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Doran's Unit Creation

2010-07-06T16:12:34Z

Doran:

==Base template==
The basic unit in Erfworld is the Infantry unit or piker.

Infantry Unit 
Attack: 3 
Defense: 2 
Move: 10 
Special: none 
Upkeep: 10 schmuckers per turn 

To this can be applied various Templates which alter its stats, and add/remove specials.

==Combining Multiple Templates==
When having a template that adds/subtracts from a stat, and one that multiplies/divides by that same stat, the adding/ substacting one is always resolved first.

==Templates==

===Heavy===
Attack: +2 
Defense +2 
Upkeep: +8 

Special: Heavy 
Heavies cannot enter tunnels or ride mounts unless specifically noted. Heavies can be used as mounts.

===Flying===
Upkeep: *1.5 

Special: Flying 
Fliers can enter all hexes apart from high or low mountains as though travelling along a road.

===Knight===
Attack: +2 
Defense: +1 
Upkeep: +4 

Special: Knight 
Knights can ride mounts.

===Weakling===
Attack: -1 
Defense: -1 
Upkeep: -5 

[[Category: RPG experiment]]

Justyn's Charsheet

2010-07-06T00:21:21Z

Doran:

Name 
Class 
Race 
 
Motivation 
 
Attributes 
 
Physical 
Strength ● 
Dexterity ● 
Stamina ● 
 
Social 
Charisma ● 
Manipulation ● 
Appearance ● 
 
Mental 
Perception ● 
Intelligence ● 
Wits ● 
 
Abilities 
 
Archery 

Athletics
Awareness
Dodge
Integrity
Martial Arts
Melee
Resistance
Thrown
War

Craft
Larceny
Linguistics
Performance
Presence
Ride
Sail
Socialize
Stealth
Survival

Animal Ken
Investigation
Knowledge
Occult

Backgrounds

Merits

Flaws

Equipment:

Join Combat:

Defenses
Dodge DV :
Parry DV :

Soak: B/L/A
Hardness: B/L/A

Health
-0 [ ]
-1 [ ][ ]
-2 [ ][ ]
-4 [ ]
-X [ ]

Virtues
Compassion ●
Conviction ●
Temperance ●
Valor ●

Virtue Flaw

Intimacies

Willpower:

Level: 3

Purse:

Bonus Points

Experience Points

[[Category:RPG experiment]]

Justyn's Charsheet

2010-07-06T00:19:09Z

Doran:

Name 
Class 
Race 
 
Motivation 
 
Attributes 
 
Physical 
Strength ● 
Dexterity ● 
Stamina ● 
 
Social 
Charisma ● 
Manipulation ● 
Appearance ● 
 
Mental 
Perception ● 
Intelligence ● 
Wits ● 
 
Abilities 
 
Archery 

[[Category:RPG experiment]]
Athletics
Awareness
Dodge
Integrity
Martial Arts
Melee
Resistance
Thrown
War

Craft
Larceny
Linguistics
Performance
Presence
Ride
Sail
Socialize
Stealth
Survival

Animal Ken
Investigation
Knowledge
Occult

Backgrounds

Merits

Flaws

Equipment:

Join Combat:

Defenses
Dodge DV :
Parry DV :

Soak: B/L/A
Hardness: B/L/A

Health
-0 [ ]
-1 [ ][ ]
-2 [ ][ ]
-4 [ ]
-X [ ]

Virtues
Compassion ●
Conviction ●
Temperance ●
Valor ●

Virtue Flaw

Intimacies

Willpower:

Level: 3

Purse:

Bonus Points

Experience Points

Justyn's Charsheet

2010-07-06T00:16:46Z

Doran: Created page with 'Name Class Race Motivation Attributes Physical Strength ● Dexterity ● Stamina ● Social Charisma ● Ma...'

Name 
Class 
Race 
 
Motivation 
 
Attributes 
 
Physical 
Strength ● 
Dexterity ● 
Stamina ● 
 
Social 
Charisma ● 
Manipulation ● 
Appearance ● 
 
Mental 
Perception ● 
Intelligence ● 
Wits ● 
 
Abilities 
 
Archery 
Athletics
Awareness
Dodge
Integrity
Martial Arts
Melee
Resistance
Thrown
War

Craft
Larceny
Linguistics
Performance
Presence
Ride
Sail
Socialize
Stealth
Survival

Animal Ken
Investigation
Knowledge
Occult

Backgrounds

Merits

Flaws

Equipment:

Join Combat:

Defenses
Dodge DV :
Parry DV :

Soak: B/L/A
Hardness: B/L/A

Health
-0 [ ]
-1 [ ][ ]
-2 [ ][ ]
-4 [ ]
-X [ ]

Virtues
Compassion ●
Conviction ●
Temperance ●
Valor ●

Virtue Flaw

Intimacies

Willpower:

Level: 3

Purse:

Bonus Points

Experience Points

Doran's Upkeep

2010-07-05T22:40:23Z

Doran:

=Upkeep=

Upkeep will be governed by the following rules:- 
1. The base unit for upkeep is an infantry unit, at 10S per turn 
2. When a unit levels it adds half its base upkeep, for example a level 9 piker = (10 + 5*8) = 50 schmuckers per turn 
3. Warlords upkeep is 10 times that of an equivalent levelled unit, for example Jillian, a level 9 warlord (10+5*8)*10 = 500 schmuckers per turn 
4. Special abilites such as Heavy, Flying etc can be added to a unit for an increase in upkeep. 
5. If you have provisions, upkeep is reduced by 70% rounded up. 

As stated elsewhere in canon, a warlords purse is level * 1000.

==Upkeep per Turn Formula==
Schmuckers per Turn = B*(1 + (L-1)/2)*W

Where B is the Base Unit Upkeep - the amount for a level 1 unit of that type.
L is their level, and W is 10 if they are a warlord, 1 otherwise.

[[Doran's Unit Creation|To calculate the B.U.U., see here.]]

[[Category:RPG experiment]]

Doran's Unit Creation

2010-07-05T22:29:18Z

Doran: Created page with '==Base template== The basic unit in Erfworld is the Infantry unit or piker. Infantry Unit Attack: 3 Defense: 2 Move: 10 Special: none Upkeep: 10 schmuckers per turn To this can...'

==Base template==
The basic unit in Erfworld is the Infantry unit or piker.

Infantry Unit
Attack: 3
Defense: 2
Move: 10
Special: none
Upkeep: 10 schmuckers per turn

To this can be applied various Templates which alter its stats, and add/remove specials.

==Combining Multiple Templates==
When having a template that adds/subtracts from a stat, and one that multiplies/divides by that same stat, the adding/ substacting one is always resolved first.

==Templates==

===Heavy===
Attack: +2
Defense +2
Upkeep: +8

Special: Heavy
Heavies cannot enter tunnels or ride mounts. Heavies can be used as mounts.

===Flying===
Upkeep: *1.5

Special: Flying
Fliers can enter all hexes apart from mountains as though travelling along a road.

===Knight===
Attack: +2
Defense: +1
Upkeep: +4

Special: Knight
Knights can ride mounts.

===Weakling===
Attack: -1
Defense: -1
Upkeep: -5

[[Category: RPG experiment]]

Doran's RPG Mechanics

2010-07-05T21:56:02Z

Doran:

=Mechanics=
This an attempt to create a rough RPG set of rules of erfworld, based off the Exalted d10 system.

==Attack==
This will be rolling d10s, any roll of 8 and above is a success, you can rerolls 10s.
Dice number will be decided by (base unit attack + level + bonuses) - (opponent defense value) +/- any circumstances.
Bonuses apply from stack and leadership. A leadership bonus does not apply to the warlord doing the leading
Magic weapons can also add bonuses.

==Defense==
These will have two values, dodge and parry, as calculated in exalted book, however essence will be replaced by
bonuses. The formula will be (base DV value + level + bonuses) /2 rounded down. Highest current stat will be used, and highest
stat will be seen in statovision.

==Move==
? - partially governed by level

==Bonuses==

===Leadership Bonus===
Governed directly by level

==Stack Bonus==
Builds up to 8, without a warlord stacks autoattack until they win or die.

==Specials==
These will be governed by merits for PCs, templates for their troops.

==Upkeep==
[[Doran's Upkeep|See here for mechanics]]

[[Category:RPG experiment]]

Doran's Upkeep

2010-07-05T21:02:02Z

Doran:

=Upkeep=

Upkeep will be governed by the following rules:-
1. The base unit for upkeep is an infantry unit, at 10S per turn
2. When a unit levels it adds half its base upkeep, for example a level 9 piker = (10 + 5*8) = 50 schmuckers per turn
3. Warlords upkeep is 10 times that of an equivalent levelled unit, for example Jillian, a level 9 warlord (10+5*8)*10 = 500 schmuckers per turn
4. "Templates" such as Heavy, Flying etc can be added to a unit for an increase in upkeep.
5. If you have provisions, upkeep is reduced by 70% rounded up.

As stated elsewhere in canon, a warlords purse is level * 1000.

[[Category:RPG experiment]]

Doran's Upkeep

2010-07-05T21:01:21Z

Doran:

Doran's Upkeep

2010-07-05T21:00:38Z

Doran: Created page with '=Upkeep= Upkeep will be governed by the following rules:- 1. The base unit for upkeep is an infantry unit, at 10S per turn 2. When a unit levels it adds half its base upkeep, fo...'

Category:RPG experiment

2010-07-05T20:40:54Z

Doran: Created page with 'This is a category for an experiment into RPG mechanics for Erfworld'

This is a category for an experiment into RPG mechanics for Erfworld

Doran's RPG Mechanics

2010-07-05T20:39:55Z

Doran:

Doran's RPG Mechanics

2010-07-05T20:38:36Z

Doran: moved RPGMechanics to Doran's RPG Mechanics

Doran's RPG Mechanics

2010-07-05T20:37:02Z

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2009-11-09T00:15:33Z

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2009-11-09T00:10:27Z

Doran:

''The article in desperate need of improvement is [[Battle for Gobwin Knob]]''

 [http://www.erfworld.com/wiki/index.php/Category:Battles Category:Battles] is the name of the current improvement drive. In the category, we only want battles. The BIG ones. So remove the small fights from the category (a good example of one to remove is the [[Opening_Skirmish|Opening Skirmish]].) Add big fights, and flesh out those articles. Especially the [[Battle for Gobwin Knob]]! Maybe the most improved article will get featured :P
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Epileptic Twees

2009-11-04T00:04:55Z

Doran: Undo revision 26836 by 194.8.75.52 (Talk)

This is a page for [[Speculation|speculative theories]] that aren't tied to a particular unit or concept, but
to the comic as a whole. Add a new theory under its own subheader.
Any theories, relying on [[Style_Guidelines#Spoilers|spoilers]] should be kept under the {{tl|Spoiler}} template.
Also can you please sign your theories with your wiki id, as it makes it easier to identify people.

