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Spidew

2012-08-22T19:21:08Z

Balder:

[[Image:Spidew.jpg‎ |right|thumb|A [[stack]] of spidews prepares to charge.{{erf|1|025}}]]
{{Stats
|name= Spidew
|class= [[Heavy Unit]]
|move=
|hits=
|combat=
|defense=
|special= [[Unit#Natural_Abilities|Poison]], [[Mount]]
}}

==Canon==
The unit's name is pronounced "speh-DOO," rhyming with "skiddoo" owing to an interaction Rob had with a fan who pronounced it this way at GenCon 2012. They receive a special stack bonus if they number exactly 23.

==Proposed Canon==
'''First Appearance:''' [[TBFGK 1]]

A [[non-humanoid]] [[mount]] [[unit]] - eight legs, poisonous bite, spins webs... suffers from the same pwoblem{{erf|1|026}} as the [[dwagon]]s.

Spidews are [[Heavy Unit]]s, but [[First_Intermission_2|may enter tunnels]].

===Known Riders===
Spidews have been used as mounts by Gobwins, Hobgobwin Knights, and Men and Uncroaked Warlords.

==Speculation==

===Known Users===

[[Gobwin Knob]] - apparently their main source of non-flying mounts{{erf|1|001}}{{erf|1|002}}{{erf|1|123}} and the common steeds of the [[Knights in Stanley's Service]]{{erf|1|111}}{{erf|1|129}}.

Can also be used on their own, without a rider.{{erf|1|025}}

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Book 1 Print Discrepancies

2012-04-18T19:25:47Z

Balder: /* Page 46 */

{{needsimprovement}}
There are a large number of errors and changes that have appeared in the print edition of Book 1. This page will attempt to list all such differences. Most of the changes are small dialog alterations. Most were intentional. Page numbers here refer to the page numbers in the print version.

Make sure to check the talk page before editing.

==Comic Page Differences==

===Page 4===
*Panel 3 - The word "exactly" was added to Wanda's second line: "Why exactly are you standing in the courtyard, holding a parasol painted with a bullseye?"

===Page 5===
*Panel 2 - The "SWEEP" sound effect has been made slightly transparent and reshaped.
*Panel 3 - Wanda's first line, "Yes, Lord.", was removed.
*Panel 4 - The word "Just" was added to Stanley's third line: "Just pick the most handsome and dashing one left and make him a Warlord."
*Panel 5 - The word "officer" was removed from Stanley's first line: "Are you refusing an order?"
*Panel 6 - The number 11 has been written with letters instead of digits in Wanda's second line: "We once held eleven cities."
*Panel 8 - Wanda's first line, "Yes.", was removed.
*Panel 8 - The phrase "at this point" was removed from Wanda's fourth line: "Our only hope is a military genius."

===Page 6===
*Panel 3 - The word "Prince" was added to Wanda's second line: "If the city falls, Prince Ansom will seize the treasury."
*Panel 9 - Stanley's first line was changed to: "Go ahead and buy this spell for the 350,000."
*Panel 10 - The three "step" sound effects were removed.

===Page 7===
*Panel 7 - The horn sound effects have been altered.

===Page 8===
*Panel 1 - Ansom's last line was changed to: "We'll move forward as a column at that time."
*Panel 2 - Ansom's first line was changed to: "You'll have your gwiffons, plus orlies, doombats, and unipegataurs to protect our flanks from flying attacks."
*Panel 2 - Ansom's last line was changed to: "We should be able to fight our way in to Gobwin Knob without any major losses."
*Panel 3 - Ansom's first line was changed to: "...No."
*Panel 3 - The "s" on the end of "Lookamancers" was removed from Jillian's second line: "Because you have no Lookamancer."
*Panel 3 - Ansom's last line was changed to: "Our forward intelligence is not what we would like it to be, admittedly."
*Panel 6 - Ansom's second line was changed to: "I'll send Vinny Doombats."
*Panel 8 - Ansom's first line was changed to: "At least take a flight of orlies along."
*Panel 11 - The "F"s at the beginning of the croaking sound effects were removed.
*Panel 14 - The "F" at the beginning of the croak sound effect was removed.

===Page 13===
*Panel 3 - Wanda's line was separated into two lines: "I can manage quite a number of magicks outside of Croakamancy. But I have little interest in them."
*Panel 4 - Sizemore's line has been changed to: "That's what a 350,000 Shmucker spell looks like?"
*Panel 9 - Bogroll's first line has been changed to: "And Dirtamancer Sizemore, you are ordered to the cesspit for your usual duties.
*Panel 9 - Bogroll's second line has been moved to the beginning of Panel 10.
*Panel 10 - Bogroll's last line from Panel 9 is now at the start of this panel.

===Page 14===
*Panel 8 - Parson's Favorites list has been changed. It now lists "/tg/ - Traditional Games", "RPGnet Forums Main", "The Pirate Bay - Download music, movie" (cut off), "Goblins", "Hamstard.com Traffic Stats", "Gen Con Indianapolis", "The Webcomic List - Your Favorites", and "http://www.mcstories.com/index.html".
*Panel 9 - The word "record" in Parson's second line is now in italics instead of underlined.

===Page 15===
*Panel 7 - Parson's line: "I have been been preparing." (ERROR)

===Page 16===
*Panel 5 - Parson's first four lines from Panel 6, "Of course. Okay. Guilty. But..." were moved to the end of this panel.
*Panel 6 - Parson's first four lines were moved to the end of Panel 5.

===Page 17===
*Panel 9 - The "O" in the "PLOT" sound effect now has what looks to be crosshairs in it.

===Page 18===
*Panel 12 - Parson's first line from Panel 13 has been moved to the end of this panel.
*Panel 13 - Parson's first line has been moved to the end of Panel 12.
*Panel 13 - Parson has a new line before his second: "Great."

===Page 19===
*Panel 7 - Wanda's first line has been changed to: "Warlord, if you refuse an order, the spell which summoned you will end your existence entirely."
*Panel 8 - Stanley's lines have all been changed: "He's no warlord. I'm not putting this blubbery bag of barf in charge of my army! He's completely-"
*Panel 9 - Stanley has new lines at the beginning of the panel: "Tall. Completely tall."

===Page 20===
*Panel 7 - Wanda's last line has been changed to: "Or another suitably respectful term, when addressing your Ruler."
* Panel 8 - The word "Tool" has been capitalized.
* Panel 15 - Stanley's second line was changed to: "Stanley the Plaid is over!"
* Panel 15 - Stanley's last line was changed to: "Today we begin the holy reign of Stanley the Tool!"

===Page 21===
* Panel 6 - Ansom's second line has been changed: "This is not to prevent escape; we will have their non-fliers well bottled up."
* Panel 8 - Ansom's second line was changed: "Your archers will cover the siege units."
* Panel 9 - Ansom's last line has been split in two, and the Luckless Elf's line has been moved to the middle: "...followed by the Luckless Elves..." "Aw, man." "...and the Schlemiel Elves."

===Page 22===
* Panel 4 - Ansom's second line has been changed: "So long as he wields the Arkenhammer, they will defend him ferociously."
* Panel 8 - Ansom's second line: "They turn most Uncroaked to dust."
* Panel 8 - Ansom's third line: "But Fate magic is powerless in my case; I cannot unlock its secrets."

===Page 23 ===
* Panel 1 - Stanley's second line: "Chiefly because... We don't have anyone else."
* Panel 5 - Wanda's first line: "As I said, the summoning spell compels you to obey your Overlord's orders."

===Page 27===
* Panel 1 - The sound effect is fancier.

===Page 32===
* Panel 8 - Stanley's second line: "But it's not attuned to him, and he doesn't know why that is."

===Page 34===
* Panel 4 - Vinny's third line: "He attacked us, he hit the Elves, he rubbed out Milquetoast Clan."
* Panel 6 - Vinny is spelled "Vinny"
* Panel 9 - Vinny's second line: "You don't see me wearing my crest. ...hittin' people overt the head with my title..."
* Panel 10 - Ansom's first line: "That's not strictly fair..."

===Page 41===
*Diplomacy/Sue for Peace is mentioned again in the Ender's Game Sub tab. That is, rather than just the once in the grey tabs. (ERROR?)

===Page 44===
* Bogroll's special is listed as "Regeneration". (ERROR?)

===Page 46===
* Panel 2 - Charlie's first line: "One of the sides in the great eastern conflict has finally met our price." (ERROR?)
** Not an error [[User:Balder|Balder]] 15:25, 18 April 2012 (EDT)

===Page 47===
*Bonus Page, only available in the print version.

===Page 52===
* Panel 7 - Parson's second line: "No, I'm sorry."

===Page 58===
* Panel 1 - Jillian's line: "Well I also don't take orders from mealy-mouthed, mercenary... ...um..."
* Panel 2 - Jillian's first line: "...er..."
* Panel 2 - Webinar's first line: "I am under the impression that it doesn't much matter who is giving you orders, Warlord."
* Panel 8 - Jillian has a line added at the end: "Pleeease."
* Panel 9 - Webinar's first line from Panel 10 is at the end of this panel: "Which this doesn't need to be."
* Panel 10 - Webinar's first line has been moved to Panel 9.

===Page 59===
* Panel 15 - Vinny's first line: "Crap, they could do some real damage that way."

===Page 63===
*Panel 10 - The first box of text is a balloon coming from Vinny, instead of a text box spoken by Ansom. (ERROR?)

===Page 70===
*Panel 11 - The "+" in Jillian's first line seems to be a superscript or something.
*Panel 11 - Jillian's last line has two exclamation marks: "Let's go!!"

===Page 91===
*Panel 7 - "Vinnie" has been changed to "Vinny" in Ansom's last line.

===Page 104===
*Panel 2 - Vinny's last line has been removed: "But there's more to the Titans' will than just who they left in charge."

===Page 108===
*Panel 1 - The sound effects have been changed. The leftmost sound effect now says "FORE-DOOM", and all of the sound effects are now reddish and blockier.

===Page 126===
*Panel 4 - Vinny's line has been splits: "Havin' the Chief Warlord in the hex adds another bonus. So every bat we got here is like advanced infantry."

===Page 136===
*Panel 12 - "Yeah!" is only said by one golem.

===Page 138===
*Bonus Page, only available in the print version.

===Page 143===
*Bonus Page, only available in the print version.

===Page 149===
*Bonus Page, only available in the print version.
*Sizemore collapses the mountain

===Page 159===
*Bonus Page, only available in the print version.
*Thinkamancer discussion

===Page 168===
*Panel 6 - A text box has been added: "End"

==Text Page Errors==
===Page 171===
*In the first paragraph it says there was only one green dwagon, but there were at least two greens shown in the comic. And since we have also seen a blue, purple, and yellow that survived, it means there should only be one red.
*Technicality - This probably doesn't really matter, but in the third to last paragraph it is stated that dwagons and spidews were Gobwin Knob's only heavy units. However, twolls were also described as being heavy units.

===Page 180===
*Emperor's New Cape - In the third paragraph Vinny is said to have stored his bats and coffin in his cape, yet he has never been seen with a cape.

===Page 190===
*Typo - About halfway through, after "Why?," the word "the" should be the word "then."

==Glossary Errors==
===Garrison===
*Typo - In the second definition, "unite" should be "unit".

IPTSF Text 6

2012-02-22T12:53:15Z

Balder:

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The tent flap rustled, but did not open. “[[Wanda]]! Breakfast!”

Wanda stirred in the wagon. “Yes, [[Chief Warlord|Chief]]. I’m coming.”

She’d awakened when the bugle called start of day, but drifted back into a catnap. Nothing had changed; the [[turn]] had not started and she had no [[juice]] yet. [[Goodminton]] took its turn with its allies [[Quisling]] and [[Frenemy]], as part of the second turn in the [[battlespace]]. [[Haffaton]] was unallied, and took its turn at dawn.

The body of the [[scout]] would have depopped at dawn, had they not moved it out of the [[hex]] where it was [[croak]]ed. Claimed as a [[spoil]] for Goodminton, it would only decay a bit when they started their turn later in the morning. Wanda wanted to be with the body when that happened, so that she could study the process. Her life was full of firsts, but the firsts within [[Croakamancy|her discipline]] were the ones that most held her interest.

No provisions popped for her, since they had supplies and a chuck wagon. She planned to eat as quickly as possible, get her orders, and return to the tent. But when she emerged into the gray sunlight, the camp was in disarray. [[Tommy]] and the other three [[warlord]]s had a captain of the guard surrounded, hearing his urgent report. [[Mount]]s were hurriedly being led forth, including her [[sawhorse]].

“Wanda!” shouted Tommy to her. He whistled sharply and pointed to her mount, then turned back to the soldier with a question.

:::::::---

The leadership stack backtracked up the road to the trailing edge of the hex, meeting up with a stack of survivors on the other side of the barrier. Haffaton, the soldiers said, had attacked them from out of the hills. It was a force of about twenty mid-[[level]] [[firemen]], and one level 4 warlord. They burned the four [[Siege Tower|siege towers]] and one of the three [[battery charger]]s before the unled Goodminton units finally overwhelmed them.

“It’s my fault,” said Tommy bitterly. “I should have left [[leadership]] in the middle of the column.”

“But we scouted that [[hex]] they came from,” said [[Pom Fritz]], a beefy man with a red beard and a single red eyebrow over his buggy green eyes. He was Goodminton’s highest-level warlord, and Tommy considered him a close friend and second in command. He jammed the handle of his great axe into the mud at his feet, placed both hands on the eye, and leaned on it in dismay. “We scouted this whole road three hexes deep. We were right to expect an attack from the fore.”

“Obviously not,” muttered Tommy. “They must have gone around. Or...come from farther afield than we scouted.”

“In this country?” said Fritz. “Hard to imagine either. Yon hexes cost six move apiece for infantry, where they ‘re passable at all.”

“Well, they got through ''somehow'',” said Tommy, “and they certainly did their job. They haven’t left us enough [[siege]] to take [[Goodfinger]]’s gate, by my guess. Titans.”

Although she understood the seriousness of the blow to the battle plan, Wanda kept looking back up the road. Her scout was about to decay, and it didn’t seem as if she could do very much here. Haffaton was still on its turn, and Tommy wasn’t letting her away from his protection. She knew better than to ask.

Within half an hour, Goodminton’s turn started without further incident. They entered the trailing hex, and very quickly had their answer. The Haffaton firemen had been armed with pickaxes and shovels. This was a [[Mine|mining]] squad. Scouts were dispatched, and they found a hidden tunnel in the mountain in the adjacent hex. The enemy must have been hiding underground for several turns, waiting to thwart their inevitable move on Goodfinger.

Wanda walked among the fallen, now unconcerned about the one body she’d held vigil over. This scene was a massacre: twenty-two enemy [[Digging|sap]]s, an enemy warlord, and forty-three of their own infantry.

She could feel them each, sense the skulls and the hearts and the spines. Standing among so many bodies was like finding a purse of so many gems. It was a heady, greedy, giddy feel. Oh, she was a lucky woman.

“Wanda? What can you do with them?”

The last time she’d noticed her brother, he had been talking quietly with his warlords. But now he was suddenly standing at her shoulder, looking down with her at the enemy warlord. She smiled up at him, but her face fell, to see his. He looked devastated. Guilty. His warlords stood off at a respectful distance, pretending to care for weapons or groom their mounts.

“Well, I have a choice, big brother,” she said softly. “This is a warlord. If I [[uncroak]] him, he would benefit from all of my attention, and all of the juice I can spare. The more carefully I cast, the fewer mistakes I might make, and the more he will retain of the power he had in life. I believe I could make him last as long as ten or twelve turns, and retain about half his levels and leadership. But I still might make a mistake.”

Tommy nodded. “I’m familiar with those.”

She gave him the blush he had failed to elicit with his ballad yesterday. “I could do better, if I were not so inexperienced.”

Wanda truly was embarrassed for being so weak. She could sense how far short of [[Croakamancy]]’s potential she would come when she did cast this spell. She had so little juice, and terribly little confidence to use it well enough. She suddenly felt as if that powerful woman only existed there in her bedroom mirror, and that she had left her back in the city. She wanted to fly home to see her, but her boots stayed planted on the road.

“What are our other choices?” asked Tommy distantly.

“I could concentrate on uncroaking more than one unit,” said Wanda, “diluting the effects, but giving us more units. Or I could attempt to mass uncroak every unit in the hex.”

Tommy looked at her sharply. “You could do that?”

She shook her head at him, very slowly. “Tommy... I-I don’t know. I feel it might be too much for me. A disaster. I could become overwhelmed. Maybe we wouldn’t get any units at all out of it. But if I succeeded, then the uncroaked units I create probably would not last more than a turn. Even the warlord.”

Her brother nodded again. “Wanda, do you understand what they did to us? We can’t take that city with only two siege. We’ll have to turn around and march for home.”

“I can’t uncroak the siege towers,” she said, apologetically. “So...the warlord, then?”

Something like a very small smile played around Tommy’s lips. He turned and took a few steps over to a fallen enemy fireman, bent down, and picked up his pickaxe. He held it up to her. “Bit of ‘boring warlord stuff’ here, but perhaps you should get interested, if you want to be a field commander. Siege towers are ''items'', not [[unit]]s. They pop as equipment like armor. Like this axe. When you pop a siege tower, you get 8 digger units and a rolling tower. They’re like portable shelters, see? You put your units with the [[digging]] special on them, and they dig into city walls.” He shook the pickaxe in the air. “Our croaked guys and their croaked guys here all have the digging special, right?”

Wanda nodded.

“Well, then they can dig through walls,” he said, his smile getting a little less tentative. “I normally wouldn’t send valuable diggers into battle without a tower to shelter them from city defenses; they’d get wiped out fast. Losses are usually too unacceptable to do that. But if we’ve got a whole bunch of diggers and a warlord that’ll only last one turn ''anyway''...”

:::::::---

Wanda’s scout was the only of her uncroaked units to survive the battle, and she spent another night with him. His only night. He stood sentry at the foot of her bed in her temporary quarters in Goodfinger’s [[garrison]]. He leaned and limped and shed pieces here and there. She laughed, and loved him for how crude he was.

For she was already level 2, and could do better.

This city was littered with enemy fallen. Tomorrow morning, she would have the chance to do much better than she had with this funny little bit of [[Matter]].

“Dance,” she ordered the scout, sending it gyrating spastically into walls and furniture. She giggled helplessly into her pillow.

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Magic

2012-02-06T16:29:27Z

Balder: /* Basics of Magic */

{{Magic101}}
=Proposed Canon=
Magic is any item, event, or action that achieves a non-mundane result. In [[Erfworld]], magic is governed by a set of rules that determine what an item can do, what is necessary to achieve a particular result, or how a creature can do something it shouldn't be capable of.

