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Arkentool

2009-07-28T13:29:10Z

87.112.79.233: /* The case for Changemancy */

==Canon==
Arkentools are a group of [[Artifacts]] believed to be created by the [[Titans]] of Ark. They are sometimes referred to as "the tools of the Titans".{{erf|1|020}} {{erf|1|004}}

While useful on their own, their true power is revealed when they are attuned to their user.

[[Parson]]'s first [[Stupid Meal]] says there are four known Arkentools.{{erf|1|039}}

The Arkentools look different from most objects in the world; they resemble three-dimensional computer-generated images.

The Arkentools seen so far are:
*the [[Arkenhammer]]
*the [[Arkenpliers]]
*the [[Arkendish]]

==Proposed Canon==
Attunement is governed by [[Fate]] [[magic]]. {{erf|1|022}}

==Speculation==
{| style="background:black; color:white; text-align:center"
| style="background:gray; width:100px" |Arkentool||style="background:gray; width:125px" |Special [[Unit]]||style="background:gray; width:100px" |Associated Axis||style="background:gray; width:250px" |Associated Discipline
|- style="background:white; color:black"
|[[Arkenhammer]]||[[Dwagons]]||Unknown||Disputed
|- style="background:white; color:black"
|[[Arkenpliers]]||[[Decrypted]]||[[Fate]]||[[Croakamancy]]
|- style="background:white; color:black"
|[[Arkendish]]||Probably [[Archons]]||[[Fate]]||[[Thinkamancy]]
|}

It is probable that each Arkentool allows for a special, unique, unit to be made for the side. The Arkenhammer permits the taming of [[Dwagons]], and the Arkenpliers create '[[decrypted]]'. Most readers agree that the Arkendish is probably involved with creating [[Archons]].

[[Stanley]] took the title of Tool because he felt that he was destined to collect the Arkentools{{erf|1|020}}; however, recently, his failure to achieve reach [[Faq]] has left him in doubt as to his destiny. [[Wanda]]'s attunement to the [[Arkenpliers]] have also cast doubt on his belief system, making him uncharacteristically cautious about demanding anything of those that work for him.

The [[Main Page|Erfwiki]] is also a Tool, but whether it exists within [[Erfworld]] in addition to its known [[Real World|Stupidworld-Prime]] incarnation remains to be seen.

===Associated Discipline===
Given that the [[Arkendish]] provides "unmatched" [[Thinkamancy]] and the [[Arkenpliers]] provide clearly unequalled [[Croakamancy]], many readers feel that there is an associated Discipline for the other two Arkentools.

[[Stanley]], a [[Warlord]] who cannot cast spells, uses an electrical effect to take down a [[Chief Warlord]] ([[Caesar Borgata]]) and his entire stack, emerging entirely unscathed from the engagement. This effect appears to be powerful enough to compare to the associated Disciplines of the other two Arkentools. The question, then, is which Discipline does this effect belong to?

Since Thinkamancy and Croakamancy are Fate Axis Disciplines, some readers feel that all associated Disciplines should be Fate aligned. Fate magic being the determining factor in attunement reinforces this belief.

====The case for Shockmancy====
Sizemore unleashes a Shockmancy scroll{{Erf|1|126}} which strike down enemies with yellow bolts. This fits the definition for shock, "a sudden and violent blow or impact".

The first case for Shockmancy compares the electrical effect's results{{Erf|1|113}} to that of the known Shockmancy result{{Erf|1|126}}. The two results are remarkably similar, suggesting they come from the same Discipline.

The second case relies on an undefined part of Shockmancy. An electrically shocking effect is Shockmancy.

The case against: Shockmancy is Erf-aligned, not Fate-aligned. Some readers feel that the visual, magic word, & thematic elements of the Scroll spell and the Van Der Graff hammer effect are different enough that they are different Disciplines.

====The case for Carnymancy====
Carnymancy has not yet been defined, but is probably defined by either the term "Carny" or "Carnival".

The first case suggests that since electrical shows have been included in carnivals, an electrical effect is Carnymancy.

The second case looks at the Arkenhammer itself. The 'hammer has the appearance of a squeeky toy hammer, which can be a prize given by Carny's at a carnival.

If Carnymancy also covers circuses, taming dwagons could be a Carnymancy effect (assuming it's not Thinkamancy) - like 'taming' lions.

The 'flight' attributed to the hammer seems to have only been used to raise straight up -- many trapeze acts will rise into the big top, pulled straight up by ropes. However, the flight effect occurred when the foolamancer Jake generated an illusion of Stanley's dwagon being croaked. The dwagon however was not croaked and so Stanley and Jake were still riding the dwagon. The hammer may have a flight effect, but there is no evidence of it.