Some Theories may be also found at the [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WMG/Erfworld WMG page of TV Tropes]

==Serious==

===Dancefight is a sign of unusual ambition===

Dancefight is not an inherent ability, but something that must be learnt. But because that means to admit that they are not perfect, most royals don't bother to learn. Stanley, Wanda, Vinny, Charley or Jillian don't have such sentiments. This willingness to improve themselves is also a prerequisite to attune to an arkentool. 
Stanley put effort into learning dancefight when he was infantry and was so successful that he was promoted to warlord.
: Ansom knows how to Dancefight (or, rather, Dance, Dance, Revolution! Fight) and was unable to attune to the Arkenpliers. I don't think dancefighting shows a "willingness to improve oneself" that distinguishes those who can attune from those who cannot.--[[User:Wrecan|Wrecan]] 21:10, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:: No, Dance, Dance, Revolution!-Fighting does not require the same willingness to improve oneself. Ansom was not able to lead his troops in dance-fighting until he was guided by the Archons. Typical for a noble, he found a shortcut to doing something that would otherwise require a willingness to learn and a commitment to practice. -- [[User:Yehonatan|Yehonatan]] 19:34, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

'''Unusual exuberance, you mean.''' Wanda learned to dance-fight in Faq. But because there was no fighting before Jillian, and Faq was such a bubble kingdom, there was only one dance they learned... [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW6M8D41ZWU The YATTA! Dance.] (Warning: The link should not be watched by the weak of stomach, or in the act of drinking.)--[[User:BarGamer|BarGamer]] 21:18, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

===Decrypted and Upkeep===
Decrypted "steal" upkeep from their original side. Thus, Ansom has no upkeep. However, if Wanda decrypts a Gobwin Knob unit, it has normal upkeep. Only the wielder of the ArkenPliers can disband Decrypted, making a Decrypted unit part of an economic warfare initiative.--[[User:BarGamer|BarGamer]] 18:24, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

==Silly==

===Bad Acid===
Ashna spiked Parson's Peeps with some bad acid. Parson's Klog #1 was RIGHT, this IS all a bad hallucinatory dream, a modern-day 'Wizard of Oz' or the more apt 'Alice in Wonderland,' complete with political commentary and bad puns. The trouble is, Parson doesn't get to escape and come back again before Book 2 comes out, because his RL body overdosed on it, or perhaps his immune system is just that weak, and he's in a permanent coma. (Or however long Jamie and Rob can ride this GravyTrain. XD)--[[User:BarGamer|BarGamer]] 21:18, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
[[Category:Speculation]]
====Dreamscale time====
To build on that, the entirety of book 1 might take place only within a few minutes of real time. Parson dreams very quickly.
====Seems the other gamers also had some====
One general problem with that theory is that the narrative regularly cuts away from Hamster, showing stuff he doesn't know about. For events within Erf, this could perhaps be explained away as the workings of his subconscious mental gamemaster; but in the last three panels of {{erf|1|016}}, set entirely in Stupidworld, the gaming group witnesses and comments on Parson's disappearance.

===Rejected Uncroaked Ansom===
The authors have really let something slip, here. The Arkenplier's creature focus is not Uncroaked... But the entire Side of Transylvito, which Ansom clearly resembled with his glowing red eyes, black motif, and unhealthy-looking skin. In fact, that was one of the reasons why Vinny and, by association, Transylvito joined the Coalition: Even when not attuned, the bearer of the ArkenPliers can inspire feelings of Loyalty, Obedience, and Duty (LOaD) in Transylvito units. This is proved by {{erf|1|042|Panel 9: 'I hereby revoke your permission to ask me difficult questions.'}}--[[User:BarGamer|BarGamer]] 21:18, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

I mean, Uncroaked are alright, but thinking, active Sides in your Alliance are something else, as proved by the Archon's similar LOaD to Charlie. In addition to being able to be popped like normal units, Transylvito units can also 'convert' others to their Side like Caesar Borgata threatened to do to Jillian in the last comic that he was featured in, by drinking the victim's blood, and making them drink Transylvito blood. If a unit is not Uncroaked, and another Transylvito unit is not nearby to assist in this, the ArkenPliers can do this directly by physically (Ansom's probable favored tactic)or Magically (Wanda's probable favored tactic) pulling on the victim's canines, making them longer.--[[User:BarGamer|BarGamer]] 21:18, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

===Jillian and Stanley screwed up with fate===

It was destined to collect all the arkentools in [[Faq]]. [[Jillian]] was the supposed wielder of the arkenhammer, and [[Stanley]] no more than a tool to bring it to her. Later she was supposed to find the arkenpliers and bring them to [[Wanda]]. The arkendish was supposed to go to [[Jack]]. A fourth known arkentool was reserved for the unnamed predictamancer of Faq.

Unfortunately Jillian was naughty and ignored an order to come home in the right time, thus condeming Faq and the predictamancer to obliteration. The arkenhammer felt that, became bored and choose Stanley as its wielder. --[[User:Welf von Ehrwald|Welf von Ehrwald]] 16:32, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

[[Category:Analysis]]
[[Category:Speculation]]

Prince Ansom

2009-11-03T23:56:46Z

Doran:

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|name= Ansom (Current)
|race= [[Decrypted]] ([[Men]])
|tribe= Jetstone
|faction= [[Gobwin Knob]]
|class= [[Chief Warlord]]
|level= 10
|move=
|hits=
|combat=
|defense=
|special= [[Leadership]], [[Royal]]
|eyebook=
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[[File:Ansom.png|center]]
{{Stats
|name= Prince Ansom ([[Battle for Gobwin Knob|BfGK]])
|race= [[Men]]
|tribe= Jetstone
|faction= [[Jetstone]]
|class= [[Chief Warlord]]
|level= 10
|move=
|hits=
|combat=
|defense=
|special= [[Leadership]], [[Royal]]
|eyebook=
}}
}}

=Proposed Canon=

''"If the plan does not plan for problems outside the plan, then it isn't a plan at all."''

'''Strengths:''' Leadership, Planning, Coalition Building

'''Weaknesses:''' Caution, Humility, Ability to Seal the Deal

Prince Ansom was formerly the [[Chief Warlord]] to [[King Slately]] of [[Jetstone]] and the leader of the [[Royal Crown Coalition]] against [[Stanley the Tool|Lord Stanley]]. He [[croaking|croaked]] at the hands of [[Bogroll]] and was later [[decrypted]] by Wanda while using the [[Arkenpliers]]. He is currently [[Chief Warlord]] of [[Gobwin Knob]].

Both before and after decryption he is a fanatic.

===Personal Equipment===

* [[Arkenpliers]] (During Book 1)
* Magic Carpet

==Relationships==

===[[Wanda Firebaugh]]===

{{:WandaAnsom}}

===[[Stanley the Tool]]===

{{:StanleyAnsom}}

===[[Jillian Zamussels]]===

{{:Ansom-Jillian Relationship}}

===[[Vinny Doombats]]===

{{:Ansom-Vinny Relationship}}

=Speculation=

Ansom's reanimation brought him back to a very close semblance of life, possibly with some missing memories, but with his skill set intact. While he still feels love for [[Jetstone]] and [[Jillian]], these emotions are entirely overwhelmed by the love and devotion he feels for his "Mistress" [[Wanda]]].

Ansom is the [[Lineage|son]] of King Slately (in the sense of being specifically [[pop|popped]] as a royal [[heir]] by King Slately's order). He has at least two brothers, [[Prince Ossomer]] and [[Prince Tramennis]].

As of Summer Update 33, his attack strength appears to be 15 without Leadership bonuses, unless he has some as-yet unmentioned bonuses or his own Leadership doesn't apply to himself. If his own Leadership applies, his basic attack strength is 25.

==Plot==
Prince Ansom's coalition forces included several sides including his own Jetstone tribe, other Royal-ruled tribes, various allied tribes of [[Elves]], and [[Marbits]], as well as a small [[barbarian]] force, chiefly [[Jillian Zamussels]], and, at times, some [[Charlescomm]] forces, in a mercenary capacity. His goal was to conquer Stanley's last remaining city and put an end to him. As the story began, he anticipated an easy victory, given the massive numerical superiority of his forces and Stanley's history of inept [[leadership]].

His publicly declared reason for leading the fight was to rid the world of Stanley's "great evil" (several of the other coalition members have been attacked by Stanley, though Jetstone itself has suffered only minor skirmishes with him prior to the current war according to Vinny). However, [[Vinny Doombats]] suspected that his real motivation is that he disliked how Stanley's rose from common infantry unit to [[Ruler]]. Ansom would deflect the question rather than answer it, giving the impression that the suspicion was correct.

Ansom strongly believed in the special status of royalty and nobility, considering it to be part of the right and proper order of things. This manifests as a strong sense of noblesse oblige and personal courage. On the other hand, it fed his tendency toward overconfidence and caused him to underestimate his "inferiors". The latter aspect of Ansom's personality was exploited by Parson as part of his plan to lead him into [[Parson's_Siege_Raids|a trap]].

He was in possession of, but was not attuned to, the [[Arkenpliers]]. Even unattuned, they have the ability to "turn most uncroaked to dust" but in his hands, showed no quirks like the Arkenhammer's ability to turn walnuts into birds and vice versa.

Ansom was ambushed by a [[veil|veiled]] [[Bogroll]], who was pretending to surrender as [[Parson]]. The [[twoll]] tackled him off of the [[Tower of Efdup]], and thus Ansom was [[Croaked|croaked]]. Bogroll died moments later, burned by the mob of enraged [[Royal Crown Coalition|RCC]] troops in the [[City#Known City Zones|Courtyard]].

Following the [[Volcano Uncroaking]], Ansom's corpse came into the possession of [[Wanda Firebaugh]], who had recovered the [[Arkenpliers]] and attuned to them. She proceeded to [[decrypt|raise]] Ansom, but the result was very different than previous [[uncroaked|uncroakings]]. Ansom returned as a Level 10 [[Warlord]], with nearly intact memory, an unknown but large amount of independence and volition, no upkeep cost, and will not decay. His visual appearance was not significantly changed, although his personal symbol of radishes were replaced with skulls. Superficially, he appears as a living [[Men|human]]. Mentally, however, he had changed greatly. Ansom was now loyal to his "Mistress" Wanda and has renounced his previous prejudices in favor of [[Royal|Royalty]]. Specifically, he agrees with [[Parson Gotti|Parson's]] statement declaring royalty to be "obsolete" -- a statement intended as an insult calculated to fluster and anger him into recklessness, but which Ansom now considers to be a sign that Parson spoke for the [[Titans]] themselves. Ansom is currently the [[Chief Warlord]] of [[Gobwin Knob]] and desires to take over the world in order to demonstrate his value to Wanda, and hopefully gain her love.

=Real World References=
Ansom's name is likely a play on the "Handsome Prince" and "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Charming Prince Charming]", archetypal characters common in fairy tales. The combination gives "Prince Handsome". The three brothers Tramennis, Ossomer, and Ansom all use the same naming convention (slurred pronunciations of Tremendous, Awesomer, and Handsome respectively) in keeping with the pattern of related characters having related names.
 

When in battle Ansom dresses like real-world daredevil [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evel_Knievel Evel Knievel], particularly when he is performing stunts{{erf|1|062}}.