==Basics of Magic==
All magic is based on the presence or absence of three elements: [[Life]], [[Motion]] and [[Matter]]. There are eight Classes of Magic, each one unique in its combination of elements. Classes are further divided into disciplines, each of which revolves around one of three magic axes -- [[Erf]], [[Fate]], or [[Numbers]].{{Erf|1|038a}}
<center>
{| style="background:gray; color:white; text-align:center"
| style="background:gray; width:60px" | [[Life]] || style="background:gray; width:60px" | [[Motion]] || style="background:gray; width:60px" | [[Matter]] || style="background:white; color:black; text-align:center" | Class || style="background:gray; width:100px" | [[Erf]] || style="background:gray; width:100px" | [[Fate]] || style="background:gray; width:100px" | [[Numbers]]
|- style="background:white; color:black"
| '''X''' || || || style="background:darkgray; text-align:left" | [[Hocus Pocus]] || [[Findamancy]] || [[Predictamancy]] || [[Mathamancy]]
|- style="background:white; color:black"
| || '''X''' || || style="background:darkgray; text-align:left" | [[Spookism]] || [[Turnamancy]] || [[Dollamancy]] || [[Weirdomancy]]
|- style="background:white; color:black"
| || || '''X''' || style="background:darkgray; text-align:left" | [[Stuffamancy]] || [[Dirtamancy]] || [[Changemancy]] || [[Dittomancy]]
|- style="background:white; color:black"
| '''X''' || '''X''' || || style="background:darkgray; text-align:left" | [[Eyemancy]] || [[Lookamancy]] || [[Thinkamancy]] || [[Foolamancy]]
|- style="background:white; color:black"
| '''X''' || || '''X''' || style="background:darkgray; text-align:left" | [[Hippiemancy]] || [[Flower Power]] || [[Signamancy]] || [[Date-a-mancy]]
|- style="background:white; color:black"
| || '''X''' || '''X''' || style="background:darkgray; text-align:left" | [[Naughtymancy]] || [[Shockmancy]] || [[Croakamancy]] || [[Retconjuration]]
|- style="background:white; color:black"
| '''X''' || '''X''' || '''X''' || style="background:darkgray; text-align:left" | [[Stagemancy]] || [[Hat Magic]] || [[Carnymancy]] || [[Rhyme-o-mancy]]
|- style="background:white; color:black"
| || || || style="background:darkgray; text-align:left" | [[Clevermancy]] || [[Luckamancy]] || [[Healomancy]] || [[Moneymancy]]
|}
</center>

We can see from the chart that the combination of the elements Life and Matter gives the class [[Hippiemancy]] which is divided into the disciplines of [[Flower Power]] (Erf Axis), [[Signamancy]] (Fate Axis), and [[Date-a-mancy]] (Numbers Axis).

===Casters===
:''Main Article: [[Caster]]''

[[Caster|Casters]] cast Magic [[Spell|Spells]], which alter the world around the Caster in some way, gather information, or otherwise provide a result that would be considered extraordinary or supernatural in the [[Real World]]. Each Caster has one Discipline of specialization.

Casters are titled after their Discipline of specialization. For instance, a Caster that specializes in [[Lookamancy]] is known as a [[Lookamancer]].

Multiple Casters can also [[Link]] with a [[Thinkamancer]] to cast powerful, multi-class spells; however, there are risks since an improperly broken Link could damage or [[croak]] the Casters. In addition, the more casters you link, the more difficult it is; two casters (the Thinkamancer and participant) is fairly reliable while three is quite risky due to the backlash when the link is broken improperly. There has been no recorded successful attempts of linking four or more casters together.

===Spells===
:''Main Article: [[Spell]]''

A [[Spell]] is a process by which a [[Caster]] achieves a magical effect. Casting a Spell involves using hand gestures, materials, and/or verbal triggers to accomplish the desired end result. Each Discipline has a limited number of spells. Spells are powered by the expenditure of [[juice]].

==Magic Items and Artifacts==
A [[Magic Item]] is an item that is both magical and made by a mortal. An item with magical powers created by the [[Titans]] is called an [[artifact]].{{Erf|1|035}}

===Scrolls===
Through some unknown process, a [[caster]] can create and use [[scroll]]s. This has the advantage of not using up caster [[juice]] (or energy) at the time of casting the [[spell]], but requires considerably more juice when initially created, and the scroll does not necessarily have to be of their specialized Discipline. The creators of the scroll do not need to be of a single discipline{{erf|1|005}}{{erf|1|036}}: such a [[Summon Perfect Warlord Spell|summoning scroll]] was used at the beginning of the comic to summon Parson Gotti to Erfworld. Whether this scroll was created by [[link|linked]] casters or simple cooperation is unknown.

[[Category:Proposed Canon]]
[[Category:Magic]]

User:Muzzafar

2012-01-14T09:07:24Z

Balder:

This user is a fan of Erfworld, obviously. 
He is located in Eastern Europe. 
He speaks fluent [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_language Russian], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Language English] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latvian_language Latvian]. 
He enjoys [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn-based_strategy turn-based strategies] and would love to play one based in [[Erfworld]]. 
He [[Special:Contributions/Muzzafar|tries]] to be [[Useful Information|useful]].

And he has my thanks and pretty much deserves a medal. :) -Rob Balder

Template:Didyouknow

2011-04-22T12:15:01Z

Balder:

*[[commander|Commanders]] have a [[purse]] which limits the total [[Shmuckers]] they can carry?
*That the purse limit can be effectively exceeded by carrying [[gem|gems]]?
*[[Parson]] wrote a webcomic while he was still in [[Parson's World|his world]]? You can go [http://hamstard.com/ read it]!
*[[Guidelines for fan art]] is a pretty significant page on the do's and don'ts of using ErfWorld content?
*You can help by writing new articles, improving existing ones, or just doing maintenance?
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Hobgobwin

2011-04-22T09:38:18Z

Balder: /* Speculation */ Broke the main rule of the IRC channel, no quoting Word of God outside the channel.

[[Image:hobgobwin.jpg|right|thumb|A hobgobwin guard stands at attention inside the [[Tower of Efdup]].{{erf|2|001}}]]

__TOC__

=Proposed Canon=
'''First Appearance:''' [[TBFGK 28]]

Hobgobwins are a non-[[Capital Side]]. They have been [[natural allies]] to [[Gobwin Knob]] since at least the reign of [[King Saline IV]] and up to the current [[turn]].

Hobgobwin [[unit]]s are orange skinned [[humanoid]]s similar in appearance to [[Gobwin]]s, but considerably bigger (somewhat larger than [[Men]]).

Any side allied with Hobgobwins will not be able to ally with [[Elves]] or [[Marbits]].

Hobgobwins can be promoted to be [[Knight]]s or [[Heavy Unit|Heavies]].

===Notable Hobgobwins===

*[[Vurp]]
**[[Knights in Stanley's Service]]
*Henchman [[Mung]]
*[[Fud]]

=Speculation=

The naming scheme for hobgobwins seems to be related to slang words that can be found in the urban dictionary.

Hobgobwins may be significantly better fighters and [[knight]]s than [[Men]] are, which would explain why the Knights in Stanley's Service are all Hobgobwins.

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User talk:Balder

2010-10-31T08:32:42Z

Balder: /* Glossary */

==References==
In trying to get the reflist template to work (aka, copy in the template code), I'm wondering if it's to do with [http://www.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum:Template:Reflist&t=20080321150150 this] change to Common.css not having been done? Or am I missing something terribly simple? --[[User:OniExpress|OniExpress]] 04:31, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
:Using new-style references via <nowiki><ref>, <references> and {{reflist}}</nowiki> requires [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite/Cite.php Cite.php] to be installed. Without it, your best bet is to convert the page to use the older [[Wikipedia:Template:Ref|Ref]]/[[Wikipedia:Template:Note|Note]] system. Cheers! —[[User:Revenant|Revenant]][[User talk:Revenant|Talk]] 12:01, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
::So far we have been using a simple workaround: <nowiki>[http://www.google.com]</nowiki> displays [http://www.google.com]. It might not look as good as Wikipedia references, but at least it is easy to do plus it does the numbering automatically. If somebody comes with a better idea it would be nice. Just keep it simple, please! :) -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 15:32, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

== Images ==

A question I wanted to pose. I was thinking that images in some of the wikis here would be nice; not so much that they are strictly necessary (it's horribly unlikely that someone would see a wiki here before the relevant entry in the comic itself), but it strikes me that they would be beneficial in a few places. But obviously it's not my or any of our art, and regardless that you maintain/gain the rights of anything entered here, I figured this was a question better asked before rather than after. Oh, and I honestly haven't even checked to see if file uploads are an activated feature here yet, but who fusses over the little details like that? :P --[[User:OniExpress|OniExpress]] 01:34, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah Images are awesome and anything is fair game. I'm even going so far as to say I'm not going to question the use of copyrighted images we don't own until the owner objects to their use here, for now. That policy is subject to change. --[[User:Balder|Balder]] 06:32, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

:It looks like someone's going to have to enable uploading before we can add any image files. [[User:Henry|Henry]] 07:45, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

::Image files now enabled and tested. Working! --[[User:Balder|Balder]] 13:46, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

:::Thanks! =) [[User:Henry|Henry]] 01:33, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

:::Thanks for that as well. :) They arn't necessary, and I didn't want to step on any toes with the matter. The [[Titans]] wiki made me think of it the most initially. I'll get some work done editing images down to proper proportions tomorrow afternoon. --[[User:OniExpress|OniExpress]] 00:54, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

==Canon, proposed canon and speculation==
Hi Rob! Several questions here:
*You created a page for [[Croaking]]. Can we automatically consider the text that you wrote a [[Canon]] since it is the "Word of God"?
*You have written quite a lot of information on the [http://www.giantitp.com/forums/ GitP forums]. I see it as pretty valuable for readers since it is the "Word of God", basically. I do not know about Rich's plans about the Erfworld forum on the GitP forums, but I assume there is a chance it might not last. Can we save your messages in some form in this Wiki, for example as [[Word of God]] article with references to the GitP forum posts? I guess it would make it possible to refer to it as to.. well, the Word of God. What do you think?
*<s>There is some information on this Wiki that is taken right from the comic (for example, magic disciplines in [[Magic]]). Would that be Speculation or Proposed Canon? Can unambiguous information with references to comic strips (like [[Caesar Borgata]] is [[Chief Warlord]] to [[Transylvito]][http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0125.html]) be considered Proposed Canon?</s> 
Thank you! -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 14:07, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
: UPD: Sorry, I have not read the [[Main_Page#Rules|rules]] well enough. I think Speculation and Proposed Canon are explained quite explicitly there. -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 18:27, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
::UPD: I made the [[Word of God|page]]. Hope you don't mind. -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 21:12, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey Rob,
I'm not sure about what type(s) the [[Parsons_Plans|Parson's plans]] article and related articles should be. They're unlikely to directly become canon, or proposed canon, but are mostly different from pure speculation, as the links can be fairly obvious but not completely spelled out by the comic/word of God.
Thanks, [[User:Doran|Doran]] 00:56, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
:Hm, dunno. I guess they're another type of page, a list page? [[User:Balder|Balder]] 23:07, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

==Luckmancy vs Luckamancy==
Hi Rob! 
On one occasion this discipline of Magic is call [http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0040.html Luckmancy] (and apparently Luckmancers). On [http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0142.html others] it is [http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0142.html LuckAmancy] and [http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0060.html Luckamancers]. What is the right name? -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 08:01, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
:Luckamancy is right. Much like "Vinny" is right and I know at least one "Vinnie" got through lettering. We'll need some help rounding up all bloopers.

==Plot Summary from Wikipedia==
Hi Rob! 
I think I managed to copy the current article + 2 earlier versions of the plot summary from the Wikipedia. I copied the text to [[Wikipedia|this article]]. In the next few days I (and whoever willing to help) will try to merge the three versions. I suppose we can then copy the plot summary to a [[Plot Summary|separate page]]. 
Please let know if we can provide any further assistance. -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 09:43, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
: Awesome Muzzafar, thanks for all your hard work! [[User:Balder|Balder]] 05:36, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
:: It's my pleasure! I really appreciate your appreciation. :D
:: I did my best to combine the three revisions of the plot summary and copied it over [[Plot Summary|here]].
:: I guess we could also use [http://knol.google.com/k/robert-balder/erfworld/23skug9txczm1/2# your knol] to further improve the plot summary, couldn't we? Please advise. -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 15:55, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
::: Sure, though SteveMB wrote most of the knol. I should be doing more with that as well. We'll make it a priority after we launch and get the bugs out. But yes, I would like to see a very detailed plot summary, and eventually a wiki article annotating every page. There's enough to keep many people busy here for a long time! [[User:Balder|Balder]] 16:58, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

== Hippiemancy ==

Is the Fate Axis of Hippiemancy supposed to be 'Singamancy' or 'Signamancy'? It is shown as 'Signamancy' in the magic axis Klog[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0040.html]. -- [[User:Ichthus|Ichthus]] 17:27, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
: Signamancy. Like the Peace sign, man. Like the protest sign, man. Signs, signs, everywhere a sign. Far out. [[User:Balder|Balder]] 17:32, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

== Descriptive Table of Contents ==
I took the liberty to update the [[Descriptive Table of Contents]]. -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 17:50, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

== Page Annotation ==
Started [[Page Annotation]] project. I guess we need your contribution (in form of guidance and advice). -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 11:26, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

==Fan Created Stuff==
Rob, could you please add a section to the main page concerning people adding fan-created pages.
Someone added [[Feildebeat|these]] [[Boogiemen|ones]], so for now I added <nowiki>[[Category:Fan Created]]</nowiki> it, and added "Fan " in front of the categories. --[[User:Doran|Doran]] 00:24, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:As per discussion with the Balder, I've expanded on your work, Doran. There are now three classes of fan material, with catchy names. [[ErfWiki:Fanon|Fanon]], [[ErfWiki:Banon|Banon]], and the intermediate [[ErfWiki:Forked Fanon|'forked up' fanon]]. Hope I got those more or less right, Rob; it's late so I may have jumbled something. --> '''[[User:Erk|ERK!]]'''|[[User_talk:Erk|eyeBook me]] 04:48, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

== Actual Game ==

Let me preface this by saying that I know that the comic and the game are separate. You are aiming to tell a story and its a darn good one so far.

However, as an avid gamer and amateur game designer, I can't help but notice there's a very compelling and rather robust system behind the story. I also see that you're a game designer by trade. I was wondering... Are there were plans to take the Erfworld setting/system and turn it into an ACTUAL game? I know that I would buy it if it was. I'm certain others would as well.

Just curious.

-Tug
:This wiki is going to be used to work out a final set of game mechanics and tables which is consistent with the comic, and internally logical as well. Then we can use that as the basis for several types of games, developed by third parties and/or fans, with my guidance. That's the theory, anyway. More direction on that coming in a little while. [[User:Balder|Balder]] 09:18, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

== Analysis ==

Please can you edit the main page to add the [[Analysis]] category, thanks -- [[User:Doran|Doran]] 22:02, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

== Online Game ==

Dear Rob and Jamie,

I recently started work on a strategy game that can be played online with a web browser. For now, this is a hobby project that I'm doing in my spare time to play with my friends.. The basic concept is that it will be turn-based BUT asynchronous. A turn will last a day, and players can log on any time during the day to move their units and order production. In fact, they can log on many times, if they want to order units that still have some moves left. In fact, it could be that two sides are moving their units around in the same minute...

The game code is in early stages at this time: it can render a map, shows some unit stacks, you can move them around and claim cities for your side, but that's about it. There's a minimap that can scroll the screen and shows cities and unit stacks. There's no movement limit, no turns, can't manipulate stacks, yet, etc. On the bright side, it's done in pure javascript without
plugins like Java or Flash. :)

You can take a look at the current work-in-progress here:

* http://apocalypse.rulez.org/~upi/CitiesOfApocalypse/Game.pl
* http://apocalypse.rulez.org/~upi/CitiesOfApocalypse/Game.pl?map=swamp
* http://apocalypse.rulez.org/~upi/CitiesOfApocalypse/Game.pl?map=desert
* http://apocalypse.rulez.org/~upi/CitiesOfApocalypse/Game.pl?map=winter
* http://apocalypse.rulez.org/~upi/CitiesOfApocalypse/Game.pl?map=large

(The terrain and unit graphics are from "Battle for Wesnoth"; the cities are from an older game which is why they look so out of place...)

As you can see, this is a world without any actual mechanics at this time. The question is: would you be interested in creating an online Erfworld game that your readers could play on the erfworld website? I think the emerging Erfworld mechanics are great, it would be cool to do this project with this setting. If you aren't interested, I will just make up my own rules for the game. :)

-- [[User:UPi|UPi]] 10:02, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

UPi, that's really fabulous looking! It's probably worth mentioning that it's going to be quite difficult to port to Internet Explorer, though, even IE8. IE doesn't support the canvas tag natively :-( It's possible to use it through an external library, but last I heard it's quite slow.

Good work on the game, though! I'm very impressed with things like the route planning, and it really does look just like Wesnoth, which is quite impressive in itself.

-- [[User:Angelbob|Angelbob]] 12:52, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't actually have time to work on anything like an Erfworld game, and won't until late into 2010 when the Book 2 script and other projects should be complete. Also, we ultimately want to work with a pro firm, and license Erfworld to them for a major commercial game. That definitely does not mean we don't want to see startup and fan and homebrew projects like this one. I just can't spare any mindshare to work on them personally. Very sorry!

-- [[User:Balder|Balder]] 06:36, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

== Juuni Kokki ==

On an unrelated note: have you seen (or read) "12 Kingdoms" ("Juuni Kokki")? The story shares some of the basic concepts of Erfworld: a person (Parson :) from our contemporary reality gets swept away from his (or, in Juuni Kokki's case, her)
ordinary life into another world. This world is significantly different from our own, for example, people are not gestate in a woman's womb (in JK they grow like fruit on special trees).

Also, this person finds himself/herself in the situation that he/she must now command an entire kingdom. However, he/she must first learn the rules and the logic of the new world, with the help of his/her advisors, not all of which wish him/her well.
It takes plenty of trial and error before the true nature of the world is understood and the new ruler often feels out of place. In the end, he/she realizes that he/she was even MORE out of place in what he/she thought was the "real world".

This context, of course, if a great storytelling tool, as the audience of the story is introduced to the world's quirks and concepts gradually, learning them along with the story's main character, often left to wonder if how he would behave and react in a situation like this.

-- [[User:UPi|UPi]] 10:04, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, never read/seen it. I may look it up, though. Sounds cool.

-- [[User:Balder|Balder]] 06:39, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

== New Main Page ==
<center>{{mainpagecontrol}}</center>
Just a quick and dirty control panel I whipped up. It shows each template used and what they do. Main page links to main page, but it's really at [[User:Miment/Main]]. This time, I'm off for real! [[User:Miment|Miment]]

:This looks pretty brilliant, Miment. I'd like to see something like this implemented and soon. My only concerns are that the guiding philosophy and rules about fanon and stuff is clear to editors. And your choice of article raises the real problem of spoilers. Mentioning the volcano uncroaking on the main page of the wiki would definitely be uncool. How can we prevent that kind of thing? Thanks for your hard work on this. [[User:Balder|Balder]] 10:45, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
::I'll see what I can do about keeping the guidelines clear. Do you want all the info off the main page, or just like "purpose" and "Making Stuff Up"?

::As for spoilers in the featured article, that's gonna be a whole lot harder. Basically all the knowledge we have about Erfworld comes from happenings in the the story, so unless we only feature Fanon or rules/mechanics pages, spoilers are gonna leak through. Careful editing of the featured article section can keep out the big ones, like the volcano.
::[[User:Miment|Miment]] 18:25, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Maybe a prominently featured "New to Erfwiki? Start here" with a link to a page that contains most/all of the info that is on the current main page. [[User:Balder|Balder]] 20:21, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
For the "New to ErfWiki" part, I was thinking of adding a section like [http://i362.photobucket.com/albums/oo67/Avalagga/rulesbox.jpg this] under the topbox, in a template called [[Template:rulesbox|<nowiki>{{rulesbox}}</nowiki>]]. The idea is that when you click on one of those links, the text below it changes with moving you off the main page. It would be collapsible too, so people who don't need it could get it out of their way. Unfortunately, that requires some custom CSS work and I don't have the permissions to do that.

So I went ahead and made [[Template:rulesbox|<nowiki>{{rulesbox}}</nowiki>]] as a placeholder and put some text into it. I can change the text, make it stand out more, etc. But if you want it to be a nifty frame like above, you'd need to get ahold of your webguy and have him do it.