The case against: electricity at carnivals are generated by machines; choosing a Discipline based on the appearance of the hammer itself is inconsistent with the association by effect of the 'dish and 'pliers.

====The case for Changemancy====
Changemency has not yet been defined, but is probably defined by an effect of changing one thing into another.

Since the Arkenhammer changes birds into walnuts and vice versa, it does have an effect that associates with Changemancy.

The Arkenhammer may change dwagons from untamable to tamed.

The case against: the effect is not on par with the 'dish and 'pliers.

==Real World References==
It was pointed out that several characters have names that alludes to companies around the world that manufacture tools:
*[http://www.stanleytools.com/ Stanley] manufactures hand tools
*[http://www.wanda-tools.com/ Zhejiang Wanda Tools Co. Ltd] specializes in making pliers
*[http://www.dishnetwork.com/ Dish Network] formed by Charles W. "Charlie" Ergen provides satellite television service in the United States

There is a company named [http://rockwelltools.com/ Rockwell] that manufactures tools.

It is also worth noting that one of the earliest [http://www.freepatentsonline.com/1449702.html/ patents] for a shovel design was given to James B. Sizemore.

It was (half) humorously suggested that the fourth Arkentool should be named Arkensaw - just for [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkansas the fun] of it.

The Arkenstone was the name of a large and valuable dwarven gemstone in J.R.R. Tolkien's ''The Hobbit''.

[[Category:Canon]]
[[Category:Proposed Canon]]
[[Category:Speculation]]
[[Category:Real World References]]

Talk:Arkentool

2009-07-28T10:31:19Z

87.112.79.233: /* Arkenhammer - Flight */

"Stanley's surprise abut Wanda being attuned to the Arkenpliers not being a Warlord suggests that previously only Warlords have attuned to the Arkentools or that it was unusual for other units to do."

Well we already know that the only two people to attune were Overlords - Charlie and Stanley. Even without Charlie, Stanley would probably assume that only he, or at least someone like him, or one of his hand-picked "dashing and handsome" warlords could do it. But I don't think it needs to be speculated on. [[User:Commander I. Heartly Noah|Commander I. Heartly Noah]] June 12 2009 15:05 (UTC)

*"the ''only'' two people to attune"? More like the only ones we have already seen. The fourth Arkentool might be already attuned to someone, and the known Arkentools don't need to be attuned to someone for the first time. Surely it happened before in the history of Erfworld.

**So? We don't know that. This is something that will have to wait for a big reveal.[[User:Xewleer|Xewleer]] 22:40, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

***This would seem to imply that Charlie was a warlord (rather than a Thinkamancer) before he became an overlord. He may have also gone the Chief Warlord -> Heir -> Ruler route. Alternatively, maybe Charlie popped as a barbarian warlord. He doesn't seem to have a capital city, it is just a hidden fortress in the mountains. --[[User:Raphfrk|Raphfrk]] 00:00, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

"It is not known whether there exist any Arkentoys."

Or Arkensandwiches, Arkenbuses, or Arkenbeds. Seriously, this makes no sense and serves no purpose. It's not even funny. I'll admit, though, that I just really don't like it, so if anyone other than the guy who wrote it thinks it belongs on the page, go ahead and put it back. [[User:Commander I. Heartly Noah|Commander I. Heartly Noah]] June 12 2009 15:05 (UTC)

OOOPS. I did not intend to alter Canon. Apologies. Already undid that. --[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 17:30, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