Shortly after his decryption he asks to be reffered to as "The warlord formerly known as Prince". This is a reference to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_(musician) the artist formerly known as prince].

{{Office Holder
| Office=[[Chief Warlord]] of [[Jetstone]]
| Previous=Unknown
| Next=[[Prince Ossomer]]
}}
{{Office Holder
| Office=[[Chief Warlord]] of [[Gobwin Knob]]
| Previous=[[Parson Gotti]]
| Next=''None, incumbent''
}}

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[[Category:Real World References]]

Talk:Main Page

2009-11-01T23:25:33Z

Doran:

''For an archive of the old talk page, see [[Main_Page/talkarchive]]''

Excellent new front page Mimnet! -- [[User:Doran|Doran]] 23:25, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

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2009-11-01T23:21:21Z

Doran: added current annotation

'''''Love Is a Battlefield'' page 2''': [[LIAB_2|Annotations]]
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2009-08-10T17:27:40Z

Doran:

User talk:Kreistor

2009-07-05T03:41:24Z

Doran:

<pre><noinclude>{{subpage}}</noinclude></pre>

==Speculation definitions]==
http://www.erfworld.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=326&p=5216#p5216 - I'd be interested in knowing your thoughts. --[[User:Doran|Doran]] 03:40, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

User talk:Kreistor

2009-07-05T03:40:37Z

Doran:

<pre><noinclude>{{subpage}}</noinclude></pre>

==Speculation definitions]==
[http://www.erfworld.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=326&p=5216#p5216
] - I'd be interested in knowing your thoughts. --[[User:Doran|Doran]] 03:40, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

User talk:Kreistor

2009-07-05T03:40:19Z

Doran:

<pre><noinclude>{{subpage}}</noinclude></pre>

[Speculation definitions]
[http://www.erfworld.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=326&p=5216#p5216
] - I'd be interested in knowing your thoughts. --[[User:Doran|Doran]] 03:40, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Tower of Efdup

2009-06-29T15:17:45Z

Doran:

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==Proposed Canon==
The Tower of Efdup was a structure in the [[City#City_Zones|Garrison]] of [[Gobwin Knob]]. It somewhat resembled an air traffic control tower with a spire on top.{{erf|1|023}} The Tower was considered a [[zone]] of the garrison for the purpose of [[Unit]] [[Movement]]. It could only be attacked from Airspace and other [[City#City_Zones|Garrison]] [[zone]]s.{{Erf|1|116a|'Garrison zone has three parts: Tower, Courtyard, and Dungeon. For purposes of attack, Tower borders Airpsace, Courtyard borders Outer Walls, Dungeon borders Tunnels.'}} It provided a bonus to [[Casters]]{{Erf|1|116a|'If that's the Tower, the Spell casters will get a boost.'}}, though the specifics were never revealed.

===Interior===
The tower consisted of several distinctive sections:
*a section above ground level up to a round observation platform
*the observation platform and parapet
*a spire above the observation platform
All three sections were connected by a round staircase.{{erf|1|026}}

The section above ground level and up to a round observation platform contained:
*the situation room{{erf|1|045}}

The observation platform contained:
*an office for the [[Ruler]]
*a parapet that was used for observation{{erf|1|023}}
*a room where the [[Summon Perfect Warlord Spell|summoning spell]] was cast{{erf|1|017}} and {{erf|1|023}}

The spire above the observation platform contained:
*living quarters for some units, including [[Parson]]{{erf|1|035}} and probably [[Wanda]]{{erf|1|074}}
*four spikes, on which dragons perched{{erf|1|031}} {{erf|1|035}}

==Speculation==
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[[File:Gobwin_Knob.JPG|thumb|right|400px|'The Tower peeking over the Outer Walls of Gobwin Knob. From [http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F121.jpg Page 121.]']]
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It is not clear where the library{{erf|1|043}} and [[Wanda]]'s living quarters{{erf|1|027}} is located.

==Plot==
[[Parson]] lured [[Prince Ansom]] to the parapet under pretense of accepting Parson's surrender.{{erf|1|130}} Surrendering Parson turned out to be [[Bogroll]] in disguise, who knocked Ansom from his flying carpet and they both fell down to their death.{{erf|1|131}}

The Tower was destroyed when [[Sizemore]] collapsed the tunnels under [[Gobwin Knob]] following orders from [[Parson]].{{erf|1|132}}

==The Second Tower of Efdup==
[[Image:First_Intermission_1.jpg|left|thumb|The new Tower of Efdup in [[Gobwin Knob]] features more of a Neo-gothic architectural style reminiscent of the [[Real World|real world]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_ben Big Ben] in London.]]After the destruction of the original tower, and the end of the battle for [[Gobwin Knob]], [[Stanley the Tool|Stanley]] paid to have the [[Capital|city]] repaired to level 5. This included a new tower, with a completely new look. The new tower, unlike the original, is square, stately, and symmetrical. It still has a large number of stairs.

==Real World References==
The name is probably a pun on "The Tower of F'd Up", or more colloquially, it's an "F'ed up Tower".

[[Category:Locations of Erfworld]]
[[Category:Proposed Canon]]
[[Category:Speculation]]
[[Category:Real World References]]

Talk:Ashna

2009-06-28T11:37:37Z

Doran:

Anyone support this "You know why" thing? He explains why in the next sentence. Inclined to delete. Ashna is only showing concern anyone would show to a friend who is potentially depressed and maybe suicidal. Parson is only explaining that they know what his life is like. --[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 07:25, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

No no, you see, if he was explaining to everyone, he'd have said "You ''all'' know why" but he doesn't. He makes it a point to specifically say it to Ashna. - [[User:NemFX|NemFX]] 15:34, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
:Huh? Ashna is the one who asked him, so why should the reply be directed to anybody else? [[User:SteveMB|SteveMB]] 15:48, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

:That's really weak. And it is doubtful that a gamer would make a point of suggesting a sexual relationship in this instance. It suggests he isn't keeping it professional. It's important to a GM to remain objective and fair to all players, so referencing such a relationship in the presence of others is a very unprofessional choice. Parson is, we are lead to believe, the ultimate gamer, or at least the best gamer that would be willing to give up his life on Earth. Even thinking about a sexual relationship with a player ought to make his skin crawl, but if he did break down and give in, he would never hint at it in front of the other males, revealing the possibility of impropriety. It may be that Ashna has known him for longer, but this can be adequately explained by the fact that only Ashna is bringing up the subject. She asks and so he responds to her only: he may merely believe the other three don't need the explanation. Parson is a thinker, and this is merely Parson telling Ashna that she doesn't need to ask, because she is already aware of everything she needs to know to answer the question. Nothing he uses to epxplain isn't obvious to we the readers, and is far more obvious to his friends. --[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 15:51, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

:: Eh, depends on the tone of voice really, since its speculation, I'd say keep, its certainly possible. Plus Kreistor, you seem to be extropolating a lot yourself from a brief statement.--[[User:Doran|Doran]] 16:26, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
:::One can speculate that Parson is a green alien, if one wants: that doesn't mean it should be included as Spec on Parson's page. The general idea is that spec advances to Prop C advances to Canon. We have every piece of information on this subject we will ever have. It will never advance to Prop C, because Parson isn't going home in the foreseeable future: the comic is called Erfworld, not Sliders. It's clearly highly controversial, and it helps the analysis of Parson not at all. It's unprovable, will never be provable inside the scope of the comic, and so is a cute pet theory, but not justifiable to include even as Spec. Move it to Epileptic Twees, or take it up on the forum to look for serious support. I'm deleting it without anything other than opinion on a three word sentence taken out of context. --[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 16:47, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
::: [[Word_of_the_Titans#2198313|Not improvable]] --[[User:Doran|Doran]] 11:37, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I didn't say it was a sexual relationship, I just meant that from how I interpreted it, it seems like Ashna has more backstory with Parson than anyone else there. Granted, that was already assumed given that she shows some degree of compassion, but I think it just adds more to it. - [[User:NemFX|NemFX]] 17:29, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Ashna

2009-06-28T11:37:17Z

Doran:

Anyone support this "You know why" thing? He explains why in the next sentence. Inclined to delete. Ashna is only showing concern anyone would show to a friend who is potentially depressed and maybe suicidal. Parson is only explaining that they know what his life is like. --[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 07:25, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

No no, you see, if he was explaining to everyone, he'd have said "You ''all'' know why" but he doesn't. He makes it a point to specifically say it to Ashna. - [[User:NemFX|NemFX]] 15:34, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
:Huh? Ashna is the one who asked him, so why should the reply be directed to anybody else? [[User:SteveMB|SteveMB]] 15:48, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

:That's really weak. And it is doubtful that a gamer would make a point of suggesting a sexual relationship in this instance. It suggests he isn't keeping it professional. It's important to a GM to remain objective and fair to all players, so referencing such a relationship in the presence of others is a very unprofessional choice. Parson is, we are lead to believe, the ultimate gamer, or at least the best gamer that would be willing to give up his life on Earth. Even thinking about a sexual relationship with a player ought to make his skin crawl, but if he did break down and give in, he would never hint at it in front of the other males, revealing the possibility of impropriety. It may be that Ashna has known him for longer, but this can be adequately explained by the fact that only Ashna is bringing up the subject. She asks and so he responds to her only: he may merely believe the other three don't need the explanation. Parson is a thinker, and this is merely Parson telling Ashna that she doesn't need to ask, because she is already aware of everything she needs to know to answer the question. Nothing he uses to epxplain isn't obvious to we the readers, and is far more obvious to his friends. --[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 15:51, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

:: Eh, depends on the tone of voice really, since its speculation, I'd say keep, its certainly possible. Plus Kreistor, you seem to be extropolating a lot yourself from a brief statement.--[[User:Doran|Doran]] 16:26, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
:::One can speculate that Parson is a green alien, if one wants: that doesn't mean it should be included as Spec on Parson's page. The general idea is that spec advances to Prop C advances to Canon. We have every piece of information on this subject we will ever have. It will never advance to Prop C, because Parson isn't going home in the foreseeable future: the comic is called Erfworld, not Sliders. It's clearly highly controversial, and it helps the analysis of Parson not at all. It's unprovable, will never be provable inside the scope of the comic, and so is a cute pet theory, but not justifiable to include even as Spec. Move it to Epileptic Twees, or take it up on the forum to look for serious support. I'm deleting it without anything other than opinion on a three word sentence taken out of context. --[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 16:47, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
::: [[Word_of_the_Titans#2198313 Not improvable]] --[[User:Doran|Doran]] 11:37, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I didn't say it was a sexual relationship, I just meant that from how I interpreted it, it seems like Ashna has more backstory with Parson than anyone else there. Granted, that was already assumed given that she shows some degree of compassion, but I think it just adds more to it. - [[User:NemFX|NemFX]] 17:29, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Parson Gotti

2009-06-27T16:29:31Z

Doran:

== Who controls Parson? ==

I've seen some debate over who actually Parson most obey, Wanda or Stanley. I haven't seen this comic mentioned before but in the last panel of http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F020.jpg it looks like Wanda is issuing a command that P. should use Tool, not Lord. What do you think of that?