I didn't have time to fix the links or change the content on the [[User:Miment/Main|main page prototype]]. I spent too much time figuring out that I couldn't make that frame >_> That and I gotta help get my place ready for a Halloween Party. Anyways, I probably won't be back on till Sunday or Monday.

*Hey, hey, main page got unlocked, so I took out as many spoilers from the Featured article as I could, pointed all the links to somewhere and put the page up. If you want to change anything, edit the appropriate section on the Main Page Control Panel I put at the top of this section. Be sure to drop me a line and tell me what you think!

== Need something deleted ==

I accidentally loaded the image for [[LIAB 20]] to [http://www.erfworld.com/wiki/index.php/File:LIAB_Text_20.jpg LIAB Text 20]. This is gonna cause some problems when the text updates get that far, so it needs to be deleted. I would've taken care of it myself, but I don't have the rights to.

I'll go ahead and send this off to [[User_Talk:Harknell|Harkenell]] too.

== On dealing with spambots ==

I noticed you banned a few IPs for spamming, so I went ahead and made a little category of other IP addresses that have spammed the wiki. Bans for them would be great too.
http://www.erfworld.com/wiki/index.php/Category:Spammer

So glad to see this. - [[User:Commander I. Heartly Noah|CIHN]]

== Glossary ==

Want to double check that the nameless user updating such things as Knight in the Glossary (29-30 Oct) was you. There are some things there that add to the known Canon and expand the Proposed Canon of multiple entries, and it would be nice to confirm these. - [[User:Commander I. Heartly Noah|CIHN]]

:We were working on the glossary with a team. Did you put an asterisk by EVERY entry? Those were indicating the entries that would go in the book. :P

::Whoops. So can we take all that stuff to be canon?

:::It's a work in progress, man. Chill on it until the book comes out. Then it's canon.

User talk:Balder

2010-10-30T23:23:28Z

Balder: /* Glossary */

User talk:Balder

2010-10-30T23:23:04Z

Balder: /* Glossary */

==References==
In trying to get the reflist template to work (aka, copy in the template code), I'm wondering if it's to do with [http://www.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum:Template:Reflist&t=20080321150150 this] change to Common.css not having been done? Or am I missing something terribly simple? --[[User:OniExpress|OniExpress]] 04:31, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
:Using new-style references via <nowiki><ref>, <references> and {{reflist}}</nowiki> requires [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite/Cite.php Cite.php] to be installed. Without it, your best bet is to convert the page to use the older [[Wikipedia:Template:Ref|Ref]]/[[Wikipedia:Template:Note|Note]] system. Cheers! —[[User:Revenant|Revenant]][[User talk:Revenant|Talk]] 12:01, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
::So far we have been using a simple workaround: <nowiki>[http://www.google.com]</nowiki> displays [http://www.google.com]. It might not look as good as Wikipedia references, but at least it is easy to do plus it does the numbering automatically. If somebody comes with a better idea it would be nice. Just keep it simple, please! :) -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 15:32, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

== Images ==

A question I wanted to pose. I was thinking that images in some of the wikis here would be nice; not so much that they are strictly necessary (it's horribly unlikely that someone would see a wiki here before the relevant entry in the comic itself), but it strikes me that they would be beneficial in a few places. But obviously it's not my or any of our art, and regardless that you maintain/gain the rights of anything entered here, I figured this was a question better asked before rather than after. Oh, and I honestly haven't even checked to see if file uploads are an activated feature here yet, but who fusses over the little details like that? :P --[[User:OniExpress|OniExpress]] 01:34, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah Images are awesome and anything is fair game. I'm even going so far as to say I'm not going to question the use of copyrighted images we don't own until the owner objects to their use here, for now. That policy is subject to change. --[[User:Balder|Balder]] 06:32, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

:It looks like someone's going to have to enable uploading before we can add any image files. [[User:Henry|Henry]] 07:45, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

::Image files now enabled and tested. Working! --[[User:Balder|Balder]] 13:46, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

:::Thanks! =) [[User:Henry|Henry]] 01:33, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

:::Thanks for that as well. :) They arn't necessary, and I didn't want to step on any toes with the matter. The [[Titans]] wiki made me think of it the most initially. I'll get some work done editing images down to proper proportions tomorrow afternoon. --[[User:OniExpress|OniExpress]] 00:54, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

==Canon, proposed canon and speculation==
Hi Rob! Several questions here:
*You created a page for [[Croaking]]. Can we automatically consider the text that you wrote a [[Canon]] since it is the "Word of God"?
*You have written quite a lot of information on the [http://www.giantitp.com/forums/ GitP forums]. I see it as pretty valuable for readers since it is the "Word of God", basically. I do not know about Rich's plans about the Erfworld forum on the GitP forums, but I assume there is a chance it might not last. Can we save your messages in some form in this Wiki, for example as [[Word of God]] article with references to the GitP forum posts? I guess it would make it possible to refer to it as to.. well, the Word of God. What do you think?
*<s>There is some information on this Wiki that is taken right from the comic (for example, magic disciplines in [[Magic]]). Would that be Speculation or Proposed Canon? Can unambiguous information with references to comic strips (like [[Caesar Borgata]] is [[Chief Warlord]] to [[Transylvito]][http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0125.html]) be considered Proposed Canon?</s> 
Thank you! -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 14:07, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
: UPD: Sorry, I have not read the [[Main_Page#Rules|rules]] well enough. I think Speculation and Proposed Canon are explained quite explicitly there. -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 18:27, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
::UPD: I made the [[Word of God|page]]. Hope you don't mind. -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 21:12, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey Rob,
I'm not sure about what type(s) the [[Parsons_Plans|Parson's plans]] article and related articles should be. They're unlikely to directly become canon, or proposed canon, but are mostly different from pure speculation, as the links can be fairly obvious but not completely spelled out by the comic/word of God.
Thanks, [[User:Doran|Doran]] 00:56, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
:Hm, dunno. I guess they're another type of page, a list page? [[User:Balder|Balder]] 23:07, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

==Luckmancy vs Luckamancy==
Hi Rob! 
On one occasion this discipline of Magic is call [http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0040.html Luckmancy] (and apparently Luckmancers). On [http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0142.html others] it is [http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0142.html LuckAmancy] and [http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0060.html Luckamancers]. What is the right name? -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 08:01, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
:Luckamancy is right. Much like "Vinny" is right and I know at least one "Vinnie" got through lettering. We'll need some help rounding up all bloopers.

==Plot Summary from Wikipedia==
Hi Rob! 
I think I managed to copy the current article + 2 earlier versions of the plot summary from the Wikipedia. I copied the text to [[Wikipedia|this article]]. In the next few days I (and whoever willing to help) will try to merge the three versions. I suppose we can then copy the plot summary to a [[Plot Summary|separate page]]. 
Please let know if we can provide any further assistance. -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 09:43, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
: Awesome Muzzafar, thanks for all your hard work! [[User:Balder|Balder]] 05:36, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
:: It's my pleasure! I really appreciate your appreciation. :D
:: I did my best to combine the three revisions of the plot summary and copied it over [[Plot Summary|here]].
:: I guess we could also use [http://knol.google.com/k/robert-balder/erfworld/23skug9txczm1/2# your knol] to further improve the plot summary, couldn't we? Please advise. -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 15:55, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
::: Sure, though SteveMB wrote most of the knol. I should be doing more with that as well. We'll make it a priority after we launch and get the bugs out. But yes, I would like to see a very detailed plot summary, and eventually a wiki article annotating every page. There's enough to keep many people busy here for a long time! [[User:Balder|Balder]] 16:58, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

== Hippiemancy ==

Is the Fate Axis of Hippiemancy supposed to be 'Singamancy' or 'Signamancy'? It is shown as 'Signamancy' in the magic axis Klog[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0040.html]. -- [[User:Ichthus|Ichthus]] 17:27, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
: Signamancy. Like the Peace sign, man. Like the protest sign, man. Signs, signs, everywhere a sign. Far out. [[User:Balder|Balder]] 17:32, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

== Descriptive Table of Contents ==
I took the liberty to update the [[Descriptive Table of Contents]]. -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 17:50, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

== Page Annotation ==
Started [[Page Annotation]] project. I guess we need your contribution (in form of guidance and advice). -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 11:26, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

==Fan Created Stuff==
Rob, could you please add a section to the main page concerning people adding fan-created pages.
Someone added [[Feildebeat|these]] [[Boogiemen|ones]], so for now I added <nowiki>[[Category:Fan Created]]</nowiki> it, and added "Fan " in front of the categories. --[[User:Doran|Doran]] 00:24, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:As per discussion with the Balder, I've expanded on your work, Doran. There are now three classes of fan material, with catchy names. [[ErfWiki:Fanon|Fanon]], [[ErfWiki:Banon|Banon]], and the intermediate [[ErfWiki:Forked Fanon|'forked up' fanon]]. Hope I got those more or less right, Rob; it's late so I may have jumbled something. --> '''[[User:Erk|ERK!]]'''|[[User_talk:Erk|eyeBook me]] 04:48, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

== Actual Game ==

Let me preface this by saying that I know that the comic and the game are separate. You are aiming to tell a story and its a darn good one so far.

However, as an avid gamer and amateur game designer, I can't help but notice there's a very compelling and rather robust system behind the story. I also see that you're a game designer by trade. I was wondering... Are there were plans to take the Erfworld setting/system and turn it into an ACTUAL game? I know that I would buy it if it was. I'm certain others would as well.

Just curious.

-Tug
:This wiki is going to be used to work out a final set of game mechanics and tables which is consistent with the comic, and internally logical as well. Then we can use that as the basis for several types of games, developed by third parties and/or fans, with my guidance. That's the theory, anyway. More direction on that coming in a little while. [[User:Balder|Balder]] 09:18, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

== Analysis ==

Please can you edit the main page to add the [[Analysis]] category, thanks -- [[User:Doran|Doran]] 22:02, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

== Online Game ==

Dear Rob and Jamie,

I recently started work on a strategy game that can be played online with a web browser. For now, this is a hobby project that I'm doing in my spare time to play with my friends.. The basic concept is that it will be turn-based BUT asynchronous. A turn will last a day, and players can log on any time during the day to move their units and order production. In fact, they can log on many times, if they want to order units that still have some moves left. In fact, it could be that two sides are moving their units around in the same minute...

The game code is in early stages at this time: it can render a map, shows some unit stacks, you can move them around and claim cities for your side, but that's about it. There's a minimap that can scroll the screen and shows cities and unit stacks. There's no movement limit, no turns, can't manipulate stacks, yet, etc. On the bright side, it's done in pure javascript without
plugins like Java or Flash. :)

You can take a look at the current work-in-progress here:

* http://apocalypse.rulez.org/~upi/CitiesOfApocalypse/Game.pl
* http://apocalypse.rulez.org/~upi/CitiesOfApocalypse/Game.pl?map=swamp
* http://apocalypse.rulez.org/~upi/CitiesOfApocalypse/Game.pl?map=desert
* http://apocalypse.rulez.org/~upi/CitiesOfApocalypse/Game.pl?map=winter
* http://apocalypse.rulez.org/~upi/CitiesOfApocalypse/Game.pl?map=large

(The terrain and unit graphics are from "Battle for Wesnoth"; the cities are from an older game which is why they look so out of place...)

As you can see, this is a world without any actual mechanics at this time. The question is: would you be interested in creating an online Erfworld game that your readers could play on the erfworld website? I think the emerging Erfworld mechanics are great, it would be cool to do this project with this setting. If you aren't interested, I will just make up my own rules for the game. :)

-- [[User:UPi|UPi]] 10:02, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

UPi, that's really fabulous looking! It's probably worth mentioning that it's going to be quite difficult to port to Internet Explorer, though, even IE8. IE doesn't support the canvas tag natively :-( It's possible to use it through an external library, but last I heard it's quite slow.

Good work on the game, though! I'm very impressed with things like the route planning, and it really does look just like Wesnoth, which is quite impressive in itself.

-- [[User:Angelbob|Angelbob]] 12:52, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't actually have time to work on anything like an Erfworld game, and won't until late into 2010 when the Book 2 script and other projects should be complete. Also, we ultimately want to work with a pro firm, and license Erfworld to them for a major commercial game. That definitely does not mean we don't want to see startup and fan and homebrew projects like this one. I just can't spare any mindshare to work on them personally. Very sorry!

-- [[User:Balder|Balder]] 06:36, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

== Juuni Kokki ==

On an unrelated note: have you seen (or read) "12 Kingdoms" ("Juuni Kokki")? The story shares some of the basic concepts of Erfworld: a person (Parson :) from our contemporary reality gets swept away from his (or, in Juuni Kokki's case, her)
ordinary life into another world. This world is significantly different from our own, for example, people are not gestate in a woman's womb (in JK they grow like fruit on special trees).

Also, this person finds himself/herself in the situation that he/she must now command an entire kingdom. However, he/she must first learn the rules and the logic of the new world, with the help of his/her advisors, not all of which wish him/her well.
It takes plenty of trial and error before the true nature of the world is understood and the new ruler often feels out of place. In the end, he/she realizes that he/she was even MORE out of place in what he/she thought was the "real world".

This context, of course, if a great storytelling tool, as the audience of the story is introduced to the world's quirks and concepts gradually, learning them along with the story's main character, often left to wonder if how he would behave and react in a situation like this.

-- [[User:UPi|UPi]] 10:04, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, never read/seen it. I may look it up, though. Sounds cool.

-- [[User:Balder|Balder]] 06:39, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

== New Main Page ==
<center>{{mainpagecontrol}}</center>
Just a quick and dirty control panel I whipped up. It shows each template used and what they do. Main page links to main page, but it's really at [[User:Miment/Main]]. This time, I'm off for real! [[User:Miment|Miment]]

:This looks pretty brilliant, Miment. I'd like to see something like this implemented and soon. My only concerns are that the guiding philosophy and rules about fanon and stuff is clear to editors. And your choice of article raises the real problem of spoilers. Mentioning the volcano uncroaking on the main page of the wiki would definitely be uncool. How can we prevent that kind of thing? Thanks for your hard work on this. [[User:Balder|Balder]] 10:45, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
::I'll see what I can do about keeping the guidelines clear. Do you want all the info off the main page, or just like "purpose" and "Making Stuff Up"?

::As for spoilers in the featured article, that's gonna be a whole lot harder. Basically all the knowledge we have about Erfworld comes from happenings in the the story, so unless we only feature Fanon or rules/mechanics pages, spoilers are gonna leak through. Careful editing of the featured article section can keep out the big ones, like the volcano.
::[[User:Miment|Miment]] 18:25, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Maybe a prominently featured "New to Erfwiki? Start here" with a link to a page that contains most/all of the info that is on the current main page. [[User:Balder|Balder]] 20:21, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
For the "New to ErfWiki" part, I was thinking of adding a section like [http://i362.photobucket.com/albums/oo67/Avalagga/rulesbox.jpg this] under the topbox, in a template called [[Template:rulesbox|<nowiki>{{rulesbox}}</nowiki>]]. The idea is that when you click on one of those links, the text below it changes with moving you off the main page. It would be collapsible too, so people who don't need it could get it out of their way. Unfortunately, that requires some custom CSS work and I don't have the permissions to do that.

So I went ahead and made [[Template:rulesbox|<nowiki>{{rulesbox}}</nowiki>]] as a placeholder and put some text into it. I can change the text, make it stand out more, etc. But if you want it to be a nifty frame like above, you'd need to get ahold of your webguy and have him do it.

I didn't have time to fix the links or change the content on the [[User:Miment/Main|main page prototype]]. I spent too much time figuring out that I couldn't make that frame >_> That and I gotta help get my place ready for a Halloween Party. Anyways, I probably won't be back on till Sunday or Monday.

*Hey, hey, main page got unlocked, so I took out as many spoilers from the Featured article as I could, pointed all the links to somewhere and put the page up. If you want to change anything, edit the appropriate section on the Main Page Control Panel I put at the top of this section. Be sure to drop me a line and tell me what you think!

== Need something deleted ==

I accidentally loaded the image for [[LIAB 20]] to [http://www.erfworld.com/wiki/index.php/File:LIAB_Text_20.jpg LIAB Text 20]. This is gonna cause some problems when the text updates get that far, so it needs to be deleted. I would've taken care of it myself, but I don't have the rights to.

I'll go ahead and send this off to [[User_Talk:Harknell|Harkenell]] too.

== On dealing with spambots ==

I noticed you banned a few IPs for spamming, so I went ahead and made a little category of other IP addresses that have spammed the wiki. Bans for them would be great too.
http://www.erfworld.com/wiki/index.php/Category:Spammer

So glad to see this. - [[User:Commander I. Heartly Noah|CIHN]]

== Glossary ==

Want to double check that the nameless user updating such things as Knight in the Glossary (29-30 Oct) was you. There are some things there that add to the known Canon and expand the Proposed Canon of multiple entries, and it would be nice to confirm these. - [[User:Commander I. Heartly Noah|CIHN]]

___We were working on the glossary with a team. Did you put an asterisk by EVERY entry? Those were indicating the entries that would go in the book. :P

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A '''glossary''' is a list of definitions for words.

*''[[Archon]]'' *
#A flying knight-class unit with a random special from the set of: dance fighting, leadership, and limited forms of Shockmancy, Thinkamancy, Dollamancy and Foolamancy.
*''[[Arkentool]]'' *
#One of a group of artifacts of great power, used by the Titans of Ark to create Erfworld. There are currently four known Arkentools.

*''[[Artifact]]'' *
#A type of magical object that was not made by mortal hands; objects that pop in ruins or objects created by the Titans of Ark are both examples of artifacts.

*''[[Boop]]'' *
#Used in place of swear words, particularly those used by Parson.

*''[[Capital]]'' *
#A specific type of city. There are certain functions that can only be performed in a Capital.

*''[[Capital site]]'' *
#A specific location wherein a capital city or normal city can be built.

*''[[Caster]]'' *
#A commander unit capable of using magic.

*''[[City]]'' *
#A specific location that is fortified and can produce units; cities are not merely collections of buildings. Cities have a level between one and five.

*''Cloth Golem'' *
#A large heavy unit, often shaped like a stuffed animal.

*''[[Croak]]'' *
#Erfworld's version of "kill".

*''[[Croakamancy]]'' *
#Branch of the magical class Naughtymancy used to, among other things, re-animate croaked units. A Caster that specializes in Croakamancy is called a Croakamancer.

*''[[Daemons]]''
#A type of unit that belongs to a non-capital side.

*''[[Decrypted]]''
#A type of enhanced uncroaked created by [[Wanda Firebaugh]] after her attunement to the Arkenpliers.

*''[[Dirtamancy]]'' *
#Branch of the magical class [[Stuffamancy]] dealing with the movement of earth. Can create and heal certain types of golems. A Caster that specializes in Dirtamancy is called a Dirtamancer.

*''[[Doombat]]'' *
#A type of large flying bat unit; has a natural Thinkamancy ability for a warlord to see though its eyes.

*''[[Dwagon]]'' *
#A creature that resembles the mythical dragons of Earth.

*''[[Elf]]'' *
#Any of several types of humanoid units that belong to non-capital sides.

*''[[Erfworld]]'' *
#A webcomic produced by [[Rob Balder]], [[Jamie Noguchi]], and [[Xin Ye]].
#The game-like world in which above webcomic takes place.

*''Erfworlder''
#Any native of Erfworld.

*''[[Eyebook]]'' *
#A method of instant messaging, whereby subvocalized words between two users appear in a book.
#A magic item created via Eyemancy.

*''[[Foolamancy]]'' *
#Branch of the magical class Eyemancy that is used to, among other things, create illusions and otherwise conceal reality. A Caster the specializes in Foolamancy is called a Foolamancer.

*''[[Giant]]s''
#Any of several types of humanoid units that belong to non-capital sides.

*''[[Gobwin]]s'' *
#A type of humanoid unit that belong to non-capital sides.