== Arkenhammer Associated Discipline ==
Removed:
:Both the [[Arkendish]] and the [[Arkenpliers]] share an additional link: their respective magic class of [[Eyemancy]] and [[Naughtymancy]] both include [[Motion]] as an element, along with two others: [[Stagemancy]] and [[Spookism]]. If the Arkenhammer uses [[Carnymancy]] as is speculated, than the fourth Arkentool could be implied to be from [[Dollamancy]]. {{erf|1|038}}
Link is obviously bad. 038 is Wanda and Jillian in the torture room. So, who wants to explain this Speculative link to Carnymancy to me? Is it just, "We want them all to associate to Fate, so we picked this at random"? If so, explain why I should be ignoring the blatantly obvious Shockmancy Stanley uses on Caesar, please.
Spec is cool and all, but let's not place Spec over clear and obvious evidence. It's not what you want it to be, just because the alternative is inelegant. The link to Shockmancy is clear and obvious to me. It's powerful and should not exist in a Warlord, so it has to come from somewhere. We're looking for something as powerful as Charlie's Thinkamancy and Wanda's Croakamancy. Pigeons and Walnuts ain't gonna match it. And this is Stanley we're talking about. If he had something as Powerful as either of those, he could never hold back using it anytime it was possible, despite its appropriateness. He's got Self-esteem issues and has to constantly toot his own horn and show off. Further, the association of Shockmancy with Dwagons is clear: blast and brreath weapons are eerily identical. Archons can use Thinkamancy.Decrypted are advanced Uncroaked. Another parallel. So, let's see something solid if you're going to ignore power... --[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 01:34, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
:Ehh, I dunno, man. (The idea, as I understand it, is that the two concrete tools are motion-magic, so the others might be as well) It's a leap, but as far as believing what you want, you're not immune. I'll give you that the Arkendish = Thinkamancy and the Arkenpliers = Croakamancy, so it would be nice to assume the other tools also center around one particular type of magic, but to make that assumption is the same as assuming that they're centered around different Motion magics. It's less specific and therefore more likely, but it's the same leap. Moreover, because you believe this, you let it steer your opinion of the Arkenhammer rather than accepting all the evidence and determining that you can't make a conclusion from it yet. You're throwing out evidence as trivial, when, panel for panel, it's the best evidence you've got.

:For a moment, don't cling to the belief that each Arkentool must be associated with a particular magic. Certainly, the Arkenpliers were associated with Croakamancy before and after attunement. Anti-Croakamancy and then SuperCroakamancy, but nonetheless. The Arkendish definitely has a connection to Thinkamancy (at least, in the hands of Charlie, of whom we know probably the least of any major character). The Archons can perform Thinkamancy... and Foolamancy. And probably Shockmancy or Deletionism, or something else, at minimum. At least 3 different magics. And Thinkamancy isn't even clearly the major one, if there is one. As far as the Arkenhammer - Okay, the lightning most likely is Shockmancy, that would be my guess anyway - but it's still a guess. Yeah, it looks like lightning, but what if the Archons have Shockmancy that doesn't look like lightning? Are looks enough to be sure? And yeah, it was cool, and powerful, but the hammer also tames dwagons. And transmogrifies nuts. Possibly allows flight. And who knows what else? That could be 4 different kinds of magic, plus combat. Now, maybe if a caster had attuned to it, it would have gone along with that caster's forte. Who knows? [[User:Commander I. Heartly Noah|Commander I. Heartly Noah]] July 1, 2009, 05:02 (UTC)

== Arkenhammer - Flight ==

The flight using the Arkenhammer was part of an illusion created by Jake. Stanley's dwagon appeared to be croaked - but wasn't. So Jake had veiled the dwagon and made it appear that he and Stanley were escaping via the Arkenhammer.

The arkenhammer may enable its user to fly, but there is no evidence for it. --[[Special:Contributions/87.112.79.233|87.112.79.233]] 10:31, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Arkentool

2009-07-28T10:30:00Z

87.112.79.233: /* Arkenhammer - Flight */ new section

Arkentool

2009-07-28T10:25:07Z

87.112.79.233: /* The case for Carnymancy */

==Canon==
Arkentools are a group of [[Artifacts]] believed to be created by the [[Titans]] of Ark. They are sometimes referred to as "the tools of the Titans".{{erf|1|020}} {{erf|1|004}}

While useful on their own, their true power is revealed when they are attuned to their user.

[[Parson]]'s first [[Stupid Meal]] says there are four known Arkentools.{{erf|1|039}}

The Arkentools look different from most objects in the world; they resemble three-dimensional computer-generated images.

The Arkentools seen so far are:
*the [[Arkenhammer]]
*the [[Arkenpliers]]
*the [[Arkendish]]

==Proposed Canon==
Attunement is governed by [[Fate]] [[magic]]. {{erf|1|022}}

==Speculation==
{| style="background:black; color:white; text-align:center"
| style="background:gray; width:100px" |Arkentool||style="background:gray; width:125px" |Special [[Unit]]||style="background:gray; width:100px" |Associated Axis||style="background:gray; width:250px" |Associated Discipline
|- style="background:white; color:black"
|[[Arkenhammer]]||[[Dwagons]]||Unknown||Disputed
|- style="background:white; color:black"
|[[Arkenpliers]]||[[Decrypted]]||[[Fate]]||[[Croakamancy]]
|- style="background:white; color:black"
|[[Arkendish]]||Probably [[Archons]]||[[Fate]]||[[Thinkamancy]]
|}

It is probable that each Arkentool allows for a special, unique, unit to be made for the side. The Arkenhammer permits the taming of [[Dwagons]], and the Arkenpliers create '[[decrypted]]'. Most readers agree that the Arkendish is probably involved with creating [[Archons]].

