79.233]] 10:31, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Page 31, panel 8: Stanley is clearing flying straight up to his dwagons, demonstrating his power to Parson. --[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 14:54, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

::Yeah, it is pretty clear in that panel that Stanley can fly using the Arkenhammer [[TBFGK 31]]. --[[User:MisterB777|MisterB777]] 18:28, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

== Arken saw? ==

Seriously, why don't I see this mentioned anywhere? Arken-shovel my foot. :P :) -[[User:Fennec|Fennec]] 01:08, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Why not both? (Much as I love the Arkansas pun, I see no reason to discard the Arkenshovel) It has been said that there are four
''KNOWN'' Arkentools. Knowledge of others might have been lost to antiquity, or just have been/are controlled by people who
find it advantageous to keep their possession secret; or they might be in some far distant corner of Erfworld that we have not observed.
So, why not an ArkenScrewdriver, ArkenTapemeasure, Arkenrazor (Occam's Razor anyone?), etc.

For all we know, there are plenty more Arkentools out there; they may just be locked away in the Arkentoolbox.

Don't forget there is a wide world out there beyond the scope of what we've seen. To think all the Arkentools were already neatly collected in a relatively tiny pocket of the world is strange and unlikely.

== Alternate idea for the powers of the Tools ==

It could be that the Arkentools magnify the Attuned's natural abilities/focused disciplines to 'unmatched' levels. Charlie could have been a regular Thinkamancer or had some form of Natural Thinkamancy due to his/her unit type. The Dish magnified that to insane levels, completely overshadowing whatever else Charlie had previously been able to do. Ansom was unable to Attune to the Pliers, so all he could manage to get from them was a meager bonus to slaying stuff. Given his character and nature, he probably didn't test the effectiveness of the Pliers out on a living unit, and so assumed they were specific to dusting Uncroaked abominations. It may have also been giving him a small Leadership bonus. In the hands of Wanda, the Pliers amplified her Croakamancy, making the Decrypted a version of 'unmatched Croakamancy'.

In Stanley's hands, the Hammer may just be amplifying his natural abilities, which is not a focused discipline. Without a focus to amplify, it simply grants a smathering of magic-like abilities in response to what Stanley wants to do. He wanted to get to his Dwagon mount, so it assisted him by giving him flight. Stanley wanted to smack Ceasar out of the sky, so it added a huge blast to the attack. Stanley wanted to be a rock star to go along with his dancefighting, so the Hammer rocks out. Stanley wanted to be stronger in combat, and the strongest unit type he knew of was the dwagons, so it allowed him to tame dwagons.

The main limitations to them are how focused the Attuned's mind is. If Stanely gets Croaked, and someone else Attunes to the Hammer, it may focus their abilities to unparalleled levels. And there may be a link between the tools that makes it so that no two unit types can be bonded to any Tool at the same time -- so since Charlie is displaying unmatched Thinkamancy, no thinkamancers can Attune to a tool. This may explain while, since Stanely was presumably a CWL at the time Ansom first wielded the Pliers, Ansom was unable to Attune.

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It seems to me that the times when these words were uncensored happened after Parson told Erfworld that he wouldn't be it's plaything anymore - IE- After book 1.[[Special:Contributions/216.185.68.30|216.185.68.30]] 15:00, 4 February 2013 (EST)

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I didn't want to edit directly because I'm not sure I should for this, but under speculation: Caster Creation, "Casters cannot be popped," on page 78 of book 1 Sizemore mentioned he was popped under Saline IV. While there may be more possibilities, the obvious implication is that he was popped by Gobwin Knob.

:The line is "cannot be popped ''intentionally''." When a side pops a warlord, there is a small percentage chance they get a caster instead. - [[user:Commander I. Heartly Noah]]

== Factions ==

Hypothetically, if a barbarian caster found an unused capital site (Like FAQ used to be) or an unused city, could a caster become an Overlord? We know that Barbarian warlords can, and we know that casters are basically warlords without a leadership ability. So if this is true, what kind of bonuses could a Caster have as a faction leader? - Jedifreak

:It's an interesting question. My guess is no, but it would be cool if so. - CIHN

:Now that I think about it, perhaps that is what Charlie is. - Jedifreak

:We know that casters can be made overlords - Wanda for example (however short that was) - that fact seems to support this, however we don't know if Firebaugh had to promote Wanda "through the ranks" per-se to get there and just did it all at once.[[Special:Contributions/216.185.68.30|216.185.68.30]] 14:04, 4 February 2013 (EST)

== Outright speculation from the main page ==

Moved from the main page (posted by an anonymous user):
"It may be possible to intentionally pop a caster through a link up of some combination of Luckimancer, Turnimancer, Carnymancer and/or Moneymancer, but more information is need about those schools to be sure of this."
--[[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 02:45, 27 November 2011 (EST)

==Redirect from Casters==

If it makes sense to the local environs, please consider making a redirect from a "Casters" page to the Casters list here -- or moving the list to the plural Casters page. "Casters" is the page I looked for first, only to find it didn't exist. ONly found this one when doing a search. [[Special:Contributions/68.48.22.41|68.48.22.41]] 14:37, 21 July 2012 (EDT)