*''[[Gump]]'' *
#A non-humanoid [[Heavy Unit]] that resembles an animated tree.

*''[[Gwiffon]]'' *
#A gelatin based flying creature. Used as a mount in Erfworld similar to griffins in fantasy books and games.

*''[[Hamstard]]'' *
#The main (and only) character in Parson Gotti's webcomic, "Hamstard, the Bastard Hamster." The image of this fat, foul-mouthed rodent is used as Parson's "crest."

*''[[Heavy Unit|Heavy]]'' *
#A large, powerful unit.

*''[[Hex]]'' *
#A specific measure of terrain contained within a hexagonal border which composes Erfworld. Depending on the type of terrain, a variable amount of move is consumed upon entering the hex. It has also been implied that each hex has its own timeline.

*''[[Heir]]''
#A unit that is meant to become the ruler of a side in the event of the current ruler's death.

*''[[Hobgobwin]]s'' *
#A type of humanoid unit that belong to non-capital sides.

*''[[Holla]]''
#A type of Heavy unit.

*''Humanoid''
#Any unit that has two arms, two legs, and a head, all connected by a torso.

*''[[King]]''
#A male Ruler of [[Royal]] decent.

*''[[Magic Item]]'' *
#A type of magical object that was created by a mortal: the Eyebooks in use by Gobwin Knob or a scroll containing a spell are examples of magic items.

*''[[Marbit]]s'' *
#A type of humanoid unit that belong to non-capital sides.

*''[[Mercenary]]''
#A professional soldier hired to serve in a foreign army.

*''[[Megalogwiff]]''
#A type of flying heavy mount, they appear to be simply gigantic Gwiffons.

*''[[Men]]''
#The predominant race of Erfworld.

*''[[Mount]]''
#A unit that can be ridden by another, allowing the rider to use the mount's Move in place of their own.

*''[[Moneymancy]]''
#A branch of the magical Class [[Clevermancy]] that deals with money. Increasing the level of a City, and turning Shmuckers directly into units are both abilities of Moneymancy. A caster that specializes in Moneymancy is called a Moneymancer.

*''[[Move]]'' *
#The amount of hexes which a unit can travel in a turn, depending on the type of terrain which makes up the hex.

*''[[Noble]]'' *
#A Commander unit popped to a royal side, in a city other than the capital.

*''[[Orly]]'' *
#A type of flying owl unit which communicates via chatspeak. Named for the "Orly" sound they make as they fly.

*''[[Overlord]]'' *
#A Ruler with no Royal or Noble lineage.

*''[[Pop]]'' *
#Erfworld equivalent to birth. Erfworlders pop in their most mature state and do not show signs of aging.

*''[[Queen]]''
#A female Ruler of [[Royal]] decent.

*''[[Rand]]'' *
#A unit of barter credit used in the Magic Kingdom

*''[[Shmuckers]]'' *
#Erfworld's main unit of currency.

*''[[Side]]'' *
#A group of units, and/or cites grouped together.

*''[[Sourmander]]'' *
#A type of pink, acid spitting, lizard heavy mount.

*''[[Spidew]]'' *
#A type Spider-like heavy unit.

*''[[Stack]]'' *
#A formation of units within a hex that share bonuses. Every unit is a stack receive a bonus for every unit in the stack up to eight.

*''[[Stupid Meal]]''
#Food which pops for Parson at the beginning of each turn. Each meal contains some useful information about Erfworld.

*''[[Raiment]]''
#Clothing.

*''[[Ruler]]''
#The highest ranking unit on a side; the ruler commands all other units of that side.

*''TBfGK''
#Acronym for [http://www.erfworld.com/wiki/index.php/Plot_Summary#Book_1:_The_Battle_for_Gobwin_Knob The Battle for Gobwin Knob].

*''[[Tchotchke]]'' *
#A heavy unit which looks like a partially transparent animal.

*''[[Titan|The Titans of Ark]]'' *
#The beings that created Erfworld; they are worshiped by mortal Erfworlders.

*''[[Treasury]]'' *
#A non-physical construct of natural [[Moneymancy]] that houses a Side's total accumulated Shmuckers.

*''[[Turn]]'' *
#The period of time in which a side's units can move.
#To change sides or abandon one's side.

*''[[Twoll]]'' *
#A type of humanoid Heavy unit with the Fabrication special ability, making it capable of producing minor non-magical objects with natural [[Dollamancy]].

*''[[Uncroaked]]'' *
#A unit which has been reanimated by a Croakamancer. Uncroaked have no free will, can only obey simple, specific instructions, and decay over a series of turns.

*''[[Unipegataur]]'' *
#A flying non-humanoid mount, they appear to be a creature with the lower body of a winged horse and a humanoid torso and arms with a horn on its forehead.

*''[[Unit]]'' *
#An animate being capable of combat: pretty much any being in Erfworld.

*''[[Warlord]]'' *
#A unit with Leadership.

*''[[Witches]]''
#A type of unit that belongs to a non-capital side.

*''[[Wiener-Rammer]]'' *
#A type of non-humanoid siege unit, the resemble large dogs with the horns of a ram.

[[Category:Comic]]

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A '''glossary''' is a list of definitions for words.

*''[[Archon]]'' *
#Powerful flying unit with natural Thinkamancy powers.

*''[[Arkentool]]'' *
#One of a group of artifacts of great power, used by the Titans of Ark to create Erfworld. There are currently four known Arkentools.

*''[[Artifact]]'' *
#A type of magical object that was not made by mortal hands; objects that pop in ruins or objects created by the Titans of Ark are both examples of artifacts.

*''[[Boop]]'' *
#Used in place of swear words, particularly those used by Parson.

*''[[Capital]]'' *
#A specific type of city. There are certain functions that can only be performed in a Capital.

*''[[Capital site]]'' *
#A specific location wherein a capital city or normal city can be built.

*''[[Caster]]'' *
#A commander unit capable of using magic.

*''[[City]]'' *
#A specific location that is fortified and can produce units; cities are not merely collections of buildings. Cities have a level between one and five.

*''Cloth Golem'' *
#A large heavy unit, often shaped like a stuffed animal.

*''[[Croak]]'' *
#Erfworld's version of "kill".

*''[[Croakamancy]]'' *
#Branch of the magical class Naughtymancy used to, among other things, re-animate croaked units. A Caster that specializes in Croakamancy is called a Croakamancer.

*''[[Daemons]]''
#A type of unit that belongs to a non-capital side.

*''[[Decrypted]]''
#A type of enhanced uncroaked created by [[Wanda Firebaugh]] after her attunement to the Arkenpliers.

*''[[Dirtamancy]]'' *
#Branch of the magical class [[Stuffamancy]] dealing with the movement of earth. Can create and heal certain types of golems. A Caster that specializes in Dirtamancy is called a Dirtamancer.

*''[[Doombat]]'' *
#A type of large flying bat unit; has a natural Thinkamancy ability for a warlord to see though its eyes.

*''[[Dwagon]]'' *
#A creature that resembles the mythical dragons of Earth.

*''[[Elf]]'' *
#Any of several types of humanoid units that belong to non-capital sides.

*''[[Erfworld]]'' *
#A webcomic produced by [[Rob Balder]], [[Jamie Noguchi]], and [[Xin Ye]].
#The game-like world in which above webcomic takes place.

*''Erfworlder''
#Any native of Erfworld.

*''[[Eyebook]]'' *
#A method of instant messaging, whereby subvocalized words between two users appear in a book.
#A magic item created via Eyemancy.

*''[[Foolamancy]]'' *
#Branch of the magical class Eyemancy that is used to, among other things, create illusions and otherwise conceal reality. A Caster the specializes in Foolamancy is called a Foolamancer.

*''[[Giant]]s''
#Any of several types of humanoid units that belong to non-capital sides.

*''[[Gobwin]]s'' *
#A type of humanoid unit that belong to non-capital sides.

*''[[Gump]]'' *
#A non-humanoid [[Heavy Unit]] that resembles an animated tree.

*''[[Gwiffon]]'' *
#A gelatin based flying creature. Used as a mount in Erfworld similar to griffins in fantasy books and games.

*''[[Hamstard]]'' *
#The main (and only) character in Parson Gotti's webcomic, "Hamstard, the Bastard Hamster." The image of this fat, foul-mouthed rodent is used as Parson's "crest."

*''[[Heavy Unit|Heavy]]'' *
#A large, powerful unit.

*''[[Hex]]'' *
#A specific measure of terrain contained within a hexagonal border which composes Erfworld. Depending on the type of terrain, a variable amount of move is consumed upon entering the hex. It has also been implied that each hex has its own timeline.

*''[[Heir]]''
#A unit that is meant to become the ruler of a side in the event of the current ruler's death.

*''[[Hobgobwin]]s'' *
#A type of humanoid unit that belong to non-capital sides.

*''[[Holla]]''
#A type of Heavy unit.

*''Humanoid''
#Any unit that has two arms, two legs, and a head, all connected by a torso.

*''[[King]]''
#A male Ruler of [[Royal]] decent.

*''[[Magic Item]]'' *
#A type of magical object that was created by a mortal: the Eyebooks in use by Gobwin Knob or a scroll containing a spell are examples of magic items.

*''[[Marbit]]s'' *
#A type of humanoid unit that belong to non-capital sides.

*''[[Mercenary]]''
#A professional soldier hired to serve in a foreign army.

*''[[Megalogwiff]]''
#A type of flying heavy mount, they appear to be simply gigantic Gwiffons.

*''[[Men]]''
#The predominant race of Erfworld.

*''[[Mount]]''
#A unit that can be ridden by another, allowing the rider to use the mount's Move in place of their own.

*''[[Moneymancy]]''
#A branch of the magical Class [[Clevermancy]] that deals with money. Increasing the level of a City, and turning Shmuckers directly into units are both abilities of Moneymancy. A caster that specializes in Moneymancy is called a Moneymancer.

*''[[Move]]'' *
#The amount of hexes which a unit can travel in a turn, depending on the type of terrain which makes up the hex.

*''[[Orly]]'' *
#A type of flying owl unit which communicates via chatspeak. Named for the "Orly" sound they make as they fly.

*''[[Overlord]]'' *
#A Ruler with no Royal or Noble lineage.

*''[[Pop]]'' *
#Erfworld equivalent to birth. Erfworlders pop in their most mature state and do not show signs of aging.

*''[[Queen]]''
#A female Ruler of [[Royal]] decent.

*''[[Rand]]'' *
#A unit of barter credit used in the Magic Kingdom

*''[[Shmuckers]]'' *
#Erfworld's main unit of currency.

*''[[Side]]'' *
#A group of units, and/or cites grouped together.

*''[[Sourmander]]'' *
#A type of pink, acid spitting, lizard heavy mount.

*''[[Spidew]]'' *
#A type Spider-like heavy unit.

*''[[Stack]]'' *
#A formation of units within a hex that share bonuses. Every unit is a stack receive a bonus for every unit in the stack up to eight.

*''[[Stupid Meal]]''
#Food which pops for Parson at the beginning of each turn. Each meal contains some useful information about Erfworld.

*''[[Raiment]]''
#Clothing.

*''[[Ruler]]''
#The highest ranking unit on a side; the ruler commands all other units of that side.

*''TBfGK''
#Acronym for [http://www.erfworld.com/wiki/index.php/Plot_Summary#Book_1:_The_Battle_for_Gobwin_Knob The Battle for Gobwin Knob].

*''[[Tchotchke]]'' *
#A heavy unit which looks like a partially transparent animal.

*''[[Titan|The Titans of Ark]]'' *
#The beings that created Erfworld; they are worshiped by mortal Erfworlders.

*''[[Treasury]]'' *
#A non-physical construct of natural [[Moneymancy]] that houses a Side's total accumulated Shmuckers.

*''[[Turn]]'' *
#The period of time in which a side's units can move.
#To change sides or abandon one's side.

*''[[Twoll]]'' *
#A type of humanoid Heavy unit with the Fabrication special ability, making it capable of producing minor non-magical objects with natural [[Dollamancy]].

*''[[Uncroaked]]'' *
#A unit which has been reanimated by a Croakamancer. Uncroaked have no free will, can only obey simple, specific instructions, and decay over a series of turns.

*''[[Unipegataur]]'' *
#A flying non-humanoid mount, they appear to be a creature with the lower body of a winged horse and a humanoid torso and arms with a horn on its forehead.

*''[[Unit]]'' *
#An animate being capable of combat: pretty much any being in Erfworld.

*''[[Warlord]]'' *
#A unit with Leadership.

*''[[Witches]]''
#A type of unit that belongs to a non-capital side.

*''[[Wiener-Rammer]]'' *
#A type of non-humanoid siege unit, the resemble large dogs with the horns of a ram.

[[Category:Comic]]

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==References==
In trying to get the reflist template to work (aka, copy in the template code), I'm wondering if it's to do with [http://www.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum:Template:Reflist&t=20080321150150 this] change to Common.css not having been done? Or am I missing something terribly simple? --[[User:OniExpress|OniExpress]] 04:31, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
:Using new-style references via <nowiki><ref>, <references> and {{reflist}}</nowiki> requires [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite/Cite.php Cite.php] to be installed. Without it, your best bet is to convert the page to use the older [[Wikipedia:Template:Ref|Ref]]/[[Wikipedia:Template:Note|Note]] system. Cheers! —[[User:Revenant|Revenant]][[User talk:Revenant|Talk]] 12:01, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
::So far we have been using a simple workaround: <nowiki>[http://www.google.com]</nowiki> displays [http://www.google.com]. It might not look as good as Wikipedia references, but at least it is easy to do plus it does the numbering automatically. If somebody comes with a better idea it would be nice. Just keep it simple, please! :) -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 15:32, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

== Images ==

A question I wanted to pose. I was thinking that images in some of the wikis here would be nice; not so much that they are strictly necessary (it's horribly unlikely that someone would see a wiki here before the relevant entry in the comic itself), but it strikes me that they would be beneficial in a few places. But obviously it's not my or any of our art, and regardless that you maintain/gain the rights of anything entered here, I figured this was a question better asked before rather than after. Oh, and I honestly haven't even checked to see if file uploads are an activated feature here yet, but who fusses over the little details like that? :P --[[User:OniExpress|OniExpress]] 01:34, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah Images are awesome and anything is fair game. I'm even going so far as to say I'm not going to question the use of copyrighted images we don't own until the owner objects to their use here, for now. That policy is subject to change. --[[User:Balder|Balder]] 06:32, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

:It looks like someone's going to have to enable uploading before we can add any image files. [[User:Henry|Henry]] 07:45, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

::Image files now enabled and tested. Working! --[[User:Balder|Balder]] 13:46, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

:::Thanks! =) [[User:Henry|Henry]] 01:33, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

:::Thanks for that as well. :) They arn't necessary, and I didn't want to step on any toes with the matter. The [[Titans]] wiki made me think of it the most initially. I'll get some work done editing images down to proper proportions tomorrow afternoon. --[[User:OniExpress|OniExpress]] 00:54, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

==Canon, proposed canon and speculation==
Hi Rob! Several questions here:
*You created a page for [[Croaking]]. Can we automatically consider the text that you wrote a [[Canon]] since it is the "Word of God"?
*You have written quite a lot of information on the [http://www.giantitp.com/forums/ GitP forums]. I see it as pretty valuable for readers since it is the "Word of God", basically. I do not know about Rich's plans about the Erfworld forum on the GitP forums, but I assume there is a chance it might not last. Can we save your messages in some form in this Wiki, for example as [[Word of God]] article with references to the GitP forum posts? I guess it would make it possible to refer to it as to.. well, the Word of God. What do you think?
*<s>There is some information on this Wiki that is taken right from the comic (for example, magic disciplines in [[Magic]]). Would that be Speculation or Proposed Canon? Can unambiguous information with references to comic strips (like [[Caesar Borgata]] is [[Chief Warlord]] to [[Transylvito]][http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0125.html]) be considered Proposed Canon?</s> 
Thank you! -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 14:07, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
: UPD: Sorry, I have not read the [[Main_Page#Rules|rules]] well enough. I think Speculation and Proposed Canon are explained quite explicitly there. -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 18:27, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
::UPD: I made the [[Word of God|page]]. Hope you don't mind. -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 21:12, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey Rob,
I'm not sure about what type(s) the [[Parsons_Plans|Parson's plans]] article and related articles should be. They're unlikely to directly become canon, or proposed canon, but are mostly different from pure speculation, as the links can be fairly obvious but not completely spelled out by the comic/word of God.
Thanks, [[User:Doran|Doran]] 00:56, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
:Hm, dunno. I guess they're another type of page, a list page? [[User:Balder|Balder]] 23:07, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

==Luckmancy vs Luckamancy==
Hi Rob! 
On one occasion this discipline of Magic is call [http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0040.html Luckmancy] (and apparently Luckmancers). On [http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0142.html others] it is [http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0142.html LuckAmancy] and [http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0060.html Luckamancers]. What is the right name? -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 08:01, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
:Luckamancy is right. Much like "Vinny" is right and I know at least one "Vinnie" got through lettering. We'll need some help rounding up all bloopers.

==Plot Summary from Wikipedia==
Hi Rob! 
I think I managed to copy the current article + 2 earlier versions of the plot summary from the Wikipedia. I copied the text to [[Wikipedia|this article]]. In the next few days I (and whoever willing to help) will try to merge the three versions. I suppose we can then copy the plot summary to a [[Plot Summary|separate page]]. 
Please let know if we can provide any further assistance. -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 09:43, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
: Awesome Muzzafar, thanks for all your hard work! [[User:Balder|Balder]] 05:36, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
:: It's my pleasure! I really appreciate your appreciation. :D
:: I did my best to combine the three revisions of the plot summary and copied it over [[Plot Summary|here]].
:: I guess we could also use [http://knol.google.com/k/robert-balder/erfworld/23skug9txczm1/2# your knol] to further improve the plot summary, couldn't we? Please advise. -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 15:55, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
::: Sure, though SteveMB wrote most of the knol. I should be doing more with that as well. We'll make it a priority after we launch and get the bugs out. But yes, I would like to see a very detailed plot summary, and eventually a wiki article annotating every page. There's enough to keep many people busy here for a long time! [[User:Balder|Balder]] 16:58, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

== Hippiemancy ==

Is the Fate Axis of Hippiemancy supposed to be 'Singamancy' or 'Signamancy'? It is shown as 'Signamancy' in the magic axis Klog[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0040.html]. -- [[User:Ichthus|Ichthus]] 17:27, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
: Signamancy. Like the Peace sign, man. Like the protest sign, man. Signs, signs, everywhere a sign. Far out. [[User:Balder|Balder]] 17:32, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

== Descriptive Table of Contents ==
I took the liberty to update the [[Descriptive Table of Contents]]. -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 17:50, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

== Page Annotation ==
Started [[Page Annotation]] project. I guess we need your contribution (in form of guidance and advice). -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 11:26, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

==Fan Created Stuff==
Rob, could you please add a section to the main page concerning people adding fan-created pages.
Someone added [[Feildebeat|these]] [[Boogiemen|ones]], so for now I added <nowiki>[[Category:Fan Created]]</nowiki> it, and added "Fan " in front of the categories. --[[User:Doran|Doran]] 00:24, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:As per discussion with the Balder, I've expanded on your work, Doran. There are now three classes of fan material, with catchy names. [[ErfWiki:Fanon|Fanon]], [[ErfWiki:Banon|Banon]], and the intermediate [[ErfWiki:Forked Fanon|'forked up' fanon]]. Hope I got those more or less right, Rob; it's late so I may have jumbled something. --> '''[[User:Erk|ERK!]]'''|[[User_talk:Erk|eyeBook me]] 04:48, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

== Actual Game ==

Let me preface this by saying that I know that the comic and the game are separate. You are aiming to tell a story and its a darn good one so far.