-Nope. Wanda's comment "you'll only use that word again," is a response to Parson's question, not a command. She means, "If I tell you how bad it is, you'll only swear ("use that word," boop) again."

==Disbanding==
I removed a sentence that someone added suggesting that Parson was disbanded without being "removed from the world". Sorry, man, but we do '''not''' know the effect of Disbanding. We do know that there is a Barbarian state. Disbanding may be a process whereby a unit becomes a barbarian. But that it disappears? Disbanding in our world merely means leaving the group you're in and wandering off home, '''not''' death. We do know that units are required to run farms, so disbanding to leave the military can mean the unit stops being military and becomes rural. We just do not know what the term means, and so using the term must be open enough to cover all possible definitions. 
--[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 14:01, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:We don't know for sure, but it doesn't seem to me that Sizemore would be all that alarmed about being disbanded (if they crossed Stanley's path after he told them to get out of his sight) if it just meant becoming a barbarian. [[User:SteveMB|SteveMB]] 15:05, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
::A barbarian without money to provide upkeep? Being a barbarian is ''not'' easy. Parson, as a barbarian, may die from starvation fairly quickly. In teh MK, they've got friends that may help them out, but that's not for Parson, as we saw. I'm not saying that being a barbarian is easy: it's hard, and a lot harder if you lack any units to support you, and have no reputation you can use to gain mercenary employment. Further, he'd be an unallied unit, in the midst of thousands of unled troops. Auto-attack rules come into effect -- he will die if disbanded inside GK, but not from the effect of disbanding, but from basic sword thrusts. --[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 16:19, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I don't think either Sizemore or Parson would have any trouble quickly striking an alliance or turning to a side if they went barbarian. Also, as noted above, Sizemore could probably just go to the MK (if he could make it to a portal... not sure how that would go). Sizemore definitely seemed in fear for their lives, and Parson surmizes in a Klog that Stanley has the ability to essentially kill him with a thought. Together, this seems to me enough evidence to guess that Disbanding is equivalent to death (or at least appears that way to the denizens of Erfworld), though we don't know the exact mechanics of how it works. [[User:Commander I. Heartly Noah|Commander I. Heartly Noah]] June 10 2009, 17:51 (UTC)
Disbanding came back again, this time while "still working for Stanley". Snip as being a purely theoretical state of existence unsupported by the comic. If he had disbanded, he would not be on Side, and he would be getting auto-attacked by any unlead unit. Parson is still on GK Side. Oh, yeah... Stanley wouldn't have to pay his upkeep anymore, he'd have to do that himself, and that would get noticed. --[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 06:50, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

== Why, exactly... ==

Why exactly is there a book 1 plot summary on Parson's character page? Seems really out of place.
--[[User:Jerichothebard|Jerichothebard]] 21:58, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

==Garrison?==

Removed "Garrison" from Parson's special abilities. Though he has not left the city yet, there is no reason to assume now that he can't. I would be much surprised if any Warlord could be a Garrison unit. [[User:Commander I. Heartly Noah|Commander I. Heartly Noah]] June 22, 2009, 17:59 (UTC)
::I agree with that decision, but on the subject of Garrison... it may be a temporary thing. Bogroll is a Garrison unit, but nothing physically stops him from leaving GK. Garrison may be added when assigned to the Garrison, and not a permanent state. So Parson might have Garrison for the moment, but not later. We will see.--[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 06:59, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
:He has difficulty moving around one hex, it's unlikely he can get to another. Plus, given all of his similarities to Bogroll, it seems likely that the unit type he is, is more likely not to go off around the world when he's controlling everything from the capitol. I think he should be considered garrison until proven in the story otherwise. - [[Special:Contributions/99.250.113.130|99.250.113.130]] 19:15, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
::But he hasn't ''attempted'' to leave the City yet. There's no reason to believe he's incapable of it until we see some evidence. Oh wait, yeah, he did - when he went through the portal to the Magic Kingdom. Not a long hike, but definitely out of the hex. His similarities to Bogroll? You mean that they're both tall and fat? How about that other twoll who was out in the field, and therefore clearly not a Garrison unit? Isn't he ''more'' similar than Parson? And ''to'' Parson, come to think of it, since they both have two eyes. Plus, getting around so laboriously is supposed to be evidence of him not fitting the rules, not of him being constrained by them. Maybe, instead of having a Move value, he can move as far as he's physically able. Oh yeah - Bogroll is a Garrison unit and doesn't get tired, so why is Parson's poor fitness indication that he's a Garrison unit? And the idea that Parson would be best served by staying in the city is no evidence that he can't leave. And all of that aside, we should default to assuming a special circumstance (like having a particular Natural Ability) is ''not'' the case until shown otherwise, not the other way around. [[User:Commander I. Heartly Noah|Commander I. Heartly Noah]] June 23, 2009, 01:43 (UTC)
:::Additionally, by breaking the hold of the Thikamancy in the Summon Spell, might he have begn the process of freeing himself from the game mechanics? As a player, he needs to remove the limitation of operating inside the system. He has to operate from above it. He may, ultimately, have to breach a Hex Wall. --[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 06:59, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
We are allowed to ''speculate'', yes? I hereby speculate that he ''is'' a garrison unit, and he may also ''potentially'' be a noble. When asked by Stanley on page 24, he is ''officially'' named Lord Hamster. Ansom later claims that this title means nothing, but Ansom is not infallible. Given Parson's quick adapting skills and his ability to attempt to metagame (when he meets Misty, he's trying to) it could be said that he's doing things better, and potentially levelling (without visible stats, nobody can tell) both are things Ansom has said nobles do better. - [[User:NemFX|NemFX]] 06:24, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
:There's a difference between Speculation and Pet Theories. If you want to pull somethign out of thin air, try it on the Forum first, and then if there's some positive feedback, consider putting it here. But if it's not got any support at all, there are a lot more people that disagree that can remove it than will put it back. Fantasize as much as you want, just not whee people are supposed to come to answer their questions. --[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 06:40, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

:: There is a [[Epileptic Twees|place for pet theories]] on the wiki, as well.--[[User:Doran|Doran]] 16:29, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Ashna

2009-06-27T16:26:57Z

Doran:

Epileptic Twees

2009-06-27T16:17:17Z

Doran:

This is a page for [[Speculation|speculative theories]] that aren't tied to a particular unit or concept, but
to the comic as a whole. Add a new theory under its own subheader.
Any theories, relying on [[Style_Guidelines#Spoilers|spoilers]] should be kept under the {{tl|Spoiler}} template.
Also can you please sign your theories with your wiki id, as it makes it easier to identify people.

Some Theories may be also found at the [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WMG/Erfworld WMG page of TV Tropes]

==Serious==

===Dancefight is a sign of unusual ambition===

Dancefight is not an inherent ability, but something that must be learnt. But because that means to admit that they are not perfect, most royals don't bother to learn. Stanley, Wanda, Vinny, Charley or Jillian don't have such sentiments. This willingness to improve themselves is also a prerequisite to attune to an arkentool. 
Stanley put effort into learning dancefight when he was infantry and was so successful that he was promoted to warlord.
: Ansom knows how to Dancefight (or, rather, Dance, Dance, Revolution! Fight) and was unable to attune to the Arkenpliers. I don't think dancefighting shows a "willingness to improve oneself" that distinguishes those who can attune from those who cannot.--[[User:Wrecan|Wrecan]] 21:10, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

'''Unusual exuberance, you mean.''' Wanda learned to dance-fight in Faq. But because there was no fighting before Jillian, and Faq was such a bubble kingdom, there was only one dance they learned... [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW6M8D41ZWU The YATTA! Dance.] (Warning: The link should not be watched by the weak of stomach, or in the act of drinking.)--[[User:BarGamer|BarGamer]] 21:18, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

==Silly==

===Bad Acid===
Ashna spiked Parson's Peeps with some bad acid. Parson's Klog #1 was RIGHT, this IS all a bad hallucinatory dream, a modern-day 'Wizard of Oz' or the more apt 'Alice in Wonderland,' complete with political commentary and bad puns. The trouble is, Parson doesn't get to escape and come back again before Book 2 comes out, because his RL body overdosed on it, or perhaps his immune system is just that weak, and he's in a permanent coma. (Or however long Jamie and Rob can ride this GravyTrain. XD)--[[User:BarGamer|BarGamer]] 21:18, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
[[Category:Speculation]]
====Dreamscale time====
To build on that, the entirety of book 1 might take place only within a few minutes of real time. Parson dreams very quickly.
====Seems the other gamers also had some====
One general problem with that theory is that the narrative regularly cuts away from Hamster, showing stuff he doesn't know about. For events within Erf, this could perhaps be explained away as the workings of his subconscious mental gamemaster; but in the last three panels of {{erf|1|016}}, set entirely in Stupidworld, the gaming group witnesses and comments on Parson's disappearance.

===Rejected Uncroaked Ansom===
The authors have really let something slip, here. The Arkenplier's creature focus is not Uncroaked... But the entire Side of Transylvito, which Ansom clearly resembled with his glowing red eyes, black motif, and unhealthy-looking skin. In fact, that was one of the reasons why Vinny and, by association, Transylvito joined the Coalition: Even when not attuned, the bearer of the ArkenPliers can inspire feelings of Loyalty, Obedience, and Duty (LOaD) in Transylvito units. This is proved by {{erf|1|042|Panel 9: 'I hereby revoke your permission to ask me difficult questions.'}}--[[User:BarGamer|BarGamer]] 21:18, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

I mean, Uncroaked are alright, but thinking, active Sides in your Alliance are something else, as proved by the Archon's similar LOaD to Charlie. In addition to being able to be popped like normal units, Transylvito units can also 'convert' others to their Side like Caesar Borgata threatened to do to Jillian in the last comic that he was featured in, by drinking the victim's blood, and making them drink Transylvito blood. If a unit is not Uncroaked, and another Transylvito unit is not nearby to assist in this, the ArkenPliers can do this directly by physically (Ansom's probable favored tactic)or Magically (Wanda's probable favored tactic) pulling on the victim's canines, making them longer.--[[User:BarGamer|BarGamer]] 21:18, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

===Jillian and Stanley screwed up with fate===

It was destined to collect all the arkentools in [[Faq]]. [[Jillian]] was the supposed wielder of the arkenhammer, and [[Stanley]] no more than a tool to bring it to her. Later she was supposed to find the arkenpliers and bring them to [[Wanda]]. The arkendish was supposed to go to [[Jack]]. A fourth known arkentool was reserved for the unnamed predictamancer of Faq.