[[Stanley]] took the title of Tool because he felt that he was destined to collect the Arkentools{{erf|1|020}}; however, recently, his failure to achieve reach [[Faq]] has left him in doubt as to his destiny. [[Wanda]]'s attunement to the [[Arkenpliers]] have also cast doubt on his belief system, making him uncharacteristically cautious about demanding anything of those that work for him.

The [[Main Page|Erfwiki]] is also a Tool, but whether it exists within [[Erfworld]] in addition to its known [[Real World|Stupidworld-Prime]] incarnation remains to be seen.

===Associated Discipline===
Given that the [[Arkendish]] provides "unmatched" [[Thinkamancy]] and the [[Arkenpliers]] provide clearly unequalled [[Croakamancy]], many readers feel that there is an associated Discipline for the other two Arkentools.

[[Stanley]], a [[Warlord]] who cannot cast spells, uses an electrical effect to take down a [[Chief Warlord]] ([[Caesar Borgata]]) and his entire stack, emerging entirely unscathed from the engagement. This effect appears to be powerful enough to compare to the associated Disciplines of the other two Arkentools. The question, then, is which Discipline does this effect belong to?

Since Thinkamancy and Croakamancy are Fate Axis Disciplines, some readers feel that all associated Disciplines should be Fate aligned. Fate magic being the determining factor in attunement reinforces this belief.

====The case for Shockmancy====
Sizemore unleashes a Shockmancy scroll{{Erf|1|126}} which strike down enemies with yellow bolts. This fits the definition for shock, "a sudden and violent blow or impact".

The first case for Shockmancy compares the electrical effect's results{{Erf|1|113}} to that of the known Shockmancy result{{Erf|1|126}}. The two results are remarkably similar, suggesting they come from the same Discipline.

The second case relies on an undefined part of Shockmancy. An electrically shocking effect is Shockmancy.

The case against: Shockmancy is Erf-aligned, not Fate-aligned. Some readers feel that the visual, magic word, & thematic elements of the Scroll spell and the Van Der Graff hammer effect are different enough that they are different Disciplines.

====The case for Carnymancy====
Carnymancy has not yet been defined, but is probably defined by either the term "Carny" or "Carnival".

The first case suggests that since electrical shows have been included in carnivals, an electrical effect is Carnymancy.

The second case looks at the Arkenhammer itself. The 'hammer has the appearance of a squeeky toy hammer, which can be a prize given by Carny's at a carnival.

If Carnymancy also covers circuses, taming dwagons could be a Carnymancy effect (assuming it's not Thinkamancy) - like 'taming' lions.

The 'flight' attributed to the hammer seems to have only been used to raise straight up -- many trapeze acts will rise into the big top, pulled straight up by ropes. However, the flight effect occurred when the foolamancer Jake generated an illusion of Stanley's dwagon being croaked. The dwagon however was not croaked and so Stanley and Jake were still riding the dwagon. The hammer may have a flight effect, but there is no evidence of it.

The case against: electricity at carnivals are generated by machines; choosing a Discipline based on the appearance of the hammer itself is inconsistent with the association by effect of the 'dish and 'pliers.

====The case for Changemancy====
Changemency has not yet been defined, but is probably defined by an effect of changing one thing into another.

Since the Arkenhammer changes birds into walnuts and vice versa, it does have an effect that associates with Changemancy.

The case against: the effect is not on par with the 'dish and 'pliers.

==Real World References==
It was pointed out that several characters have names that alludes to companies around the world that manufacture tools:
*[http://www.stanleytools.com/ Stanley] manufactures hand tools
*[http://www.wanda-tools.com/ Zhejiang Wanda Tools Co. Ltd] specializes in making pliers
*[http://www.dishnetwork.com/ Dish Network] formed by Charles W. "Charlie" Ergen provides satellite television service in the United States

There is a company named [http://rockwelltools.com/ Rockwell] that manufactures tools.

It is also worth noting that one of the earliest [http://www.freepatentsonline.com/1449702.html/ patents] for a shovel design was given to James B. Sizemore.

It was (half) humorously suggested that the fourth Arkentool should be named Arkensaw - just for [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkansas the fun] of it.

The Arkenstone was the name of a large and valuable dwarven gemstone in J.R.R. Tolkien's ''The Hobbit''.

[[Category:Canon]]
[[Category:Proposed Canon]]
[[Category:Speculation]]
[[Category:Real World References]]