However, as an avid gamer and amateur game designer, I can't help but notice there's a very compelling and rather robust system behind the story. I also see that you're a game designer by trade. I was wondering... Are there were plans to take the Erfworld setting/system and turn it into an ACTUAL game? I know that I would buy it if it was. I'm certain others would as well.

Just curious.

-Tug
:This wiki is going to be used to work out a final set of game mechanics and tables which is consistent with the comic, and internally logical as well. Then we can use that as the basis for several types of games, developed by third parties and/or fans, with my guidance. That's the theory, anyway. More direction on that coming in a little while. [[User:Balder|Balder]] 09:18, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

== Analysis ==

Please can you edit the main page to add the [[Analysis]] category, thanks -- [[User:Doran|Doran]] 22:02, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

== Online Game ==

Dear Rob and Jamie,

I recently started work on a strategy game that can be played online with a web browser. For now, this is a hobby project that I'm doing in my spare time to play with my friends.. The basic concept is that it will be turn-based BUT asynchronous. A turn will last a day, and players can log on any time during the day to move their units and order production. In fact, they can log on many times, if they want to order units that still have some moves left. In fact, it could be that two sides are moving their units around in the same minute...

The game code is in early stages at this time: it can render a map, shows some unit stacks, you can move them around and claim cities for your side, but that's about it. There's a minimap that can scroll the screen and shows cities and unit stacks. There's no movement limit, no turns, can't manipulate stacks, yet, etc. On the bright side, it's done in pure javascript without
plugins like Java or Flash. :)

You can take a look at the current work-in-progress here:

* http://apocalypse.rulez.org/~upi/CitiesOfApocalypse/Game.pl
* http://apocalypse.rulez.org/~upi/CitiesOfApocalypse/Game.pl?map=swamp
* http://apocalypse.rulez.org/~upi/CitiesOfApocalypse/Game.pl?map=desert
* http://apocalypse.rulez.org/~upi/CitiesOfApocalypse/Game.pl?map=winter
* http://apocalypse.rulez.org/~upi/CitiesOfApocalypse/Game.pl?map=large

(The terrain and unit graphics are from "Battle for Wesnoth"; the cities are from an older game which is why they look so out of place...)

As you can see, this is a world without any actual mechanics at this time. The question is: would you be interested in creating an online Erfworld game that your readers could play on the erfworld website? I think the emerging Erfworld mechanics are great, it would be cool to do this project with this setting. If you aren't interested, I will just make up my own rules for the game. :)

-- [[User:UPi|UPi]] 10:02, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

UPi, that's really fabulous looking! It's probably worth mentioning that it's going to be quite difficult to port to Internet Explorer, though, even IE8. IE doesn't support the canvas tag natively :-( It's possible to use it through an external library, but last I heard it's quite slow.

Good work on the game, though! I'm very impressed with things like the route planning, and it really does look just like Wesnoth, which is quite impressive in itself.

-- [[User:Angelbob|Angelbob]] 12:52, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't actually have time to work on anything like an Erfworld game, and won't until late into 2010 when the Book 2 script and other projects should be complete. Also, we ultimately want to work with a pro firm, and license Erfworld to them for a major commercial game. That definitely does not mean we don't want to see startup and fan and homebrew projects like this one. I just can't spare any mindshare to work on them personally. Very sorry!

-- [[User:Balder|Balder]] 06:36, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

== Juuni Kokki ==

On an unrelated note: have you seen (or read) "12 Kingdoms" ("Juuni Kokki")? The story shares some of the basic concepts of Erfworld: a person (Parson :) from our contemporary reality gets swept away from his (or, in Juuni Kokki's case, her)
ordinary life into another world. This world is significantly different from our own, for example, people are not gestate in a woman's womb (in JK they grow like fruit on special trees).

Also, this person finds himself/herself in the situation that he/she must now command an entire kingdom. However, he/she must first learn the rules and the logic of the new world, with the help of his/her advisors, not all of which wish him/her well.
It takes plenty of trial and error before the true nature of the world is understood and the new ruler often feels out of place. In the end, he/she realizes that he/she was even MORE out of place in what he/she thought was the "real world".

This context, of course, if a great storytelling tool, as the audience of the story is introduced to the world's quirks and concepts gradually, learning them along with the story's main character, often left to wonder if how he would behave and react in a situation like this.

-- [[User:UPi|UPi]] 10:04, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, never read/seen it. I may look it up, though. Sounds cool.

-- [[User:Balder|Balder]] 06:39, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

== New Main Page ==

Hey, I cobbled together something that I think would make a great replacement for the boring 'ol main paige we currently got.
[[User:Miment/Main]] I think it's pretty much ready to go up. What do you think? Any changes you want me to make? You'll still want to have it protected, and the templates it references too. Those templates are
<pre>{{improvementdrive}}</pre>[[Template:Improvementdrive]]
<pre>{{Didyouknow}}</pre>[[Template:Didyouknow]]
<pre>{{featured article}}</pre>[[Template:Featured_article]]
<pre>{{Latest Update}}</pre>[[Template:Latest_Update]]

Now, I haven't had time to get every link on the page working, but it's technicly morning over here and I gotta get some sleep. I'll have them all working tomorrow. I'm also gonna show this to the other admin. [[User:Miment|Miment]] 08:12, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

:This looks pretty brilliant, Miment. I'd like to see something like this implemented and soon. My only concerns are that the guiding philosophy and rules about fanon and stuff is clear to editors. And your choice of article raises the real problem of spoilers. Mentioning the volcano uncroaking on the main page of the wiki would definitely be uncool. How can we prevent that kind of thing? Thanks for your hard work on this. [[User:Balder|Balder]] 10:45, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
::I'll see what I can do about keeping the guidelines clear. Do you want all the info off the main page, or just like "purpose" and "Making Stuff Up"?

::As for spoilers in the featured article, that's gonna be a whole lot harder. Basically all the knowledge we have about Erfworld comes from happenings in the the story, so unless we only feature Fanon or rules/mechanics pages, spoilers are gonna leak through. Careful editing of the featured article section can keep out the big ones, like the volcano.
::[[User:Miment|Miment]] 18:25, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Maybe a prominently featured "New to Erfwiki? Start here" with a link to a page that contains most/all of the info that is on the current main page. [[User:Balder|Balder]] 20:21, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

User talk:Balder

2009-10-30T10:45:11Z

Balder: /* New Main Page */

==References==
In trying to get the reflist template to work (aka, copy in the template code), I'm wondering if it's to do with [http://www.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum:Template:Reflist&t=20080321150150 this] change to Common.css not having been done? Or am I missing something terribly simple? --[[User:OniExpress|OniExpress]] 04:31, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
:Using new-style references via <nowiki><ref>, <references> and {{reflist}}</nowiki> requires [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite/Cite.php Cite.php] to be installed. Without it, your best bet is to convert the page to use the older [[Wikipedia:Template:Ref|Ref]]/[[Wikipedia:Template:Note|Note]] system. Cheers! —[[User:Revenant|Revenant]][[User talk:Revenant|Talk]] 12:01, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
::So far we have been using a simple workaround: <nowiki>[http://www.google.com]</nowiki> displays [http://www.google.com]. It might not look as good as Wikipedia references, but at least it is easy to do plus it does the numbering automatically. If somebody comes with a better idea it would be nice. Just keep it simple, please! :) -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 15:32, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

== Images ==

A question I wanted to pose. I was thinking that images in some of the wikis here would be nice; not so much that they are strictly necessary (it's horribly unlikely that someone would see a wiki here before the relevant entry in the comic itself), but it strikes me that they would be beneficial in a few places. But obviously it's not my or any of our art, and regardless that you maintain/gain the rights of anything entered here, I figured this was a question better asked before rather than after. Oh, and I honestly haven't even checked to see if file uploads are an activated feature here yet, but who fusses over the little details like that? :P --[[User:OniExpress|OniExpress]] 01:34, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah Images are awesome and anything is fair game. I'm even going so far as to say I'm not going to question the use of copyrighted images we don't own until the owner objects to their use here, for now. That policy is subject to change. --[[User:Balder|Balder]] 06:32, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

:It looks like someone's going to have to enable uploading before we can add any image files. [[User:Henry|Henry]] 07:45, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

::Image files now enabled and tested. Working! --[[User:Balder|Balder]] 13:46, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

:::Thanks! =) [[User:Henry|Henry]] 01:33, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

:::Thanks for that as well. :) They arn't necessary, and I didn't want to step on any toes with the matter. The [[Titans]] wiki made me think of it the most initially. I'll get some work done editing images down to proper proportions tomorrow afternoon. --[[User:OniExpress|OniExpress]] 00:54, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

==Canon, proposed canon and speculation==
Hi Rob! Several questions here:
*You created a page for [[Croaking]]. Can we automatically consider the text that you wrote a [[Canon]] since it is the "Word of God"?
*You have written quite a lot of information on the [http://www.giantitp.com/forums/ GitP forums]. I see it as pretty valuable for readers since it is the "Word of God", basically. I do not know about Rich's plans about the Erfworld forum on the GitP forums, but I assume there is a chance it might not last. Can we save your messages in some form in this Wiki, for example as [[Word of God]] article with references to the GitP forum posts? I guess it would make it possible to refer to it as to.. well, the Word of God. What do you think?
*<s>There is some information on this Wiki that is taken right from the comic (for example, magic disciplines in [[Magic]]). Would that be Speculation or Proposed Canon? Can unambiguous information with references to comic strips (like [[Caesar Borgata]] is [[Chief Warlord]] to [[Transylvito]][http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0125.html]) be considered Proposed Canon?</s> 
Thank you! -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 14:07, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
: UPD: Sorry, I have not read the [[Main_Page#Rules|rules]] well enough. I think Speculation and Proposed Canon are explained quite explicitly there. -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 18:27, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
::UPD: I made the [[Word of God|page]]. Hope you don't mind. -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 21:12, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey Rob,
I'm not sure about what type(s) the [[Parsons_Plans|Parson's plans]] article and related articles should be. They're unlikely to directly become canon, or proposed canon, but are mostly different from pure speculation, as the links can be fairly obvious but not completely spelled out by the comic/word of God.
Thanks, [[User:Doran|Doran]] 00:56, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
:Hm, dunno. I guess they're another type of page, a list page? [[User:Balder|Balder]] 23:07, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

==Luckmancy vs Luckamancy==
Hi Rob! 
On one occasion this discipline of Magic is call [http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0040.html Luckmancy] (and apparently Luckmancers). On [http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0142.html others] it is [http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0142.html LuckAmancy] and [http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0060.html Luckamancers]. What is the right name? -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 08:01, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
:Luckamancy is right. Much like "Vinny" is right and I know at least one "Vinnie" got through lettering. We'll need some help rounding up all bloopers.

==Plot Summary from Wikipedia==
Hi Rob! 
I think I managed to copy the current article + 2 earlier versions of the plot summary from the Wikipedia. I copied the text to [[Wikipedia|this article]]. In the next few days I (and whoever willing to help) will try to merge the three versions. I suppose we can then copy the plot summary to a [[Plot Summary|separate page]]. 
Please let know if we can provide any further assistance. -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 09:43, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
: Awesome Muzzafar, thanks for all your hard work! [[User:Balder|Balder]] 05:36, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
:: It's my pleasure! I really appreciate your appreciation. :D
:: I did my best to combine the three revisions of the plot summary and copied it over [[Plot Summary|here]].
:: I guess we could also use [http://knol.google.com/k/robert-balder/erfworld/23skug9txczm1/2# your knol] to further improve the plot summary, couldn't we? Please advise. -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 15:55, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
::: Sure, though SteveMB wrote most of the knol. I should be doing more with that as well. We'll make it a priority after we launch and get the bugs out. But yes, I would like to see a very detailed plot summary, and eventually a wiki article annotating every page. There's enough to keep many people busy here for a long time! [[User:Balder|Balder]] 16:58, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

== Hippiemancy ==

Is the Fate Axis of Hippiemancy supposed to be 'Singamancy' or 'Signamancy'? It is shown as 'Signamancy' in the magic axis Klog[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0040.html]. -- [[User:Ichthus|Ichthus]] 17:27, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
: Signamancy. Like the Peace sign, man. Like the protest sign, man. Signs, signs, everywhere a sign. Far out. [[User:Balder|Balder]] 17:32, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

== Descriptive Table of Contents ==
I took the liberty to update the [[Descriptive Table of Contents]]. -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 17:50, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

== Page Annotation ==
Started [[Page Annotation]] project. I guess we need your contribution (in form of guidance and advice). -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 11:26, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

==Fan Created Stuff==
Rob, could you please add a section to the main page concerning people adding fan-created pages.
Someone added [[Feildebeat|these]] [[Boogiemen|ones]], so for now I added <nowiki>[[Category:Fan Created]]</nowiki> it, and added "Fan " in front of the categories. --[[User:Doran|Doran]] 00:24, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:As per discussion with the Balder, I've expanded on your work, Doran. There are now three classes of fan material, with catchy names. [[ErfWiki:Fanon|Fanon]], [[ErfWiki:Banon|Banon]], and the intermediate [[ErfWiki:Forked Fanon|'forked up' fanon]]. Hope I got those more or less right, Rob; it's late so I may have jumbled something. --> '''[[User:Erk|ERK!]]'''|[[User_talk:Erk|eyeBook me]] 04:48, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

== Actual Game ==

Let me preface this by saying that I know that the comic and the game are separate. You are aiming to tell a story and its a darn good one so far.

However, as an avid gamer and amateur game designer, I can't help but notice there's a very compelling and rather robust system behind the story. I also see that you're a game designer by trade. I was wondering... Are there were plans to take the Erfworld setting/system and turn it into an ACTUAL game? I know that I would buy it if it was. I'm certain others would as well.

Just curious.

-Tug
:This wiki is going to be used to work out a final set of game mechanics and tables which is consistent with the comic, and internally logical as well. Then we can use that as the basis for several types of games, developed by third parties and/or fans, with my guidance. That's the theory, anyway. More direction on that coming in a little while. [[User:Balder|Balder]] 09:18, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

== Analysis ==

Please can you edit the main page to add the [[Analysis]] category, thanks -- [[User:Doran|Doran]] 22:02, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

== Online Game ==

Dear Rob and Jamie,

I recently started work on a strategy game that can be played online with a web browser. For now, this is a hobby project that I'm doing in my spare time to play with my friends.. The basic concept is that it will be turn-based BUT asynchronous. A turn will last a day, and players can log on any time during the day to move their units and order production. In fact, they can log on many times, if they want to order units that still have some moves left. In fact, it could be that two sides are moving their units around in the same minute...

The game code is in early stages at this time: it can render a map, shows some unit stacks, you can move them around and claim cities for your side, but that's about it. There's a minimap that can scroll the screen and shows cities and unit stacks. There's no movement limit, no turns, can't manipulate stacks, yet, etc. On the bright side, it's done in pure javascript without
plugins like Java or Flash. :)

You can take a look at the current work-in-progress here:

* http://apocalypse.rulez.org/~upi/CitiesOfApocalypse/Game.pl
* http://apocalypse.rulez.org/~upi/CitiesOfApocalypse/Game.pl?map=swamp
* http://apocalypse.rulez.org/~upi/CitiesOfApocalypse/Game.pl?map=desert
* http://apocalypse.rulez.org/~upi/CitiesOfApocalypse/Game.pl?map=winter
* http://apocalypse.rulez.org/~upi/CitiesOfApocalypse/Game.pl?map=large

(The terrain and unit graphics are from "Battle for Wesnoth"; the cities are from an older game which is why they look so out of place...)

As you can see, this is a world without any actual mechanics at this time. The question is: would you be interested in creating an online Erfworld game that your readers could play on the erfworld website? I think the emerging Erfworld mechanics are great, it would be cool to do this project with this setting. If you aren't interested, I will just make up my own rules for the game. :)

-- [[User:UPi|UPi]] 10:02, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

UPi, that's really fabulous looking! It's probably worth mentioning that it's going to be quite difficult to port to Internet Explorer, though, even IE8. IE doesn't support the canvas tag natively :-( It's possible to use it through an external library, but last I heard it's quite slow.

Good work on the game, though! I'm very impressed with things like the route planning, and it really does look just like Wesnoth, which is quite impressive in itself.

-- [[User:Angelbob|Angelbob]] 12:52, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't actually have time to work on anything like an Erfworld game, and won't until late into 2010 when the Book 2 script and other projects should be complete. Also, we ultimately want to work with a pro firm, and license Erfworld to them for a major commercial game. That definitely does not mean we don't want to see startup and fan and homebrew projects like this one. I just can't spare any mindshare to work on them personally. Very sorry!

-- [[User:Balder|Balder]] 06:36, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

== Juuni Kokki ==

On an unrelated note: have you seen (or read) "12 Kingdoms" ("Juuni Kokki")? The story shares some of the basic concepts of Erfworld: a person (Parson :) from our contemporary reality gets swept away from his (or, in Juuni Kokki's case, her)
ordinary life into another world. This world is significantly different from our own, for example, people are not gestate in a woman's womb (in JK they grow like fruit on special trees).

Also, this person finds himself/herself in the situation that he/she must now command an entire kingdom. However, he/she must first learn the rules and the logic of the new world, with the help of his/her advisors, not all of which wish him/her well.
It takes plenty of trial and error before the true nature of the world is understood and the new ruler often feels out of place. In the end, he/she realizes that he/she was even MORE out of place in what he/she thought was the "real world".

This context, of course, if a great storytelling tool, as the audience of the story is introduced to the world's quirks and concepts gradually, learning them along with the story's main character, often left to wonder if how he would behave and react in a situation like this.

-- [[User:UPi|UPi]] 10:04, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, never read/seen it. I may look it up, though. Sounds cool.