Unfortunately Jillian was naughty and ignored an order to come home in the right time, thus condeming Faq and the predictamancer to obliteration. The arkenhammer felt that, became bored and choose Stanley as its wielder. --[[User:Welf von Ehrwald|Welf von Ehrwald]] 16:32, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

[[Category:Analysis]]
[[Category:Speculation]]

User talk:NemFX

2009-06-27T16:16:25Z

Doran:

NemFX, I just wanted to make certain you got this. Speculation is not for anyone's Pet Theories... the pages would grow so large that it would be impossible to maintian them. Further, it would get into Undo Wars as various people delete things they consider insane. So, if you want to discuss a theory, do it on the forums first, gauge how many poeple truly support it vs. those that do not, and then put it in the WIki if there's a reasonable positive response: no one is truly capable of determining the "reasonableness" of their own theories. We are not objective judges of our own ideas. The forums are designed for long, drawn out discussions, so if its at all controversial, bounce it around first, because you can. Remember, we all have to play here, and that includes deletion as well as addition, so we don't get to interpret everything the way we want it to be. We've done it this way so that we can keep the Wiki usable by those that are seeking accurate information. Basically, if you can't find any proof of a theory, it's not good enough for even Spec. 
BTW, I removed the "movement" thing from gwiffons. Check the "level" page. Increased stats for all units is a Prop C level item, and is not specific to gwiffons. Dwagons, certainly, provide evidence of this from Parson's description of the circle trap. 
You can delete this after reading it, if you like. Respond on my page.
--[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 07:37, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

*A good place for theories is the [[Epileptic Twees]] page. --[[User:Doran|Doran]] 16:16, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

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2009-06-09T15:55:48Z

Doran:

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2009-06-09T15:54:52Z

Doran: Created page with '{{pager int|3|First_Intermission}} Turns since TBfGK: 1 Baring his teeth into the wind, Stanley shook his head and swooped down again. The place was unrecognizable! He could se...'

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Turns since TBfGK: 1

Baring his teeth into the wind, Stanley shook his head and swooped down again. The place was unrecognizable! He could see Hamster, Maggie, and the...tunneler, the one who did toilet duty, Sideways or whatever his name was, on the new parapet of the new tower. But he didn't feel like buzzing them just yet.

He just kept swinging low over the new walls, the strange, powerful blocks of stone and mortar. The city was full of infantry, wearing white, black, red and...pink? Not enemies, Maggie'd told him. These were his forces, however weird they looked.

Banners were hanging all over the place with some kind of new logo: his own image, with a star-and-beams design. When he became an Overlord, he'd said that crests were Royalist and he wasn't going to have one. So who came up with this? He kind of liked it.

He circled and surveyed. There was the lake of lava, there was the stately, ornamented garrison, there was the new main gate, there was the lake again...

Where was Wanda?

Close behind Stanley as they circled, Jack and the Knight rode their puffing mounts. (Vurp. The Knight's name was Vurp. He was trying to get better about names.) He could hear the whip-snap of leather wings behind him, but those two knew better than to say anything when he was thinking.

Maybe Wanda was in the tower.

The Tool brought them in from Hamster's blind side, intending to pop up dramatically on the new perches. But as they neared the garrison, he got a closer look at the gleaming special regiments assembled for him below. Right, the Courtyard. That had to be Wanda, standing with a...blond warlord.

Oh. Oh, let that be Prince Ansom.

Stanley the Tool of the Titans nosed his dwagon over, and dropped into a dramatic dive.

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2009-06-09T15:53:23Z

Doran:

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Doran:

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=====References=====
#{{note|EightCasters}}Proceeding clockwise from Parson, the eight figures appear to be references to:
##Dr. Strange from Marvel Comics
##The Wicked Witch of the West as seen in the movie ''The Wizard of Oz''
##Jeannie from ''I Dream Of Jeannie''
##Orko from ''He-Man and the Masters of the Universe''
##Carl Sagan
##?
##Hermoine Granger
##Dumbledore

ErfWiki talk:Style Guide

2009-05-30T23:27:57Z

Doran:

==Links to Other Articles==
One thing to think about is whether we link a word in an article every time it is used or only the first time it is used. -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 07:45, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
:Linking only once (or once per section, if it's a big article) tends to be better at avoiding "link salad", where every other word is linked to something. —[[User:Revenant|Revenant]][[User talk:Revenant|Talk]] 12:59, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
::I have to disagree. I know that what I was initially doing was too mcuh, but one link per page is far too little. There is nothing as frustrating as reading a 20 page Wikipedia article, finding an intriguing name, and then not being able to click on it. That name is somewhere in 20 pages... and I need to hunt through it because some people don't like a little blue with their black? How is one link per paragraph? --[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 01:18, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
:::While I see the logic, I also disagree (Manpower the Temporary is the whole point of the joke). I think Stanley is the only character that has had a name change. Worst case, we could redirect Stanley the Plaid to Stanley the Tool. Even if we do make the change, the full title should be included on the character page. --[[User:Raphfrk|Raphfrk]] 09:49, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree that references should be made to the three sources named, but we shouldn't completely rule out other sources. For example the "Stanley song" on FuMP: http://www.thefump.com/lyrics.php?id=107 or the Hamstard comic: http://www.hamstard.com/ or interviews or the knol stuff: http://knol.google.com/k/robert-balder/erfworld/23skug9txczm1/2 . --[[User:Welf von Ehrwald|Welf von Ehrwald]] 12:38, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

:''(So <nowiki>[[Erfworld mechanics]]</nowiki> does not link to Erfworld Mechanics.) ''
This is why it's generally a good idea to name pages in sentence case (capitalise first word and proper nouns only). Makes it a lot easier to make links in natural language without <tt><nowiki>[[Awkward Capitalisation]]</nowiki></tt>, <tt><nowiki>[[Redundant Link Titles|redundant link titles]]</nowiki></tt>, or (almost) pointless redirects. —[[User:Revenant|Revenant]][[User talk:Revenant|Talk]] 12:51, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

== Canon, Proposed Canon, and Speculation sections ==

<tt>Canon</tt>, <tt>Proposed Canon</tt>, and <tt>Speculation</tt> sections are currently mostly using <tt><nowiki>=First-level headings=</nowiki></tt>, which are equivalent to <tt><h1></tt> tags. As already noted on the page, this isn't ideal – in fact, good practice for HTML would have exactly one of these per page, as the page title (which the wiki software already does). Rather than massive headings, I'm actually thinking that we should put together some little templates (a la the Wikipedia Spoiler templates of old) to mark sections of the page as being of whatever canon status and automagically include 'em in the proper categories for review. In fact, I might whip up something basic to illustrate. <tt>:)</tt> —[[User:Revenant|Revenant]][[User talk:Revenant|Talk]] 10:48, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
:Something like: {{Canon}}{{Proposed Canon}}{{Speculation}} Howzat? <tt>:)</tt> By the way, I used [http://colorschemedesigner.com/#2B42boTRRw0w0 this] for the colour scheme, in case anyone was curious. —[[User:Revenant|Revenant]][[User talk:Revenant|Talk]] 11:18, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
::Speculation is a bit dark and canon is a bit ugly. however, I'm a bit colorblind so take that as you will.--[[User:Ichthus|Ichthus]] 14:40, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
::When using color in a webpage, something too vivid or dark can be hard on the eyes, or just hard to read -- so it's really really important to be careful. I think these could use a little color-shifting -- if they were in the pastel color range, it could work well. As is, though.. they seem too distracting and attention-grabbing. [[User:R3u|R3u]] 02:22, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Both valid points. I did test out the "Simulate color vision deficiency" options, but obviously it can only simulate. Is, say, [http://colorschemedesigner.com/#2B42bii--g0g0 this] better? Feel free to play with the tool/template colours yourselves, I'm by no means precious about them. <tt>:)</tt> —[[User:Revenant|Revenant]][[User talk:Revenant|Talk]] 03:43, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
::::I wonder if we can get a color palette from the Artists? I nabbed RGB values from some of the dwagons already: [[Dwagon#Dwagon_Types]].--[[User:Fluffums|Fluffums]] 04:07, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

==Capitalization==

We need to standardize on the use of capitals. I'm putting them in, others taking them out, and it's would be better if things were consistent. There is a good reason to capitalize terms that have rules behind them. Take, for instance the term [[Turn]]. For the purpose of game rules, Turn has a particular meaning, but it has other meanings as well. I can turn the knob on a dial. In order to distinguish Turn vs. turn, most game systems capitalize Turn. I suggest that wherever a game term is being used, it should be capitalized for clarity.

The other alternative is to Link every use of a defined term, in every single instance. But instead of a single letter change ('This' instead of 'this'), that requires '((This|that))', which is more work.

The following are a short list of game terms that should be capitalized: Turn, Side, Capital, Unit, Stack, Combat, Defense, Warlord, Caster, Barbarian.
--[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 12:50, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
:I agree – capitalise where we're referring to a game mechanic. —[[User:Revenant|Revenant]][[User talk:Revenant|Talk]] 13:53, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
::Ditto. That said, we should also strive to link the first use of a capitalized game mechanic term.--[[User:Fluffums|Fluffums]] 04:01, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone else have any feedback, or can we go ahead with choosing which terms are always cap'ed? --[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 20:30, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Nothing more said against. SO terms to Capitalize: Unit, Stack, Hex, Commander, Warlord, Chief Warlord, Overlord, Caster, Move (as a stat), Combat (as a stat), Defense, Hits, Turn, Side, Movement (as Movement Hex-to-Hex, not movement inside a Hex). --[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 05:23, 7 May 2009 (UTC) 
 
There has been absolutely no discussion on this in weeks, and we're still working at cross purposes. Please chime in, because clearly others don't agree. --[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 02:14, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

==References==
I found out why <ref> doesn't work. It requires an extension that has not been installed. See this [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite/Cite.php Page] on MediaWiki. If Rob ever adds this extension, we should get rid of the sup /sup methd and switch to proper referencing. Unless someone out there knows how to do it without that extension. --[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 12:58, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
:[[User talk:Balder#References|Indeed]]. I think our best bet if we want "proper" references is to use the older [[Wikipedia:Template:Ref|Ref]]/[[Wikipedia:Template:Note|Note]] system. Alternatively, we could stick with plain links – it's not like this is an encyclopedia, we don't need a bibliography/references section. Inline links would be fine, IMO. —[[User:Revenant|Revenant]][[User talk:Revenant|Talk]] 13:03, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
::I've got a working basic copy of the old [[Template:Ref|Ref]]/[[Template:Note|Note]] system working on this wiki. Feel free to try it out. —[[User:Revenant|Revenant]][[User talk:Revenant|Talk]] 13:51, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
I think we need to avoid multiple redundant references on the same thing, to avoid clutter, for example
the breath weapon column in the [[Dwagon]] article. --[[User:Doran|Doran]] 18:01, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Just something to watch out for, the page numbering on the archive is different from the page numbering on giantipt.com. This may cause misaligned links, when people are changing the giantipt links to the erfworld.com page.

For example,

http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F060.jpg

is different from

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0060.html

Has there been any comment if the current indexing is 'stable' ?

--[[User:Raphfrk|Raphfrk]] 12:03, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
:The hilarious thing about this (for me) is that it's exactly the file naming scheme I used when saving the archives to my HDD, so for me there's zero adjustment needed. <tt>:P</tt> —[[User:Revenant|Revenant]][[User talk:Revenant|Talk]] 04:30, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Stumbled onto a bug in the Erf template. If you do 'erf|1|0xx|whatever [something] whatever' and then hit "Preview", clicking on the edit window will send you to the comic 0xx. Freaky. Just a heads up... don't put [ ] into the hovers.
--[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 20:25, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
:Addressed on [[Template talk:Erf]]. —[[User:Revenant|Revenant]][[User talk:Revenant|Talk]] 05:05, 5 May 2009 (UTC) 
 
References seem to be working out okay. Erf template is working fine. This section of discussion appears closed. Shall we delete it as irrelevant? --[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 02:16, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

== Reusable formatting ==

If there is a little bit of block formatting or tables that is used over and over such as the stat blocks or the school of magic breakdown, please be sure to request a template. This will allow everything to appear consistent. I imagine we will end up making templates for factions, capitals, in the near future. We just have to decide on what they'll look like and what information we want in them.--[[User:Ichthus|Ichthus]] 14:57, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

== Canon Future Spoilers ==
Came across this when doing [[Word_of_God#2198313|2198313]], are we okay with putting them in white text.
There may be a template for doing so. --[[User:Doran|Doran]] 18:48, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
:Created {{tl|Spoiler}}, a la TVTropes. {{Spoiler|Works like this}}. —[[User:Revenant|Revenant]][[User talk:Revenant|Talk]] 04:06, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks! Although we need a better definition of 'spoiler' as some people are going to see any future speculation as spoilers ala the Giantitp forums, and some just the creator's explicit spoilers. Any thoughts? --[[User:Doran|Doran]] 16:02, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I think that most things that have shown up in the actual pages of the comic should not count as spoilers -- people can finish reading the comic before checking the wiki, and the wiki will look strange if 90% of it ends up being in white text. I think that future speculation should just be 'speculation', and put in that section, while specific commentary from the comic creators counts as 'spoiler' if it refers to future events. My 2 cents. [[User:R3u|R3u]] 20:45, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
::::I do not like GitP's def'n of spoiler. But, I think anyone reading the Wiki is going to see Spoilers. All of the Game Mechanics are spoilers for a new reader, and putting the entire definition of [[Turn]] into white text is, well, not desirable. I think it's best that when we get around to creating a Header for the pages that all headers just include a general spoiler warning, and then don't bother with worrying about anything specific in the text. --[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 20:29, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Added a fairly narrow definition of spoiler on the page - things revealed by the creators relating to the future comic direction. --[[User:Doran|Doran]] 20:37, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::That's not the description of Spoilers. Spoilers are any events in the comic that a new reader would not be aware of. For instance, if I were standing in line for Empire Strikes Back and someone said as he left, "I can't believe Vader is Luke's dad!" then I was just spoiled. Spoilers are unavoidable on the Wiki, by its very nature. All those rules were spoilers, since they are based of events late in the BfGK that would spoil a new reader. --[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 20:46, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Let me just cast my vote for the wiki to be written with the up-to-date reader as the audience. If you are starting from the beginning, you really should just read the whole comic. If you don't want to read the whole comic, then the wiki should provide you with the information you need to make sense of what is going on. In other words, I believe the entire wiki should be considered a spoiler. If we really have to, maybe part of the icon or a line on every page of the wiki should read, "Erfwiki is a spoiler. Read Erfworld first."--[[User:Fluffums|Fluffums]] 03:54, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

By 'spoilers', I mean an example such as [[Word_of_the_Titans#2198313|this on Word of the Titans]], not just anything you can get by reading the comic. I agree with the erfwiki as a spoiler, but i think anything relying on such as the above should be its slef hidden hbehind spoilers. --[[User:Doran|Doran]] 13:47, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

=== Uncroaked Character Images ===

For characters that start off alive, perform things, and only later become uncroaked of some variety -- do we want the pictures on their page to include pictures of them before uncroaking, after uncroaking, whichever way they spent the most of the story, or both? Could this count as a spoiler, in the case of people like Webinar and Dora, or does it not matter? [[User:R3u|R3u]] 20:45, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
:Wait on that until Spoiler decisions are made. If no spoilers allowed, then it has to be the first image only. --[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 20:35, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
::While this must wait until the spoiler decision is made, I suggest that with the Erfwiki-as-spoiler option we use a picture of the character's current or most recent form, and then include previous forms in a sub-section.--[[User:Fluffums|Fluffums]] 03:54, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

==Erworld Mechanics==
I have been stripping out mentions of specific people in Mechanics pages. Mechanics are rules, and so should be written as rules, not descriptions of what people have done. Those activities are references to support a proposed rule. So for isntance, "Parson can't see Level with his glasses, but others can." is not a rule. The rule is "Warlords can see the Level stat". Parson is an exception to the rule, anbd all of his exceptions should be shown on his page. Parson-specific exceptions are not rules, and should not be mentioned on mechanics pages.

As for writing rules... be definitive. "Apparantly" is not definitive: it is inconclusive. 'Apparant' comes from 'appears' which means you are simply stating an observation, and observations are mere references for rules, not rules themselves. If you think you know something because you interpret an image in a particular way, then say it with confidence! If we don't agree, well, we'll change it and you can argue it out on the forums or on the discussion page. --[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 20:43, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

==Naming Conventions==
I'm sure there are more, but I've noticed already pretty haphazard page naming. The first one that comes to mind is character names. We oughtn't use titles and pseudonyms in page names, because of the risk that a character's title will change. For example, had we been making this wiki from the beginning, Stanley's page would have been Stanley the Plaid. If we wanted to keep up with titles, we'd then have to move it to Stanley the Tool. If he then gets another arkentool and changes his name to Stanley the Toolbox, we'd have to move it again. If he's finally deposed and becomes just plain Stanley, there's another move. The logical manner to deal with this is just to put character pages under their name, and nothing more. Stanley, not Stanley the Tool. Manpower, not Manpower the Temporary. Et cetera. --[[User:Erk|Erk]] 20:53, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
:We don't have to move pages when names change. We can just make a redirect. It is not that I am really happy with [[Stanley the Tool]], but it is not a problem as long as [[Stanley]] and [[Stanley the Plaid]] redirect to it. It works fine.
:As for titles: following your logic we should move Archduke Ferdinand to Ferdinand. Do I get it right? Half of the titles used in the comics mean something. I doubt I would get the joke if the character is referred to Ferdinand or [[Manpower]] or [[Phat-Singh]]. Even if it is a title, it still has a critical importance.
:Anyway, let's wait and see. Things work as they are at the moment. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, they say. If Rob or Jamie decide that [[Manpower the Temporary]] should be moved to [[Manpower]], they can do it or tell us to do it. That is my opinion. -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 07:24, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
::Well, I disagree with your reasoning: the humour of a name shouldn't be a factor in naming its article, because the article name is just a place to find the page. The name should be evidently funny and mentioned in its funny context within the page. Further, moving pages is not a substitute for bad naming conventions: mediawiki only supports a single redirection, after which it breaks. What I mean is, if we started with Stanley the Plaid, then moved it to Stanley the Tool, we'd be fine, but if we then moved it again to Stanley the Titan, all the old links to Stanley the Plaid would break. With minor characters like Archduke Ferdinand it's really trivial, but then, it's also really trivial to have him called Archduke Ferdinand throughout the article. The name of the page isn't what we have to refer to him as whenever we talk about him.
::That said, I asked the Balder, and he says multiple name changes will be so rare that we don't need to fuss about it, so we're cool: if it's not going to come up practically then I'm not concerned. Cheers! --> '''[[User:Erk|ERK!]]'''|[[User_talk:Erk|eyeBook me]] 15:50, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
:::A better example of where I think this is a problem is [[Prince Ansom]]. He's not a prince anymore, he's [[decrypted]], so he's just Ansom. Because the page was "prince ansom" before, now all the old wikilinks to "prince ansom" will be out of date. If the page had just been made as [[Ansom]] in the first place, and the initial ''text'' had made it clear he was Prince Ansom, this would not be a problem. --> '''[[User:Erk|ERK!]]'''|[[User_talk:Erk|eyeBook me]] 17:17, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
:So we're suffering a little from the prejudices of earlier authors. Deal. Ansom = Prince Ansom, so Ansom|Ansom the deCrypted still hits the same page. Or create a Redirect yourself for something you think should be defined. Most people will type "Jillian" into the Search, not "Jillian Zamussels", so as long as the short form is in the list, it'll work out just fine. --[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 05:17, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
::That was my point too. As long as all variations of the name redirect to one page it does not matter what the name of the page is (IMO). We can always move a page. Hell, if Rob or Jamie think that this is of critical importance, they would do it themselves. I'd say we still have other, more important things to do at the moment. -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 21:30, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I think you both missed where I said "we're cool: if it's not going to come up practically then I'm not concerned". I just think we need an organised convention for future pages, which will prevent any more work coming up at a later date. I am giving you examples of what I mean so that we may discuss.
:::And, once again, letting things lie with redirection is bad wiki practice. It leads to broken links that look like they work. This is not cool. --> '''[[User:Erk|ERK!]]'''|[[User_talk:Erk|eyeBook me]] 21:42, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

==Color Conventions==
I propose that we develop a standard palette for anything with a background color on Erfwiki. I further propose that we base the palette on the Erfworld palette, as this is fitting and will complement images from Erfworld. As an example, I have pulled RGB values from the dwagons featured in Erfworld:
* Dwagon Pink = rgb(221,163,175)
* Dwagon Red = rgb(199,61,61)
* Dwagon Yellow = rgb(209,200,97)
* Dwagon Green = rgb(109,165,116)
* Dwagon Blue = rgb(84,109,165)
* Dwagon Purple = rgb(114,76,117)
* Dwagon Black = rgb(73,51,53)
Even if we don't use these colors, I believe Erfwiki's aesthetic will be enhanced by a Erfworld-based palette.--[[User:Fluffums|Fluffums]] 04:44, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
:Having a predefined colour palette is a great idea. What do you propose we use dwagon colours for though? I think first we should decide what we'd be using these colours for, then decide what erfworld palette colours to swipe for them. --> '''[[User:Erk|ERK!]]'''|[[User_talk:Erk|eyeBook me]] 15:52, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
:I have no problems with that, but remember that any colour selected should be fine for black text to appear on. --[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 05:14, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
:Currently, the stat boxes for units listing Move, Defense, and such are a nice blue. We also have Revenant's proposed section headers for Canon/Spectulation. Those are the only two places I know we're using color. For the stat box, we might try to match the color used in Klog #4 (http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F040a.jpg). For the section headers, just about anything could probably be used. Kreistor brings up a good point about black text, but I like that the stat box matches the comic with white text.--[[User:Fluffums|Fluffums]] 06:40, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

==Move to ErfWiki:Style Guidelines==
We should get the Meta pages out of the regular wiki space and into the ErfWiki space, methinks. It's good wiki organisation. --> '''[[User:Erk|ERK!]]'''|[[User_talk:Erk|eyeBook me]] 03:59, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

==Analysis==
What do people feel about creating another category called Analysis, not for speculation, but for analysing stuff that has already happened e.g. the [[Parsons_Plans]] pages.--[[User:Doran|Doran]] 13:47, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:I like this. Let's have it for sure. [[User:Balder|Balder]] 00:07, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:: [[Analysis|Done]] [[User:Doran|Doran]] 23:27, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

ErfWiki:Community Portal

2009-05-30T22:04:55Z

Doran:

If you are willing to help, check out this list of "notes to self" maintained by several Erfwiki contributors. This is not an action plan for everyone to follow. But you can certainly help if you take a look and do some of these things.