-- [[User:Balder|Balder]] 06:39, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

== New Main Page ==

Hey, I cobbled together something that I think would make a great replacement for the boring 'ol main paige we currently got.
[[User:Miment/Main]] I think it's pretty much ready to go up. What do you think? Any changes you want me to make? You'll still want to have it protected, and the templates it references too. Those templates are
<pre>{{improvementdrive}}</pre>[[Template:Improvementdrive]]
<pre>{{Didyouknow}}</pre>[[Template:Didyouknow]]
<pre>{{featured article}}</pre>[[Template:Featured_article]]
<pre>{{Latest Update}}</pre>[[Template:Latest_Update]]

Now, I haven't had time to get every link on the page working, but it's technicly morning over here and I gotta get some sleep. I'll have them all working tomorrow. I'm also gonna show this to the other admin. [[User:Miment|Miment]] 08:12, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

:This looks pretty brilliant, Miment. I'd like to see something like this implemented and soon. My only concerns are that the guiding philosophy and rules about fanon and stuff is clear to editors. And your choice of article raises the real problem of spoilers. Mentioning the volcano uncroaking on the main page of the wiki would definitely be uncool. How can we prevent that kind of thing? Thanks for your hard work on this. [[User:Balder|Balder]] 10:45, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

User talk:Balder

2009-09-15T06:39:06Z

Balder: /* Juuni Kokki */

User talk:Balder

2009-09-15T06:37:48Z

Balder: /* Online Game */

User talk:Balder

2009-09-15T06:36:56Z

Balder: /* Online Game */

==References==
In trying to get the reflist template to work (aka, copy in the template code), I'm wondering if it's to do with [http://www.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum:Template:Reflist&t=20080321150150 this] change to Common.css not having been done? Or am I missing something terribly simple? --[[User:OniExpress|OniExpress]] 04:31, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
:Using new-style references via <nowiki><ref>, <references> and {{reflist}}</nowiki> requires [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite/Cite.php Cite.php] to be installed. Without it, your best bet is to convert the page to use the older [[Wikipedia:Template:Ref|Ref]]/[[Wikipedia:Template:Note|Note]] system. Cheers! —[[User:Revenant|Revenant]][[User talk:Revenant|Talk]] 12:01, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
::So far we have been using a simple workaround: <nowiki>[http://www.google.com]</nowiki> displays [http://www.google.com]. It might not look as good as Wikipedia references, but at least it is easy to do plus it does the numbering automatically. If somebody comes with a better idea it would be nice. Just keep it simple, please! :) -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 15:32, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

== Images ==

A question I wanted to pose. I was thinking that images in some of the wikis here would be nice; not so much that they are strictly necessary (it's horribly unlikely that someone would see a wiki here before the relevant entry in the comic itself), but it strikes me that they would be beneficial in a few places. But obviously it's not my or any of our art, and regardless that you maintain/gain the rights of anything entered here, I figured this was a question better asked before rather than after. Oh, and I honestly haven't even checked to see if file uploads are an activated feature here yet, but who fusses over the little details like that? :P --[[User:OniExpress|OniExpress]] 01:34, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah Images are awesome and anything is fair game. I'm even going so far as to say I'm not going to question the use of copyrighted images we don't own until the owner objects to their use here, for now. That policy is subject to change. --[[User:Balder|Balder]] 06:32, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

:It looks like someone's going to have to enable uploading before we can add any image files. [[User:Henry|Henry]] 07:45, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

::Image files now enabled and tested. Working! --[[User:Balder|Balder]] 13:46, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

:::Thanks! =) [[User:Henry|Henry]] 01:33, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

:::Thanks for that as well. :) They arn't necessary, and I didn't want to step on any toes with the matter. The [[Titans]] wiki made me think of it the most initially. I'll get some work done editing images down to proper proportions tomorrow afternoon. --[[User:OniExpress|OniExpress]] 00:54, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

==Canon, proposed canon and speculation==
Hi Rob! Several questions here:
*You created a page for [[Croaking]]. Can we automatically consider the text that you wrote a [[Canon]] since it is the "Word of God"?
*You have written quite a lot of information on the [http://www.giantitp.com/forums/ GitP forums]. I see it as pretty valuable for readers since it is the "Word of God", basically. I do not know about Rich's plans about the Erfworld forum on the GitP forums, but I assume there is a chance it might not last. Can we save your messages in some form in this Wiki, for example as [[Word of God]] article with references to the GitP forum posts? I guess it would make it possible to refer to it as to.. well, the Word of God. What do you think?
*<s>There is some information on this Wiki that is taken right from the comic (for example, magic disciplines in [[Magic]]). Would that be Speculation or Proposed Canon? Can unambiguous information with references to comic strips (like [[Caesar Borgata]] is [[Chief Warlord]] to [[Transylvito]][http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0125.html]) be considered Proposed Canon?</s> 
Thank you! -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 14:07, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
: UPD: Sorry, I have not read the [[Main_Page#Rules|rules]] well enough. I think Speculation and Proposed Canon are explained quite explicitly there. -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 18:27, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
::UPD: I made the [[Word of God|page]]. Hope you don't mind. -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 21:12, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey Rob,
I'm not sure about what type(s) the [[Parsons_Plans|Parson's plans]] article and related articles should be. They're unlikely to directly become canon, or proposed canon, but are mostly different from pure speculation, as the links can be fairly obvious but not completely spelled out by the comic/word of God.
Thanks, [[User:Doran|Doran]] 00:56, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
:Hm, dunno. I guess they're another type of page, a list page? [[User:Balder|Balder]] 23:07, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

==Luckmancy vs Luckamancy==
Hi Rob! 
On one occasion this discipline of Magic is call [http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0040.html Luckmancy] (and apparently Luckmancers). On [http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0142.html others] it is [http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0142.html LuckAmancy] and [http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0060.html Luckamancers]. What is the right name? -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 08:01, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
:Luckamancy is right. Much like "Vinny" is right and I know at least one "Vinnie" got through lettering. We'll need some help rounding up all bloopers.

==Plot Summary from Wikipedia==
Hi Rob! 
I think I managed to copy the current article + 2 earlier versions of the plot summary from the Wikipedia. I copied the text to [[Wikipedia|this article]]. In the next few days I (and whoever willing to help) will try to merge the three versions. I suppose we can then copy the plot summary to a [[Plot Summary|separate page]]. 
Please let know if we can provide any further assistance. -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 09:43, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
: Awesome Muzzafar, thanks for all your hard work! [[User:Balder|Balder]] 05:36, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
:: It's my pleasure! I really appreciate your appreciation. :D
:: I did my best to combine the three revisions of the plot summary and copied it over [[Plot Summary|here]].
:: I guess we could also use [http://knol.google.com/k/robert-balder/erfworld/23skug9txczm1/2# your knol] to further improve the plot summary, couldn't we? Please advise. -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 15:55, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
::: Sure, though SteveMB wrote most of the knol. I should be doing more with that as well. We'll make it a priority after we launch and get the bugs out. But yes, I would like to see a very detailed plot summary, and eventually a wiki article annotating every page. There's enough to keep many people busy here for a long time! [[User:Balder|Balder]] 16:58, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

== Hippiemancy ==

Is the Fate Axis of Hippiemancy supposed to be 'Singamancy' or 'Signamancy'? It is shown as 'Signamancy' in the magic axis Klog[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0040.html]. -- [[User:Ichthus|Ichthus]] 17:27, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
: Signamancy. Like the Peace sign, man. Like the protest sign, man. Signs, signs, everywhere a sign. Far out. [[User:Balder|Balder]] 17:32, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

== Descriptive Table of Contents ==
I took the liberty to update the [[Descriptive Table of Contents]]. -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 17:50, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

== Page Annotation ==
Started [[Page Annotation]] project. I guess we need your contribution (in form of guidance and advice). -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 11:26, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

==Fan Created Stuff==
Rob, could you please add a section to the main page concerning people adding fan-created pages.
Someone added [[Feildebeat|these]] [[Boogiemen|ones]], so for now I added <nowiki>[[Category:Fan Created]]</nowiki> it, and added "Fan " in front of the categories. --[[User:Doran|Doran]] 00:24, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:As per discussion with the Balder, I've expanded on your work, Doran. There are now three classes of fan material, with catchy names. [[ErfWiki:Fanon|Fanon]], [[ErfWiki:Banon|Banon]], and the intermediate [[ErfWiki:Forked Fanon|'forked up' fanon]]. Hope I got those more or less right, Rob; it's late so I may have jumbled something. --> '''[[User:Erk|ERK!]]'''|[[User_talk:Erk|eyeBook me]] 04:48, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

== Actual Game ==

Let me preface this by saying that I know that the comic and the game are separate. You are aiming to tell a story and its a darn good one so far.

However, as an avid gamer and amateur game designer, I can't help but notice there's a very compelling and rather robust system behind the story. I also see that you're a game designer by trade. I was wondering... Are there were plans to take the Erfworld setting/system and turn it into an ACTUAL game? I know that I would buy it if it was. I'm certain others would as well.

Just curious.

-Tug
:This wiki is going to be used to work out a final set of game mechanics and tables which is consistent with the comic, and internally logical as well. Then we can use that as the basis for several types of games, developed by third parties and/or fans, with my guidance. That's the theory, anyway. More direction on that coming in a little while. [[User:Balder|Balder]] 09:18, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

== Analysis ==

Please can you edit the main page to add the [[Analysis]] category, thanks -- [[User:Doran|Doran]] 22:02, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

== Online Game ==

Dear Rob and Jamie,

I recently started work on a strategy game that can be played online with a web browser. For now, this is a hobby project that I'm doing in my spare time to play with my friends.. The basic concept is that it will be turn-based BUT asynchronous. A turn will last a day, and players can log on any time during the day to move their units and order production. In fact, they can log on many times, if they want to order units that still have some moves left. In fact, it could be that two sides are moving their units around in the same minute...

The game code is in early stages at this time: it can render a map, shows some unit stacks, you can move them around and claim cities for your side, but that's about it. There's a minimap that can scroll the screen and shows cities and unit stacks. There's no movement limit, no turns, can't manipulate stacks, yet, etc. On the bright side, it's done in pure javascript without
plugins like Java or Flash. :)

You can take a look at the current work-in-progress here:

* http://apocalypse.rulez.org/~upi/CitiesOfApocalypse/Game.pl
* http://apocalypse.rulez.org/~upi/CitiesOfApocalypse/Game.pl?map=swamp
* http://apocalypse.rulez.org/~upi/CitiesOfApocalypse/Game.pl?map=desert
* http://apocalypse.rulez.org/~upi/CitiesOfApocalypse/Game.pl?map=winter
* http://apocalypse.rulez.org/~upi/CitiesOfApocalypse/Game.pl?map=large

(The terrain and unit graphics are from "Battle for Wesnoth"; the cities are from an older game which is why they look so out of place...)

As you can see, this is a world without any actual mechanics at this time. The question is: would you be interested in creating an online Erfworld game that your readers could play on the erfworld website? I think the emerging Erfworld mechanics are great, it would be cool to do this project with this setting. If you aren't interested, I will just make up my own rules for the game. :)

-- [[User:UPi|UPi]] 10:02, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

UPi, that's really fabulous looking! It's probably worth mentioning that it's going to be quite difficult to port to Internet Explorer, though, even IE8. IE doesn't support the canvas tag natively :-( It's possible to use it through an external library, but last I heard it's quite slow.

Good work on the game, though! I'm very impressed with things like the route planning, and it really does look just like Wesnoth, which is quite impressive in itself.

-- [[User:Angelbob|Angelbob]] 12:52, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't actually have time to work on anything like an Erfworld game, and won't until late into 2010 when the Book 2 script and other projects should be complete. Also, we ultimately want to work with a pro firm, and license Erfworld to them for a major commercial game. That definitely does not mean we don't want to see startup and fan and homebrew projects like this one. I just can't spare any mindshare to work on them personally. Sorry. [[User:Balder|Balder]] 06:36, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

== Juuni Kokki ==

On an unrelated note: have you seen (or read) "12 Kingdoms" ("Juuni Kokki")? The story shares some of the basic concepts of Erfworld: a person (Parson :) from our contemporary reality gets swept away from his (or, in Juuni Kokki's case, her)
ordinary life into another world. This world is significantly different from our own, for example, people are not gestate in a woman's womb (in JK they grow like fruit on special trees).

Also, this person finds himself/herself in the situation that he/she must now command an entire kingdom. However, he/she must first learn the rules and the logic of the new world, with the help of his/her advisors, not all of which wish him/her well.
It takes plenty of trial and error before the true nature of the world is understood and the new ruler often feels out of place. In the end, he/she realizes that he/she was even MORE out of place in what he/she thought was the "real world".

This context, of course, if a great storytelling tool, as the audience of the story is introduced to the world's quirks and concepts gradually, learning them along with the story's main character, often left to wonder if how he would behave and react in a situation like this.

-- [[User:UPi|UPi]] 10:04, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Janis

2009-07-13T08:16:15Z

Balder:

You also forgot Janis Ian. :) [[User:Balder|Balder]] 08:16, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Janis

2009-07-13T08:16:02Z

Balder: Created page with 'You also forgot Janis Ian. :)'

You also forgot Janis Ian. :)

Talk:Ruins

2009-07-12T05:18:06Z

Balder:

Wanda passes over a ruin when she is flying Manpower home. Maybe we could get that pic on this article? [[User:Balder|Balder]] 05:18, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Pop

2009-07-11T09:14:29Z

Balder:

=Canon=
''To pop'', or ''popping'', is the term used within [[Erfworld]] for the spontaneous appearance of [[Unit]]s and objects.

==In Cities==

Units pop at the start of a [[Side|Side's]] turn, as part of the normal [[production]] of a city. Units pop with a set of non-magical [[equipment]] such as standard armor, weaponry, and clothing. Cities may randomly pop extra units, requiring the [[Ruler]] to decide to pay a one-time extra cost or [[disbanding|disband]] the unit.

==Rations and Unit Upkeep==

Units receive physical food [[ration|rations]] and other objects required for their daily functioning at the start of their turn. These objects may be consumed at any point in the day, or saved.

==Random Popping==

[[Barbarian]] units may also pop randomly in non-city hexes. Non-unit [[wildlife]] pops commonly, with the type, number, and frequency of the plants and animals dependent on the [[Terrain Type]]. [[Magic Item|Magic Items]], [[Artifacts]], and [[Gem|Gems]] may pop randomly in [[Ruins]] or the sites of [[sacking|sacked]] cities.

==Unpopping==

The disappearance of objects is called unpopping. This happens automagically to [[corpse|corpses]] of [[Croaking|Croaked]] units which are not [[Uncroaking|Uncroaked]], eaten, moved from the city or hex where they were croaked, or claimed as [[trophies]]. Unpopping of corpses happens at the start of the next turn their [[Side]] has. The disappearance of living units is called [[disbanding]].

=Speculation=
Food pops at the beginning of each day/turn. Assuming the [[side]] can pay for the [[upkeep]] of its [[unit]]s, every unit will automatically pop enough food to nourish it for that day. Food appears already cooked and needs no preparation.

Units, including [[Royal]] and [[Noble]] units, and presumably [[caster]]s as well, all pop in cities after a certain period of time. [[Warlord]]s can be popped, but doing so takes a long time, and as they can be designated, or promoted, from regular units, this means that the length of time needed for popping a warlord can be put to use popping normal unit.

The [[Ruler]] of each side controls the popping orders of his [[city]]. The specifics are unknown.

Units can pop at random outside of cites as [[barbarian]]s.

[[Category:Proposed Canon]]
[[Category:Speculation]]
[[Category:Erfworld Mechanics]]

Disbanding

2009-07-11T09:11:17Z

Balder:

==Canon==

Disbanding is an event that ends the existence of a [[Unit]], the equivalent of [[pop|unpopping]] for living units. The unit disappears without a trace, along with any non-magical equipment it may be wearing. Items not worn by the disbanded unit, [[Magic_Item|magic items]], and [[artifact|artifacts]], are left behind.

A unit may be disbanded when:
:1. the [[Ruler]] chooses to disband the unit.{{Erf|1|072}} This is instantaneous and permanent. It may be applied to any unit controlled by the ruler, wherever that unit is located.
:2. the unit is in the field when its ruler [[croaking|croaks]] without an [[heir]].{{Erf|1|098b}}
:3. the unit, while under a [[Loyalty]] spell, refuses an [[order]] or otherwise acts in a [[Thinkamancy#Natural_Thinkamancy|disloyal]] manner.{{Erf|1|084a}}

[[Category:Erfworld Mechanics]]
[[Category:Proposed Canon]]
[[Category:Speculation]]

Vurp

2009-06-19T22:01:36Z

Balder: /* Proposed Canon */

{{ImageStackRight|240|
{{Stats
|name= Vurp
|race= [[Hobgobwin]]
|class= [[Knight]]
|faction= [[Gobwin Knob]]
}}
}}

__TOC__

==Canon==

Vurp is a [[Hobgobwin]] from [[Gobwin Knob]], and rose to become a member of the [[Knights In Stanley's Service]]. He was selected by [[Stanley the Tool|Stanley]], as one of the top three [[Knight]]s among the KISS, to accompany him on his mission to [[Claiming a City|claim]] [[Faq]], and of the three, was the only survivor of their [[combat|encounter]] with the forces of [[Transylvito]], and returned to Gobwin Knob with Stanley, [[Jack Snipe]] and the six remaining [[Dwagons]].

==Speculation==

Given that a blue [[dwagon]] is seen with a rider retreating with [[Stanley]] and [[Jack Snipe|Jack]] in [[TBFGK_116:3|TBFGK page 116, panel 3]], and there were only three [[Knights in Stanley's Service]] in the battle group heading toward Faq riding a green, blue and purple dwagon (seen in [[TBFGK_111:11|TBFGK page 111, panel 11]], then it is likely that the Knight dance-fighting with a [[Transylvito]] vampire on the back of the blue dwagon on [[TBFGK_113:3|TBFGK page 113, panel 3]] is Vurp. It is also likely that this hobgobwin is Vurp and survived the battle, because the mustachioed Transylvito vampire is not seen in subsequent comics, implying that Vurp won the knife fight we see below. [[Image:TBFGK_113-3.jpg|left|frame|This [[Knights in Stanley's Service|Knight in Stanley's Service]] may be Vurp.]]

Although he is never named, the "suspendered, mustachioed" Transylvito [[warlord]], who Vurp may have killed, speculatively is "Mario". It is noted he strongly resembles "Mario" from the uber successful Mario Brothers video games and Mario Puzo is the Author of "The Godfather" which ties in with Transylvito's Cosa Nostra tones. Also, our dear authors appear to love triangulated puns for their character names or perhaps its just their fans like finding them.

===Real World Reference===

The word "[http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=vurp%22 Vurp]" is a slang portmanteau of vomit and burp, and refers to when you vomit a little bit in your mouth.

[[Category:Characters]]
[[Category: Proposed Canon]]
[[Category: Speculation]]

ErfWiki:Current events

2009-05-27T00:26:16Z

Balder:

Wiki started Friday, April 4. Open for editing Monday, April 6.

Some users reporting confirmation errors related to email characters, but registration is working.

Panel by panel archive for Book 1 completed. Woo!

ErfWiki talk:Style Guide

2009-05-27T00:07:34Z

Balder: /* Analysis */

==Links to Other Articles==
One thing to think about is whether we link a word in an article every time it is used or only the first time it is used. -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 07:45, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
:Linking only once (or once per section, if it's a big article) tends to be better at avoiding "link salad", where every other word is linked to something. —[[User:Revenant|Revenant]][[User talk:Revenant|Talk]] 12:59, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
::I have to disagree. I know that what I was initially doing was too mcuh, but one link per page is far too little. There is nothing as frustrating as reading a 20 page Wikipedia article, finding an intriguing name, and then not being able to click on it. That name is somewhere in 20 pages... and I need to hunt through it because some people don't like a little blue with their black? How is one link per paragraph? --[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 01:18, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
:::While I see the logic, I also disagree (Manpower the Temporary is the whole point of the joke). I think Stanley is the only character that has had a name change. Worst case, we could redirect Stanley the Plaid to Stanley the Tool. Even if we do make the change, the full title should be included on the character page. --[[User:Raphfrk|Raphfrk]] 09:49, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree that references should be made to the three sources named, but we shouldn't completely rule out other sources. For example the "Stanley song" on FuMP: http://www.thefump.com/lyrics.php?id=107 or the Hamstard comic: http://www.hamstard.com/ or interviews or the knol stuff: http://knol.google.com/k/robert-balder/erfworld/23skug9txczm1/2 . --[[User:Welf von Ehrwald|Welf von Ehrwald]] 12:38, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

:''(So <nowiki>[[Erfworld mechanics]]</nowiki> does not link to Erfworld Mechanics.) ''
This is why it's generally a good idea to name pages in sentence case (capitalise first word and proper nouns only). Makes it a lot easier to make links in natural language without <tt><nowiki>[[Awkward Capitalisation]]</nowiki></tt>, <tt><nowiki>[[Redundant Link Titles|redundant link titles]]</nowiki></tt>, or (almost) pointless redirects. —[[User:Revenant|Revenant]][[User talk:Revenant|Talk]] 12:51, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

== Canon, Proposed Canon, and Speculation sections ==

<tt>Canon</tt>, <tt>Proposed Canon</tt>, and <tt>Speculation</tt> sections are currently mostly using <tt><nowiki>=First-level headings=</nowiki></tt>, which are equivalent to <tt><h1></tt> tags. As already noted on the page, this isn't ideal – in fact, good practice for HTML would have exactly one of these per page, as the page title (which the wiki software already does). Rather than massive headings, I'm actually thinking that we should put together some little templates (a la the Wikipedia Spoiler templates of old) to mark sections of the page as being of whatever canon status and automagically include 'em in the proper categories for review. In fact, I might whip up something basic to illustrate. <tt>:)</tt> —[[User:Revenant|Revenant]][[User talk:Revenant|Talk]] 10:48, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
:Something like: {{Canon}}{{Proposed Canon}}{{Speculation}} Howzat? <tt>:)</tt> By the way, I used [http://colorschemedesigner.com/#2B42boTRRw0w0 this] for the colour scheme, in case anyone was curious. —[[User:Revenant|Revenant]][[User talk:Revenant|Talk]] 11:18, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
::Speculation is a bit dark and canon is a bit ugly. however, I'm a bit colorblind so take that as you will.--[[User:Ichthus|Ichthus]] 14:40, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
::When using color in a webpage, something too vivid or dark can be hard on the eyes, or just hard to read -- so it's really really important to be careful. I think these could use a little color-shifting -- if they were in the pastel color range, it could work well. As is, though.. they seem too distracting and attention-grabbing. [[User:R3u|R3u]] 02:22, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Both valid points. I did test out the "Simulate color vision deficiency" options, but obviously it can only simulate. Is, say, [http://colorschemedesigner.com/#2B42bii--g0g0 this] better? Feel free to play with the tool/template colours yourselves, I'm by no means precious about them. <tt>:)</tt> —[[User:Revenant|Revenant]][[User talk:Revenant|Talk]] 03:43, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
::::I wonder if we can get a color palette from the Artists? I nabbed RGB values from some of the dwagons already: [[Dwagon#Dwagon_Types]].--[[User:Fluffums|Fluffums]] 04:07, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

==Capitalization==

We need to standardize on the use of capitals. I'm putting them in, others taking them out, and it's would be better if things were consistent. There is a good reason to capitalize terms that have rules behind them. Take, for instance the term [[Turn]]. For the purpose of game rules, Turn has a particular meaning, but it has other meanings as well. I can turn the knob on a dial. In order to distinguish Turn vs. turn, most game systems capitalize Turn. I suggest that wherever a game term is being used, it should be capitalized for clarity.