Things are listed roughly in the order of decreasing urgency: urgent stuff is on top, long term things are in the bottom.

====Ongoing stuff====
* Keep [[Plot Summary]] updated
* Keep [[Descriptive Table of Contents]] updated
* Do detailed [[Page Annotation]]
* Copy [http://www.giantitp.com/forums/search.php?do=finduser&u=2910 Rob's posts], and Jamie's posts that contain important information about Erfworld on the [http://www.giantitp.com/forums/ GitP forums] and [http://www.erfworld.com/forum/ these forums] to [[Word of the Titans]] article for easier reference and in order to save information.

====Urgent stuff====
* Check all Erfworld-related articles and make sure that they follow Canon/Proposed Canon/Speculation scheme that Rob suggested
* Update other articles with references to the [http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/ comic archive on erfworld.com] (as opposed to that on [http://www.giantitp.com/ GitP.com]). Use the [[Template:Erf|<nowiki>{{erf}} template</nowiki>]].
* Come up with [[Style Guidelines]] for Erfwiki (they are still under discussion, but it would be great if you followed them, and helped [[Talk:Style Guidelines|develop them]]).
* [[Help:Contents|Import Help sections from media wiki]]

====Long term stuff====
* Make [[Plot Summary]] more detailed as Rob wants
* Find and add Erfworld cameos to [[Erf Cameos]].

====Maintenance Tasks====
* Regularly check on the list of [[Special:WantedPages|Wanted Pages]] to see if there is anything you can contribute. (1863 of these found at 09:55, 19 May 2009 (UTC))
**441 as of 22:04, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
* Keep an eye on [[Special:DeadendPages|Dead-End]], [[Special:UncategorizedPages|Uncategorized]], and [[Special:LonelyPages|Unused]] pages. As well as [[Special:UnusedCategories|Unused Categories]]. Attempt to fix as appropriate.

[[Category:Wiki]]

ErfWiki:Community Portal

2009-05-30T22:04:39Z

Doran:

If you are willing to help, check out this list of "notes to self" maintained by several Erfwiki contributors. This is not an action plan for everyone to follow. But you can certainly help if you take a look and do some of these things.

Things are listed roughly in the order of decreasing urgency: urgent stuff is on top, long term things are in the bottom.

====Ongoing stuff====
* Keep [[Plot Summary]] updated
* Keep [[Descriptive Table of Contents]] updated
* Do detailed [[Page Annotation]]
* Copy [http://www.giantitp.com/forums/search.php?do=finduser&u=2910 Rob's posts], and Jamie's posts that contain important information about Erfworld on the [http://www.giantitp.com/forums/ GitP forums] and [http://www.erfworld.com/forum/ these forums] to [[Word of the Titans]] article for easier reference and in order to save information.

====Urgent stuff====
* Check all Erfworld-related articles and make sure that they follow Canon/Proposed Canon/Speculation scheme that Rob suggested
* Update other articles with references to the [http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/ comic archive on erfworld.com] (as opposed to that on [http://www.giantitp.com/ GitP.com]). Use the [[Template:Erf|<nowiki>{{erf}} template</nowiki>]].
* Come up with [[Style Guidelines]] for Erfwiki (they are still under discussion, but it would be great if you followed them, and helped [[Talk:Style Guidelines|develop them]]).
* [[Help:Contents|Import Help sections from media wiki]]

====Long term stuff====
* Make [[Plot Summary]] more detailed as Rob wants
* Find and add Erfworld cameos to [[Erf Cameos]].

====Maintenance Tasks====
* Regularly check on the list of [[Special:WantedPages|Wanted Pages]] to see if there is anything you can contribute. (1863 of these found at 09:55, 19 May 2009 (UTC))
**441 as of --[[User:Doran|Doran]] 22:04, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
* Keep an eye on [[Special:DeadendPages|Dead-End]], [[Special:UncategorizedPages|Uncategorized]], and [[Special:LonelyPages|Unused]] pages. As well as [[Special:UnusedCategories|Unused Categories]]. Attempt to fix as appropriate.

[[Category:Wiki]]

User talk:Balder

2009-05-30T22:02:38Z

Doran:

==References==
In trying to get the reflist template to work (aka, copy in the template code), I'm wondering if it's to do with [http://www.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum:Template:Reflist&t=20080321150150 this] change to Common.css not having been done? Or am I missing something terribly simple? --[[User:OniExpress|OniExpress]] 04:31, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
:Using new-style references via <nowiki><ref>, <references> and {{reflist}}</nowiki> requires [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite/Cite.php Cite.php] to be installed. Without it, your best bet is to convert the page to use the older [[Wikipedia:Template:Ref|Ref]]/[[Wikipedia:Template:Note|Note]] system. Cheers! —[[User:Revenant|Revenant]][[User talk:Revenant|Talk]] 12:01, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
::So far we have been using a simple workaround: <nowiki>[http://www.google.com]</nowiki> displays [http://www.google.com]. It might not look as good as Wikipedia references, but at least it is easy to do plus it does the numbering automatically. If somebody comes with a better idea it would be nice. Just keep it simple, please! :) -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 15:32, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

== Images ==

A question I wanted to pose. I was thinking that images in some of the wikis here would be nice; not so much that they are strictly necessary (it's horribly unlikely that someone would see a wiki here before the relevant entry in the comic itself), but it strikes me that they would be beneficial in a few places. But obviously it's not my or any of our art, and regardless that you maintain/gain the rights of anything entered here, I figured this was a question better asked before rather than after. Oh, and I honestly haven't even checked to see if file uploads are an activated feature here yet, but who fusses over the little details like that? :P --[[User:OniExpress|OniExpress]] 01:34, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah Images are awesome and anything is fair game. I'm even going so far as to say I'm not going to question the use of copyrighted images we don't own until the owner objects to their use here, for now. That policy is subject to change. --[[User:Balder|Balder]] 06:32, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

:It looks like someone's going to have to enable uploading before we can add any image files. [[User:Henry|Henry]] 07:45, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

::Image files now enabled and tested. Working! --[[User:Balder|Balder]] 13:46, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

:::Thanks! =) [[User:Henry|Henry]] 01:33, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

:::Thanks for that as well. :) They arn't necessary, and I didn't want to step on any toes with the matter. The [[Titans]] wiki made me think of it the most initially. I'll get some work done editing images down to proper proportions tomorrow afternoon. --[[User:OniExpress|OniExpress]] 00:54, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

==Canon, proposed canon and speculation==
Hi Rob! Several questions here:
*You created a page for [[Croaking]]. Can we automatically consider the text that you wrote a [[Canon]] since it is the "Word of God"?
*You have written quite a lot of information on the [http://www.giantitp.com/forums/ GitP forums]. I see it as pretty valuable for readers since it is the "Word of God", basically. I do not know about Rich's plans about the Erfworld forum on the GitP forums, but I assume there is a chance it might not last. Can we save your messages in some form in this Wiki, for example as [[Word of God]] article with references to the GitP forum posts? I guess it would make it possible to refer to it as to.. well, the Word of God. What do you think?
*<s>There is some information on this Wiki that is taken right from the comic (for example, magic disciplines in [[Magic]]). Would that be Speculation or Proposed Canon? Can unambiguous information with references to comic strips (like [[Caesar Borgata]] is [[Chief Warlord]] to [[Transylvito]][http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0125.html]) be considered Proposed Canon?</s> 
Thank you! -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 14:07, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
: UPD: Sorry, I have not read the [[Main_Page#Rules|rules]] well enough. I think Speculation and Proposed Canon are explained quite explicitly there. -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 18:27, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
::UPD: I made the [[Word of God|page]]. Hope you don't mind. -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 21:12, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey Rob,
I'm not sure about what type(s) the [[Parsons_Plans|Parson's plans]] article and related articles should be. They're unlikely to directly become canon, or proposed canon, but are mostly different from pure speculation, as the links can be fairly obvious but not completely spelled out by the comic/word of God.
Thanks, [[User:Doran|Doran]] 00:56, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
:Hm, dunno. I guess they're another type of page, a list page? [[User:Balder|Balder]] 23:07, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

==Luckmancy vs Luckamancy==
Hi Rob! 
On one occasion this discipline of Magic is call [http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0040.html Luckmancy] (and apparently Luckmancers). On [http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0142.html others] it is [http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0142.html LuckAmancy] and [http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0060.html Luckamancers]. What is the right name? -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 08:01, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
:Luckamancy is right. Much like "Vinny" is right and I know at least one "Vinnie" got through lettering. We'll need some help rounding up all bloopers.

==Plot Summary from Wikipedia==
Hi Rob! 
I think I managed to copy the current article + 2 earlier versions of the plot summary from the Wikipedia. I copied the text to [[Wikipedia|this article]]. In the next few days I (and whoever willing to help) will try to merge the three versions. I suppose we can then copy the plot summary to a [[Plot Summary|separate page]]. 
Please let know if we can provide any further assistance. -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 09:43, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
: Awesome Muzzafar, thanks for all your hard work! [[User:Balder|Balder]] 05:36, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
:: It's my pleasure! I really appreciate your appreciation. :D
:: I did my best to combine the three revisions of the plot summary and copied it over [[Plot Summary|here]].
:: I guess we could also use [http://knol.google.com/k/robert-balder/erfworld/23skug9txczm1/2# your knol] to further improve the plot summary, couldn't we? Please advise. -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 15:55, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
::: Sure, though SteveMB wrote most of the knol. I should be doing more with that as well. We'll make it a priority after we launch and get the bugs out. But yes, I would like to see a very detailed plot summary, and eventually a wiki article annotating every page. There's enough to keep many people busy here for a long time! [[User:Balder|Balder]] 16:58, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

== Hippiemancy ==

Is the Fate Axis of Hippiemancy supposed to be 'Singamancy' or 'Signamancy'? It is shown as 'Signamancy' in the magic axis Klog[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0040.html]. -- [[User:Ichthus|Ichthus]] 17:27, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
: Signamancy. Like the Peace sign, man. Like the protest sign, man. Signs, signs, everywhere a sign. Far out. [[User:Balder|Balder]] 17:32, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

== Descriptive Table of Contents ==
I took the liberty to update the [[Descriptive Table of Contents]]. -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 17:50, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

== Page Annotation ==
Started [[Page Annotation]] project. I guess we need your contribution (in form of guidance and advice). -- [[User:Muzzafar|Muzzafar]] 11:26, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

== Class vs Special ==

Which would you prefer us to lay things out in?