The other alternative is to Link every use of a defined term, in every single instance. But instead of a single letter change ('This' instead of 'this'), that requires '((This|that))', which is more work.

The following are a short list of game terms that should be capitalized: Turn, Side, Capital, Unit, Stack, Combat, Defense, Warlord, Caster, Barbarian.
--[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 12:50, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
:I agree – capitalise where we're referring to a game mechanic. —[[User:Revenant|Revenant]][[User talk:Revenant|Talk]] 13:53, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
::Ditto. That said, we should also strive to link the first use of a capitalized game mechanic term.--[[User:Fluffums|Fluffums]] 04:01, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone else have any feedback, or can we go ahead with choosing which terms are always cap'ed? --[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 20:30, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Nothing more said against. SO terms to Capitalize: Unit, Stack, Hex, Commander, Warlord, Chief Warlord, Overlord, Caster, Move (as a stat), Combat (as a stat), Defense, Hits, Turn, Side, Movement (as Movement Hex-to-Hex, not movement inside a Hex). --[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 05:23, 7 May 2009 (UTC) 
 
There has been absolutely no discussion on this in weeks, and we're still working at cross purposes. Please chime in, because clearly others don't agree. --[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 02:14, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

==References==
I found out why <ref> doesn't work. It requires an extension that has not been installed. See this [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite/Cite.php Page] on MediaWiki. If Rob ever adds this extension, we should get rid of the sup /sup methd and switch to proper referencing. Unless someone out there knows how to do it without that extension. --[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 12:58, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
:[[User talk:Balder#References|Indeed]]. I think our best bet if we want "proper" references is to use the older [[Wikipedia:Template:Ref|Ref]]/[[Wikipedia:Template:Note|Note]] system. Alternatively, we could stick with plain links – it's not like this is an encyclopedia, we don't need a bibliography/references section. Inline links would be fine, IMO. —[[User:Revenant|Revenant]][[User talk:Revenant|Talk]] 13:03, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
::I've got a working basic copy of the old [[Template:Ref|Ref]]/[[Template:Note|Note]] system working on this wiki. Feel free to try it out. —[[User:Revenant|Revenant]][[User talk:Revenant|Talk]] 13:51, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
I think we need to avoid multiple redundant references on the same thing, to avoid clutter, for example
the breath weapon column in the [[Dwagon]] article. --[[User:Doran|Doran]] 18:01, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Just something to watch out for, the page numbering on the archive is different from the page numbering on giantipt.com. This may cause misaligned links, when people are changing the giantipt links to the erfworld.com page.

For example,

http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F060.jpg

is different from

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0060.html

Has there been any comment if the current indexing is 'stable' ?

--[[User:Raphfrk|Raphfrk]] 12:03, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
:The hilarious thing about this (for me) is that it's exactly the file naming scheme I used when saving the archives to my HDD, so for me there's zero adjustment needed. <tt>:P</tt> —[[User:Revenant|Revenant]][[User talk:Revenant|Talk]] 04:30, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Stumbled onto a bug in the Erf template. If you do 'erf|1|0xx|whatever [something] whatever' and then hit "Preview", clicking on the edit window will send you to the comic 0xx. Freaky. Just a heads up... don't put [ ] into the hovers.
--[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 20:25, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
:Addressed on [[Template talk:Erf]]. —[[User:Revenant|Revenant]][[User talk:Revenant|Talk]] 05:05, 5 May 2009 (UTC) 
 
References seem to be working out okay. Erf template is working fine. This section of discussion appears closed. Shall we delete it as irrelevant? --[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 02:16, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

== Reusable formatting ==

If there is a little bit of block formatting or tables that is used over and over such as the stat blocks or the school of magic breakdown, please be sure to request a template. This will allow everything to appear consistent. I imagine we will end up making templates for factions, capitals, in the near future. We just have to decide on what they'll look like and what information we want in them.--[[User:Ichthus|Ichthus]] 14:57, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

== Canon Future Spoilers ==
Came across this when doing [[Word_of_God#2198313|2198313]], are we okay with putting them in white text.
There may be a template for doing so. --[[User:Doran|Doran]] 18:48, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
:Created {{tl|Spoiler}}, a la TVTropes. {{Spoiler|Works like this}}. —[[User:Revenant|Revenant]][[User talk:Revenant|Talk]] 04:06, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks! Although we need a better definition of 'spoiler' as some people are going to see any future speculation as spoilers ala the Giantitp forums, and some just the creator's explicit spoilers. Any thoughts? --[[User:Doran|Doran]] 16:02, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I think that most things that have shown up in the actual pages of the comic should not count as spoilers -- people can finish reading the comic before checking the wiki, and the wiki will look strange if 90% of it ends up being in white text. I think that future speculation should just be 'speculation', and put in that section, while specific commentary from the comic creators counts as 'spoiler' if it refers to future events. My 2 cents. [[User:R3u|R3u]] 20:45, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
::::I do not like GitP's def'n of spoiler. But, I think anyone reading the Wiki is going to see Spoilers. All of the Game Mechanics are spoilers for a new reader, and putting the entire definition of [[Turn]] into white text is, well, not desirable. I think it's best that when we get around to creating a Header for the pages that all headers just include a general spoiler warning, and then don't bother with worrying about anything specific in the text. --[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 20:29, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Added a fairly narrow definition of spoiler on the page - things revealed by the creators relating to the future comic direction. --[[User:Doran|Doran]] 20:37, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::That's not the description of Spoilers. Spoilers are any events in the comic that a new reader would not be aware of. For instance, if I were standing in line for Empire Strikes Back and someone said as he left, "I can't believe Vader is Luke's dad!" then I was just spoiled. Spoilers are unavoidable on the Wiki, by its very nature. All those rules were spoilers, since they are based of events late in the BfGK that would spoil a new reader. --[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 20:46, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Let me just cast my vote for the wiki to be written with the up-to-date reader as the audience. If you are starting from the beginning, you really should just read the whole comic. If you don't want to read the whole comic, then the wiki should provide you with the information you need to make sense of what is going on. In other words, I believe the entire wiki should be considered a spoiler. If we really have to, maybe part of the icon or a line on every page of the wiki should read, "Erfwiki is a spoiler. Read Erfworld first."--[[User:Fluffums|Fluffums]] 03:54, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

By 'spoilers', I mean an example such as [[Word_of_the_Titans#2198313|this on Word of the Titans]], not just anything you can get by reading the comic. I agree with the erfwiki as a spoiler, but i think anything relying on such as the above should be its slef hidden hbehind spoilers. --[[User:Doran|Doran]] 13:47, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

=== Uncroaked Character Images ===

For characters that start off alive, perform things, and only later become uncroaked of some variety -- do we want the pictures on their page to include pictures of them before uncroaking, after uncroaking, whichever way they spent the most of the story, or both? Could this count as a spoiler, in the case of people like Webinar and Dora, or does it not matter? [[User:R3u|R3u]] 20:45, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
:Wait on that until Spoiler decisions are made. If no spoilers allowed, then it has to be the first image only. --[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 20:35, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
::While this must wait until the spoiler decision is made, I suggest that with the Erfwiki-as-spoiler option we use a picture of the character's current or most recent form, and then include previous forms in a sub-section.--[[User:Fluffums|Fluffums]] 03:54, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

==Erworld Mechanics==
I have been stripping out mentions of specific people in Mechanics pages. Mechanics are rules, and so should be written as rules, not descriptions of what people have done. Those activities are references to support a proposed rule. So for isntance, "Parson can't see Level with his glasses, but others can." is not a rule. The rule is "Warlords can see the Level stat". Parson is an exception to the rule, anbd all of his exceptions should be shown on his page. Parson-specific exceptions are not rules, and should not be mentioned on mechanics pages.

As for writing rules... be definitive. "Apparantly" is not definitive: it is inconclusive. 'Apparant' comes from 'appears' which means you are simply stating an observation, and observations are mere references for rules, not rules themselves. If you think you know something because you interpret an image in a particular way, then say it with confidence! If we don't agree, well, we'll change it and you can argue it out on the forums or on the discussion page. --[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 20:43, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

==Naming Conventions==
I'm sure there are more, but I've noticed already pretty haphazard page naming. The first one that comes to mind is character names. We oughtn't use titles and pseudonyms in page names, because of the risk that a character's title will change. For example, had we been making this wiki from the beginning, Stanley's page would have been Stanley the Plaid. If we wanted to keep up with titles, we'd then have to move it to Stanley the Tool. If he then gets another arkentool and changes his name to Stanley the Toolbox, we'd have to move it again. If he's finally deposed and becomes just plain Stanley, there's another move. The logical manner to deal with this is just to put character pages under their name, and nothing more. Stanley, not Stanley the Tool. Manpower, not Manpower the Temporary. Et cetera. --[[User:Erk|Erk]] 20:53, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
:We don't have to move pages when names change. We can just make a redirect. It is not that I am really happy with [[Stanley the Tool]], but it is not a problem as long as [[Stanley]] and [[Stanley the Plaid]] redirect to it. It works fine.
:As for titles: following your logic we should move Archduke Ferdinand to Ferdinand. Do I get it right? Half of the titles used in the comics mean something. I doubt I would get the joke if the character is referred to Ferdinand or [[Manpower]] or [[Phat-Singh]]. Even if it is a title, it still has a critical importance.
:Anyway, let's wait and see. Things work as they are at the moment. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, they say. If Rob or Jamie decide that [[Manpower the Temporary]] should be moved to [[Manpower]], they can do it or tell us to do it. That is my opinion. -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 07:24, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
::Well, I disagree with your reasoning: the humour of a name shouldn't be a factor in naming its article, because the article name is just a place to find the page. The name should be evidently funny and mentioned in its funny context within the page. Further, moving pages is not a substitute for bad naming conventions: mediawiki only supports a single redirection, after which it breaks. What I mean is, if we started with Stanley the Plaid, then moved it to Stanley the Tool, we'd be fine, but if we then moved it again to Stanley the Titan, all the old links to Stanley the Plaid would break. With minor characters like Archduke Ferdinand it's really trivial, but then, it's also really trivial to have him called Archduke Ferdinand throughout the article. The name of the page isn't what we have to refer to him as whenever we talk about him.
::That said, I asked the Balder, and he says multiple name changes will be so rare that we don't need to fuss about it, so we're cool: if it's not going to come up practically then I'm not concerned. Cheers! --> '''[[User:Erk|ERK!]]'''|[[User_talk:Erk|eyeBook me]] 15:50, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
:::A better example of where I think this is a problem is [[Prince Ansom]]. He's not a prince anymore, he's [[decrypted]], so he's just Ansom. Because the page was "prince ansom" before, now all the old wikilinks to "prince ansom" will be out of date. If the page had just been made as [[Ansom]] in the first place, and the initial ''text'' had made it clear he was Prince Ansom, this would not be a problem. --> '''[[User:Erk|ERK!]]'''|[[User_talk:Erk|eyeBook me]] 17:17, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
:So we're suffering a little from the prejudices of earlier authors. Deal. Ansom = Prince Ansom, so Ansom|Ansom the deCrypted still hits the same page. Or create a Redirect yourself for something you think should be defined. Most people will type "Jillian" into the Search, not "Jillian Zamussels", so as long as the short form is in the list, it'll work out just fine. --[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 05:17, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
::That was my point too. As long as all variations of the name redirect to one page it does not matter what the name of the page is (IMO). We can always move a page. Hell, if Rob or Jamie think that this is of critical importance, they would do it themselves. I'd say we still have other, more important things to do at the moment. -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 21:30, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I think you both missed where I said "we're cool: if it's not going to come up practically then I'm not concerned". I just think we need an organised convention for future pages, which will prevent any more work coming up at a later date. I am giving you examples of what I mean so that we may discuss.
:::And, once again, letting things lie with redirection is bad wiki practice. It leads to broken links that look like they work. This is not cool. --> '''[[User:Erk|ERK!]]'''|[[User_talk:Erk|eyeBook me]] 21:42, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

==Color Conventions==
I propose that we develop a standard palette for anything with a background color on Erfwiki. I further propose that we base the palette on the Erfworld palette, as this is fitting and will complement images from Erfworld. As an example, I have pulled RGB values from the dwagons featured in Erfworld:
* Dwagon Pink = rgb(221,163,175)
* Dwagon Red = rgb(199,61,61)
* Dwagon Yellow = rgb(209,200,97)
* Dwagon Green = rgb(109,165,116)
* Dwagon Blue = rgb(84,109,165)
* Dwagon Purple = rgb(114,76,117)
* Dwagon Black = rgb(73,51,53)
Even if we don't use these colors, I believe Erfwiki's aesthetic will be enhanced by a Erfworld-based palette.--[[User:Fluffums|Fluffums]] 04:44, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
:Having a predefined colour palette is a great idea. What do you propose we use dwagon colours for though? I think first we should decide what we'd be using these colours for, then decide what erfworld palette colours to swipe for them. --> '''[[User:Erk|ERK!]]'''|[[User_talk:Erk|eyeBook me]] 15:52, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
:I have no problems with that, but remember that any colour selected should be fine for black text to appear on. --[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 05:14, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
:Currently, the stat boxes for units listing Move, Defense, and such are a nice blue. We also have Revenant's proposed section headers for Canon/Spectulation. Those are the only two places I know we're using color. For the stat box, we might try to match the color used in Klog #4 (http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F040a.jpg). For the section headers, just about anything could probably be used. Kreistor brings up a good point about black text, but I like that the stat box matches the comic with white text.--[[User:Fluffums|Fluffums]] 06:40, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

==Move to ErfWiki:Style Guidelines==
We should get the Meta pages out of the regular wiki space and into the ErfWiki space, methinks. It's good wiki organisation. --> '''[[User:Erk|ERK!]]'''|[[User_talk:Erk|eyeBook me]] 03:59, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

==Analysis==
What do people feel about creating another category called Analysis, not for speculation, but for analysing stuff that has already happened e.g. the [[Parsons_Plans]] pages.--[[User:Doran|Doran]] 13:47, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:I like this. Let's have it for sure. [[User:Balder|Balder]] 00:07, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

User talk:Balder

2009-05-25T23:07:41Z

Balder: /* Canon, proposed canon and speculation */

User talk:Balder

2009-05-25T09:18:46Z

Balder: /* Actual Game */

Jack Snipe

2009-05-21T09:33:22Z

Balder:

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|race= [[Men]]
|tribe=
|faction= [[Gobwin Knob]]
|class= [[Caster]] ([[Foolamancer]]){{erf|1|108}}
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==Canon==
Jack Snipe is a [[Foolamancer]] in the service of [[Stanley the Tool]].

===Plot===
Jack is a former [[Faq]] [[unit]]. [[Jillian Zamussels]] refers to him as a master-class [[Foolamancer]] and genius at distractions. She also mentions that Jack may have had a crush on her. His [[Foolamancy]] skills were such that he was capable of [[veil|veiling]] an entire settlement from observation. He was able to [[veil]] the cities of [[Faq]] one after another as determined by the [[Predictamancer]] of Faq and thus kept location of Faq hidden for a long time.{{erf|1|107}}

==Speculation==
His sanity was severely harmed either by being linked up with [[Misty]] and [[Maggie]] during [[Stanley the Tool]]'s experiments into [[fusion magic]] or by [[Maggie]] severing the link and allowing the other two casters to take all the damage{{erf|1|084}}. He somewhat recovered after [[Parson]] and then [[Jillian Zamussels|Jillian]] addressed him by name.{{erf|1|108}}{{erf|1|113}}

Jack, like [[Wanda Firebaugh]], seems to be extremely loyal to Lord Stanley.

==Real World References==
Jack Snipe's crush on Jillian is possibly related to "Jack and Jill."

[[Category:Characters]]
[[Category:Caster]]
[[Category:Proposed Canon]]
[[Category:Speculation]]
[[Category:Real World References]]

Talk:Coin

2009-05-13T18:38:56Z

Balder:

For consistency with [[Rand]], [[Shmucker]] and general wiki practice, shouldn't this be moved to ''Coin'' ?
Or is it that Rob had a specific reason to name this page as a plural word ? [[Special:Contributions/84.102.17.169|84.102.17.169]] 18:31, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:No that's fine. Move with redirects. [[User:Balder|Balder]] 18:38, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Gem

2009-05-13T04:18:02Z

Balder:

Might a [[Ruler]] be an [[Overlord]]?

Yes. We found Overlord and Ruler being used interchangably. Someone wrote Overlord first, so it stuck.
--[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 01:17, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

I can hunt down the references if you want me to.
--[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 01:17, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I did. Klog 5 and 10. In 5, Parson refers to a "Overlord" as leader, but in 10, it becomes Ruler. There's no explanation for his change in terminology. Me, I always thought Ruler was correct. Parson's first contact with Side leadership is Stanley, an Overlord. He later learns about Royal leadership, learning they are Kings, so he uses the word Ruler to refer to a Side leader, regardless of Royal standing. So the confusion is temporal -- Parson changes his terminology because he doesn't know everything about the subject until tie passes. --[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 02:10, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't really think it matters dudes, idea's the same. [[User:Xewleer|Xewleer]]

Uhm, Xewleer, the first line was written by the Balder himself. It matters. --[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 02:16, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

The impression I got (from the cases of Stanley and Charlie) is that "Overlord" is the title of a Ruler who isn't entitled to a royal or noble title. [[User:SteveMB|SteveMB]] 02:23, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Let me put it this way. Ruler=general term. Overlord and 'King' are merely differentiating between noble or common born. So! I would use Ruler in a general sense. But remember, a King IS an overlord, just with 'royal' blood.-Xewleer
: This is correct. All Overlords are Rulers. All Kings are Rulers. Ruler is the generic term for the principle leader of a side. [[User:Balder|Balder]] 04:18, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Gem

2009-05-13T00:03:46Z

Balder: Created page with '=Canon= A gem is a physical object which can be converted directly to Shmuckers by a caster, warlord or ruler. Shmuckers cannot be made into gems, except by a M...'

=Canon=

A gem is a physical object which can be converted directly to [[Shmuckers]] by a [[caster]], [[warlord]] or [[ruler]]. Shmuckers cannot be made into gems, except by a Moneymancer.

Purse

2009-05-13T00:00:36Z

Balder: /* Canon */

=Canon=

A purse is the personal accumulated [[Shmuckers]] associated with a [[warlord]] or [[caster]] unit. Although there are no physical [[coins]] associated with the purse, it has a limit of ([[Level]] * 1000) Shmuckers, after which the unit cannot accumulate more. They can also carry [[gem|gems]] as physical objects, which can be converted to Shmuckers later.

[[Barbarian]] [[commander|commanders]] pay the upkeep of any units in their stack at the start of their turn from their purse.

Rand

2009-05-12T17:26:52Z

Balder: /* Canon */

=Canon=
The Rand is a unit of currency used in the [[Magic Kingdom]]. It is not a physical coin or treasure, but a barter credit. Casters in the Magic Kingdom can offer their services or created [[scroll|scrolls]] to other casters in exchange for [[Shmucker|Shmuckers]], but more often it is done for Rands.

=Speculation=
Does not appear to be as widely used as the [[Shmucker]]. Possible reference to [[wikipedia:Ayn Rand|Ayn Rand]]. May also be a reference to the [[wikipedia:South African rand|real-world currency]] of the same name. Could also be tied into a Janice Rand[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janice_Rand] (from Star Trek) reference, since the first use of the currency was when [[Sizemore Rockwell|Sizemore]] paid Janis for hippiemancy lessons.

Rands may be used as a way to limit the power of [[Moneymancy|Moneymancers]] in the Magic Kingdom by existing outside their sphere of influence, but this will not be able to be confirmed until more is known about them.

[[Category:Currency]]
[[Category:Proposed Canon]]
[[Category:Speculation]]

Talk:Magic

2009-05-12T17:25:32Z

Balder:

In regard to eyebooks, is it worth adding that the instant message sounds are references to the signature sounds from classic Mac OS? I'm sure that the "EEP!" sound is the notorious "wild eep". [http://mac.wikia.com/wiki/Wild_Eep]

=Spell=
Hey guys, let's give "spell" its own article. That's going to be a complicated one. [[User:Balder|Balder]] 17:25, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Scroll

2009-05-12T17:24:08Z

Balder:

=Canon=

A Scroll is a [[Magic Item|magic item]]. It is a physical storage device for a single [[spell]], which can be used only by a [[Caster]]. Casters may create a scroll or scrolls on their [[turn]], for a significantly higher cost in [[juice]] than simply casting the same spell.

=Speculation=
A scroll with a spell of the same [[Magic#Types of Magic|Discipline]] as the [[Caster]] has a greater effect than one cast by a different Discipline.{{Erf|1|006|"No, Lord. I'm a Croakamancer. We need a Findamancer."}}

[[Category:Magic]]

Rand

2009-05-12T17:21:00Z

Balder: /* Proposed Canon */

=Canon=
The Rand is a unit of currency used in the [[Magic Kingdom]]. It is not a physical coin or treasure, but a barter credit. Casters in the Magic Kingdom can offer their services or created [[scroll|scrolls]] to other casters in exchange for [[Shmucker||Shmuckers]], but more often it is done for Rands.

=Speculation=
Does not appear to be as widely used as the [[Shmucker]]. Possible reference to [[wikipedia:Ayn Rand|Ayn Rand]]. May also be a reference to the [[wikipedia:South African rand|real-world currency]] of the same name. Could also be tied into a Janice Rand[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janice_Rand] (from Star Trek) reference, since the first use of the currency was when [[Sizemore Rockwell|Sizemore]] paid Janis for hippiemancy lessons.

Rands may be used as a way to limit the power of [[Moneymancy|Moneymancers]] in the Magic Kingdom by existing outside their sphere of influence, but this will not be able to be confirmed until more is known about them.

[[Category:Currency]]
[[Category:Proposed Canon]]
[[Category:Speculation]]

Coin

2009-05-12T17:15:59Z

Balder: Created page with '=Canon= Coins are an ersatz currency created by units on a side for purposes of exchanging minor goods and services. Unlike Shmuckers and Rands, c...'

=Canon=

Coins are an ersatz currency created by [[units]] on a [[side]] for purposes of exchanging minor goods and services. Unlike [[Shmucker|Shmuckers]] and [[Rand|Rands]], coins are physical objects which can be created by units with the [[fabrication]] special. Coins have no associated [[Moneymancy]] and cannot be directly converted to other currencies.

Purse

2009-05-12T17:11:18Z

Balder: Created page with '=Canon= A purse is the personal accumulated Shmuckers associated with a warlord or caster unit. Although there are no physical coins associated with the purse, ...'

=Canon=

A purse is the personal accumulated [[Shmuckers]] associated with a [[warlord]] or [[caster]] unit. Although there are no physical [[coins]] associated with the purse, it has a limit of ([[Level]] * 1000) Shmuckers, after which the unit cannot accumulate more.

[[Barbarian]] [[commander|commanders]] pay the upkeep of any units in their stack at the start of their turn from their purse.

Treasury

2009-05-12T17:05:57Z

Balder:

=Canon=

A treasury is a [[Side|side's]] total accumulated [[Shmuckers]]. A treasury is not a physical storehouse of gold or [[coin|coins]], but is a construct of natural [[Moneymancy]] common to all sides. At the start of a [[turn]], the income of all cities and other sources of Shmuckers is paid into the treasury, and the total upkeep of all [[unit|units]] on a side is paid out of the treasury, automagically.

Unlike a [[purse]], there is no upper limit to the amount of Shmuckers a treasury can hold.

Should a side's capital be captured, the value of the Shmuckers in the side's treasury is transferred to the treasury of the side which claims the [[capital site]].

[[Category:Locations of Erfworld]]

Bunny

2009-05-11T21:34:38Z

Balder:

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|name= Bunny
|race=
|faction= [[Transylvito]]
|tribe=
|class= [[Caster]] ([[Thinkamancer]])
|level=
|move=
|hits=
|combat=
|defense=
|special=
|eyebook=
}}
}}
=Canon=
==Information==
Bunny is a Thinkamancer in the service of [[Don King]] of the side of [[Transylvito]].
=Proposed Canon=

=Speculation=

[[Category:Characters]]
[[Category:Caster]]
[[Category:Proposed Canon]]

Ross

2009-05-11T21:31:08Z

Balder: /* Inspiration */

==Canon==
Ross is one of [[Parson Gotti|Parson]]'s gaming [[Parson's friends|friends]] in [[Parson's World]]. He is depicted as a skinny man with a somewhat scruffy beard and a Watchmen yarmulke. He apparently likes marshmallow peeps despite being Jewish (interesting since these are not Kosher, something most Jews wearing yarmulkes would generally avoid).
===[[Real World|Inspiration]]===
Ross is modeled on Ross Nover, creator of the webcomics [http://www.notquitewrong.com/rockets/ The Rockets] and [http://www.systemcomic.com/ The System], and member of the ska band [http://www.thepietasters.com/ The PiETASTERS]. Ross is sometimes known as "Webcomic's International Loverman." ['''''citation and extraordinary proof needed'''''] He is a friend of [[Rob Balder|Rob]] and [[Jamie Noguchi|Jamie]]'s. He is depicted wearing a Rockets T-shirt.
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[[Category:Characters]]
[[Category:Parson's World]]

Main Page

2009-05-09T16:17:34Z

Balder:

<big>'''Welcome to Erfwiki'''</big>

This is a [[Arkentools|tool]]. Use it as the [[Titans]] would.

== Purpose ==

This wiki is meant to keep track of information about [[Erfworld]] and things related to Erfworld. It is the definitive source of [[canon]], [[proposed canon]], and [[speculation]] about the [[story]], [[setting]] and [[Erfworld Mechanics|mechanics]] of the Erfworld universe. Our operating principle is to "[[Useful Information|add useful information]]." Even trivial and tangential information and topics that pass this usefulness test should be added.

== Terms ==

This is a community project, by and for the readers, fans, and [[creators]] of Erfworld. All work on this wiki is considered a contribution, given freely in the spirit of a supportive, collaborative effort. Anything you post or edit to this site may be used by yourself or others within the terms of a [[Creative Commons]] noncommercial license. You also grant unlimited use of any work posted here to the creators of Erfworld, without claim to compensation or attribution. Note that "use" means "we can ''use'' it" not "we ''own'' it." If you post your own fan art of, say, [[Bogroll]] here, you still own it and can use it within the [[guidelines for fan art]]. It's just that you also grant license to the community to use it noncommercially, and to the creators to use it in any way.

== Rules ==

Articles which are not about the Erfworld universe will be a lot like articles in any other wiki. For instance, the article on [[conventions]] can be an account of past and future conventions attended by [[Jamie Noguchi|Jamie]] and [[Rob Balder|Rob]], with no special rules other than to keep things reasonably factual and relevant. Do '''not''' use rules or policies from [[Wikipedia]]. This is '''not''' an encyclopedia, but a [[Arkentool|Tool]].

Articles about the Erfworld universe will have one to three sections: canon, proposed canon, and speculation. An article may start out as speculation, but be elevated to proposed canon or canon over time. For instance, say you are wondering about [[pink dwagons]]. You have seen them in the comic, using a breath weapon that seems to work like bubble gum. You create an article about pink dwagons with your guesses about the function of their breath weapon, and place all your information in a section labeled Speculation, or some of it in that section, and the parts you are pretty sure are close to the way it really works in Erfworld as Proposed Canon. Rob, Jamie, or someone they appoint will take a look at the proposed canon and possibly elevate it to a section called Canon. Canon information can be generally relied on to reflect "the way things are in Erfworld, according to the creators."

==Making Stuff Up==

You are welcome to add your own material to the Erfworld universe. Fan-created material that doesn't conflict with the [[ErfWiki:Canon|Canon]] of Erfworld is called [[ErfWiki:Fanon|Fanon]], and should be labeled as such, to make it clear that it's not part of the official Erfworld body. While there are no hard limits to what kind of Fanon you can make, be aware that the Terms of Use and Fan Creation Guidelines grant full and unlimited use of your ideas to the creators of Erfworld, and that other fans are free to edit anything you post.

== Where to Start ==

Anywhere. Create or edit the article for your personal favorite thing about Erfworld, or just jump in any place you feel you have something to add. You may pull whole articles from the [http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/Erfworld scratchpad wiki] on Wikia as starters, if you like.

Be sure to check what is [[Special:AllPages|already there]] and what is [[Special:WantedPages|needed]].

Check out the [[To Do]] list.

This wiki was started April 4, 2009.
[[Category:Wiki]]

Takashi

2009-05-09T15:08:34Z

Balder: /* Proposed Canon */

==Canon==
Takashi is one of [[Parson Gotti|Parson]]'s friends in [[Parson's World]]. He is depicted as an Asian man in an orange [http://www.jamihn.com monkey] shirt.
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[[Category:Characters]]
[[Category:Parson's World]]

Ross

2009-05-09T15:07:46Z

Balder: /* Proposed Canon */

==Canon==
Ross is one of [[Parson Gotti|Parson]]'s gaming [[Parson's friends|friends]] in [[Parson's World]]. He is depicted as a skinny man with a somewhat scruffy beard and a Watchmen yarmulke. Ross is modeled on Ross Nover, creator of the webcomics The Rockets, and The System, and a friend of Rob and Jamie's. He is depicted wearing a Rockets T-shirt.
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Carl

2009-05-09T15:03:01Z

Balder:

==Canon==
Carl is one of [[Parson Gotti|Parson]]'s gaming friends in [[Parson's World]]. He is depicted as a fit male in a black I/O cap. He is modeled on Hawk, one of the creators of the webcomic Applegeeks, and a friend of Rob and Jamie's.
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Sizemore Rockwell

2009-05-08T20:15:11Z

Balder: /* Real World References */

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{{Stats
|name= Sizemore Rockwell
|race= [[Men]]
|tribe= [[Plaid Tribe]] (nearly lost)
|faction= [[Gobwin Knob]]
|class= [[Caster]] ([[Dirtamancer]])
|move=
|hits=
|combat=
|defense=
|special=
|eyebook= ImInUrDirtz
|booksound= Choo
}}
}}
=Canon=
=Proposed Canon=
=Speculation=

==Plot==
Sizemore Rockwell is a [[Dirtamancer]] in the service of [[Stanley the Tool|Lord Stanley]]. His main duty as the story opens is to animate [[Crap Golems|crap golems]]. Earlier, he bored a large number of mining tunnels in the volcanic base of [[Gobwin Knob]]; however the gems have now been mined out. He had also, at some point, crafted multiple [[Soft Rock Golem]]s, [[Hard Rock Golem]]s, [[Acid Rock Golem]]s, and one [[Metal Golem]].

His personality is that of a meek intellectual. He has attempted to learn various types of magic, and has a basic theoretical understanding of magic in general, but has no practical ability at using any magics other than Dirtamancy.

Soon after [[Parson]] is summoned, Sizemore teaches him some of the basics of the Erfworld [[magic|magic system]], and teaches him about several magic items, and about the [[Thinkamancy]] link. After Stanley leaves Gobwin Knob, Parson leaves him to modify the tunnels under [[Gobwin Knob]] along with his golems.

==Real World References==
Sizemore's name is derived from the stage names of two members of the band [http://superbigcool.com/assrockers/ Assrockers]: Durt Sizemore and Riff Rockwell.{{WoT|1646581}}

It is also worth noting that one of the earliest [http://www.freepatentsonline.com/1449702.html/ patents] for a shovel design was given to James B. Sizemore.

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Sizemore Rockwell

2009-05-08T20:13:03Z

Balder: /* Real World References */

{{ImageStackRight|240|
[[File:Sizemore.png|center]]
{{Stats
|name= Sizemore Rockwell
|race= [[Men]]
|tribe= [[Plaid Tribe]] (nearly lost)
|faction= [[Gobwin Knob]]
|class= [[Caster]] ([[Dirtamancer]])
|move=
|hits=
|combat=
|defense=
|special=
|eyebook= ImInUrDirtz
|booksound= Choo
}}
}}
=Canon=
=Proposed Canon=
=Speculation=

==Plot==
Sizemore Rockwell is a [[Dirtamancer]] in the service of [[Stanley the Tool|Lord Stanley]]. His main duty as the story opens is to animate [[Crap Golems|crap golems]]. Earlier, he bored a large number of mining tunnels in the volcanic base of [[Gobwin Knob]]; however the gems have now been mined out. He had also, at some point, crafted multiple [[Soft Rock Golem]]s, [[Hard Rock Golem]]s, [[Acid Rock Golem]]s, and one [[Metal Golem]].

His personality is that of a meek intellectual. He has attempted to learn various types of magic, and has a basic theoretical understanding of magic in general, but has no practical ability at using any magics other than Dirtamancy.

Soon after [[Parson]] is summoned, Sizemore teaches him some of the basics of the Erfworld [[magic|magic system]], and teaches him about several magic items, and about the [[Thinkamancy]] link. After Stanley leaves Gobwin Knob, Parson leaves him to modify the tunnels under [[Gobwin Knob]] along with his golems.

==Real World References==
Sizemore's name is derived from the surnames of two members of the band [http://superbigcool.com/assrockers/ Assrockers]: Durt Sizemore and Riff Rockwell.{{WoT|1646581}}

It is also worth noting that one of the earliest [http://www.freepatentsonline.com/1449702.html/ patents] for a shovel design was given to James B. Sizemore.

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Arkendish

2009-05-04T20:48:16Z

Balder: /* Proposed Canon */

[[Image:Arkendish.png|right]]

=Canon=
One of the [[Arkentool]]s, currently possessed by and attuned to [[Charlie]] of [[Charlescomm]].{{erf|1|046}}{{erf|1|102}}

Arkendish gives its user superior [[Thinkamancy]] abilities.{{erf|1|116}}

=Speculation=
==Powers==
Another ability may be to interfere with other communication devices ([[Eyebook]], prime example).{{erf|1|112}}

May give a decrease in Mathamancy (Charlie's deals with Parson).

Might give enhanced Thinkamancy abilities to [[unit]]s under Charlie's control (Charlie's [[Archon]]s).

Extreme speculation: Mind control/influence, especially when directly communicating. (Maggie is very worried when Parson asks her to contact Charlie.){{erf|1|098}}

==Real World References==
It was pointed out that [http://www.dishnetwork.com/ Dish Network] formed by Charles W. "Charlie" Ergen provides satellite television service in the United States.

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Main Page

2009-05-01T09:50:38Z

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<big>'''Welcome to Erfwiki'''</big>

This is a [[Arkentools|tool]]. Use it as the [[Titans]] would.

== Purpose ==

This wiki is meant to keep track of information about [[Erfworld]] and things related to Erfworld. It is the definitive source of [[canon]], [[proposed canon]], and [[speculation]] about the [[story]], [[setting]] and [[Erfworld Mechanics|mechanics]] of the Erfworld universe. Our operating principle is to "[[Useful Information|add useful information]]." Even trivial and tangential information and topics that pass this usefulness test should be added.

== Terms ==

This is a community project, by and for the readers, fans, and [[creators]] of Erfworld. All work on this wiki is considered a contribution, given freely in the spirit of a supportive, collaborative effort. Anything you post or edit to this site may be used by yourself or others within the terms of a [[Creative Commons]] noncommercial license. You also grant unlimited use of any work posted here to the creators of Erfworld, without claim to compensation or attribution. Note that "use" means "we can ''use'' it" not "we ''own'' it." If you post your own fan art of, say, [[Bogroll]] here, you still own it and can use it within the [[guidelines for fan art]]. It's just that you also grant license to the community to use it noncommercially, and to the creators to use it in any way.

== Rules ==

Articles which are not about the Erfworld universe will be a lot like articles in any other wiki. For instance, the article on [[conventions]] can be an account of past and future conventions attended by [[Jamie Noguchi|Jamie]] and [[Rob Balder|Rob]], with no special rules other than to keep things reasonably factual and relevant. Do '''not''' use rules or policies from [[Wikipedia]]. This is '''not''' an encyclopedia, but a Tool.

Articles about the Erfworld universe will have one to three sections: canon, proposed canon, and speculation. An article may start out as speculation, but be elevated to proposed canon or canon over time. For instance, say you are wondering about [[pink dwagons]]. You have seen them in the comic, using a breath weapon that seems to work like bubble gum. You create an article about pink dwagons with your guesses about the function of their breath weapon, and place all your information in a section labeled Speculation, or some of it in that section, and the parts you are pretty sure are close to the way it really works in Erfworld as Proposed Canon. Rob, Jamie, or someone they appoint will take a look at the proposed canon and possibly elevate it to a section called Canon. Canon information can be generally relied on to reflect "the way things are in Erfworld, according to the creators."

== Where to Start ==

Anywhere. Create or edit the article for your personal favorite thing about Erfworld, or just jump in any place you feel you have something to add. You may pull whole articles from the [http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/Erfworld scratchpad wiki] on Wikia as starters, if you like.

Be sure to check what is [[Special:AllPages|already there]] and what is [[Special:WantedPages|needed]].

This wiki was started April 4, 2009.

Caesar Borgata

2009-04-28T17:36:24Z

Balder: /* Speculation */

=Canon=
Ceasar Borgata is a [[Chief Warlord]] to [[Transylvito]].

=Speculation=

He is a vampire in appearance (as apparently all characters in Transylvito).

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