{{Stats
|name= Sir Bravo
|race=[[Men]]
|class= [[Caster]] ([[Signamancy]])
|level= 4
}}
{{Stats
|name= Lady Alpha
|race=[[Men]]
|level= 4
|special= [[Caster]], [[Signamancy]]
}}

==Fan Created Stuff==
Rob, could you please add a section to the main page concerning people adding fan-created pages.
Someone added [[Feildebeat|these]] [[Boogiemen|ones]], so for now I added <nowiki>[[Category:Fan Created]]</nowiki> it, and added "Fan " in front of the categories. --[[User:Doran|Doran]] 00:24, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:As per discussion with the Balder, I've expanded on your work, Doran. There are now three classes of fan material, with catchy names. [[ErfWiki:Fanon|Fanon]], [[ErfWiki:Banon|Banon]], and the intermediate [[ErfWiki:Forked Fanon|'forked up' fanon]]. Hope I got those more or less right, Rob; it's late so I may have jumbled something. --> '''[[User:Erk|ERK!]]'''|[[User_talk:Erk|eyeBook me]] 04:48, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

== Actual Game ==

Let me preface this by saying that I know that the comic and the game are separate. You are aiming to tell a story and its a darn good one so far.

However, as an avid gamer and amateur game designer, I can't help but notice there's a very compelling and rather robust system behind the story. I also see that you're a game designer by trade. I was wondering... Are there were plans to take the Erfworld setting/system and turn it into an ACTUAL game? I know that I would buy it if it was. I'm certain others would as well.

Just curious.

-Tug
:This wiki is going to be used to work out a final set of game mechanics and tables which is consistent with the comic, and internally logical as well. Then we can use that as the basis for several types of games, developed by third parties and/or fans, with my guidance. That's the theory, anyway. More direction on that coming in a little while. [[User:Balder|Balder]] 09:18, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

== Analysis ==

Please can you edit the main page to add the [[Analysis]] [[Category:Analysis|category]], thanks -- [[User:Doran|Doran]] 22:02, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Gobwin Insurrection: Part I

2009-05-30T21:56:37Z

Doran:

==Analysis==

{{battle
|prev= ''None''
|conc= [[Gobwin Insurrection]]
|next= [[Gobwin Insurrection: Part II]]
|name= Gobwin Insurrection Part I
|image=
|conflict= Gobwin Insurrection
|date=
|place= Gobwin Knob
|result= King Saline Croaked; Gobwin forces take over Gobwin Knob
|side1= [[Gobwin Knob| Gobwin Knob & Tribe of the Plaid]]
|side2= Gobwin insurrectionists
|commanders1=*[[King Saline IV]]
|commanders2=* ''unknown''
|forces1=*''unknown''
|forces2=*Gobwins
*''possibly'' Hobgobwins
|casual1=*[[King Saline IV]]
*''additional unknown''
|casual2=*''unknown''
}}

''"I'm still not sure. Stanley took [[Sizemore Rockwell|me]] and a number of other casters out on a special mission one turn. He was [[Chief Warlord]] to Saline then. When we returned the city had fallen to a sneak attack from below. Saline was put to the sword. The Gobwins...broke their alliance and hit the city. Very odd."'' -- [[Sizemore Rockwell]] {{Erf|1|079}} 

[[Category:Fan Named]]
[[Category:Proposed Canon]]
[[Category:Analysis]]

Gobwin Insurrection: Part II

2009-05-30T21:56:15Z

Doran:

==Analysis==
{{battle
|prev= [[Gobwin Insurrection: Part I]]
|conc= [[Gobwin Insurrection]]
|next= ''None''
|name= Gobwin Insurrection Part II
|image=
|conflict= Gobwin Insurrection
|date=
|place= Gobwin Knob
|result= [[Chief Warlord]] Stanley made Overlord of Gobwin Knob; Gobwin Insurrection defeated
|side1= [[Gobwin Knob| Gobwin Knob & Tribe of the Plaid]]
|side2= Gobwin insurrectionists
|commanders1=*[[Stanley the Tool| Stanley the Plaid]]
|commanders2=* ''unknown''
|forces1=*Dwagons
*Gobwin Knob Casters
**1 Dirtamancer [[Sizemore Rockwell]]
|forces2=*Gobwins
*''possibly'' Hobgobwins
|casual1=*''Unknown''
|casual2=*''unknown''
}}

[[Category:Fan Named]]
[[Category:Analysis]]

Gobwin Insurrection

2009-05-30T21:55:45Z

Doran:

==Analysis==
{{battle
|prev= Unknown
|conc= [[Gobwin Insurrection]]
|next= [[First Battle of Faq]], [[Destruction of the Milquetoast Clan]]
|name= Gobwin Insurrection
|image=
|conflict= Gobwin Insurrection
|date=
|place= [[Gobwin Knob]]
|result= [[King Saline IV]] croaked; [[Stanley the Tool|Stanley the Plaid]] becomes [[Overlord]] of Gobwin Knob
|side1= [[Gobwin Knob| Gobwin Knob & Tribe of the Plaid]]
|side2= [[Gobwin]] Insurrectionists
|commanders1=*[[Ruler]] [[King Saline IV]]
*Chief Warlod[[Stanley the Tool| Stanley the Plaid]]
|commanders2=* ''unknown''
|forces1=*1 [[Royal]]
*1 Warlord
*Dwagons
*Gobwin Knob Casters
**1 Dirtamancer [[Sizemore Rockwell]]
*[[Men]]
**Tribe of the Plaid
|forces2=*Gobwins
*''possibly'' Hobgobwins
|casual1=*[[King Saline IV]]
*''additional casualties unknown''
|casual2=*''unknown''
}}

{{campaign
|1={{{width|300px}}}
|2={{{c1|#B4C5E3}}}
|3={{{c2|#F0F0F0}}}
|name= [[Gobwin Insurrection]]
|battles= [[Gobwin Insurrection: Part I]], [[Gobwin Insurrection: Part II]]
}}

[[Category:Fan Named]]
[[Category:Analysis]]
[[Category:Events]]

Battle for Gobwin Knob

2009-05-30T21:54:59Z

Doran:

Chapter 1 in the Erfworld series.

Also refers to the campaign of the [[Royal Crown Coalition]] against [[Stanley the Tool]] of [[Gobwin Knob]]. 
Known by outside parties as "[[The Great Western Conflict]]."
==Proposed Content==

{{battle
|prev= [[the Battle of Warchalking]]
|conc= ''None''
|next= Unknown
|name= Battle for Gobwin Knob
|image=
|conflict= [[Wars of Stanley the Tool]]
|date=
|place= ErfWorld, [[Gobwin Knob]], [[Faq]]
|result= Yet to be determined
|side1= [[Gobwin Knob]]
|side2= [[Royal Crown Coalition]], [[Transylvito]], [[Charlescomm]]
|commanders1= *[[Overlord]] [[Stanley the Tool]]
*Chief Warlord [[Parson Gotti]]
*Croakamancer [[Wanda Firebaugh]]
*Dirtamancer [[Sizemore Rockwell]]
|commanders2= ====[[Royal Crown Coalition]]====
*Chief Warlord [[Prince Ansom]] of [[Jetstone]]
*Warlord [[Scarlet]]
*[[Blue Warlord]]
*Warlord [[Sir Webinar]] of [[Jetstone]]
*Warlord [[Dora]] of [[Jetstone]]
*Warlord [[Duke Nozzle]] of [[Sofa King]]
*Warlord [[Vinny Doombats]] of [[Transylvito]]
*Warlord [[Tarfu]] of the [[Woodsy Elves]]
*Warlord [[Jillian Zamussels]] of the [[Barbarian]]
*[[Superfluous Warlord]]
====[[Transylvito]]====
*Chief Warlord [[Caesar Borgata]]
*Warlord [[Vinny Doombats]]
====[[Charlescomm]]====
*[[Overlord]] [[Charlie]]
|forces1= ====Gobwin Knob====
*Overall: 809+ various units
*1 [[Overlord]]
*1 Chief Warlord
**[[Parson Gotti]]
*5 Warlords
**[[Uncroaked]] [[Manpower the Temporary]]
**[[Uncroaked]] [[Lady Phat-Singh]]
**[[Uncroaked]] [[Archduke Ferdinand]]
**[[Uncroaked]] [[Sir Leeroy Jenkins]]
**[[Uncroaked]] [[Ensign Toast]]
*5 Casters
**Croakamancer [[Wanda Firebaugh]]
**Dirtamancer [[Sizemore Rockwell]]
**Thinkamancer [[Maggie]]
**Foolamancer [[Jack Snipe]]
**Lookamancer [[Misty]]
*47 [[Dwagons]]{{Erf|1|46a}}{{Erf|1|012}}
**Red Dwagons
**Blue Dwagons
**Black Dwagons
**Green Dwagons
**[[pink dwagons|Pink Dwagons]]
**[[Purple dwagon|Purple Dwagons]]
**[[Yellow dwagon|Yellow Dwagons]]
*28 [[Twoll|Twolls]]
**[[Bogroll]]
*242 [[Gobwins]]
**Gobwin fighters
*[[Hobgobwins]]
**Guards
***[[Mung]]
*[[Spidews]]
*445+[[Infantry]]{{Erf|1|077a}}
**210+ [[Uncroaked]] Infantry{{Erf|1|077a}}
**135+ ''[[Piker]]''-Class Infantry
**48+ ''[[Stabber]]''-Class Infantry
**32+''[[Archer]]''-Class Infantry
**17 ''[[Knight]]''-Class Infantry{{Erf|1|077}}{{Erf|1|077a}}
***[[Knights in Stanley's Service]]
*35 [[Golems]]
**1 Metal Golems
**2 Acid Rock Golems
**4 Heavy Rock Golems
**9 Soft Rock Golems
**19 Crap Golems
*[[Men]]
=====Additional=====
*+2780 uncroaked Jetstone troops
|forces2= ====Royal Crown Coalition====
*''Total RCC:'' 9688+ various units
**11+ Warlords
=====[[Jetstone]]=====
*3949+ various units
**3 Warlords
***[[Prince Ansom]]
***[[Sir Webinar]]
***[[Dora]]
**Tchotchkes
**Sourmander
=====[[Unaroyal]]=====
*1714+ various units
**''possible'' warlord
=====[[Sofa King]]=====
*981+ various units
*1 Warlord
**[[Duke Nozzle]]
=====[[Foxmud]]=====
*208+ various units
**1 Warlord
**Weiner-Rammer
=====[[Hobbittm]]=====
*141+ various units
=====[[Transylvito]]=====
*29+ various units
**1 Warlord
***[[Vinny Doombats]]
**28+ [[Doombat|Doombats]]
=====[[Marbits]]=====
*1875+ various units
**''possible'' warlord
**''possibly'' [[Axemen|''Axemen''-Class]] Infantry
=====[[Elves]]=====
*820+ Elven Troops
**[[Woodsy Elves]]
***1 Warlord
****[[Tarfu]]
***[[Archer|Archers]]
**[[Superfluous Elves]]
***1 Warlord
****[[Superfluous Warlord]]
=====Barbarians=====
*19+ various units
**1 Warlord
***[[Jillian Zamussels]]
** Gwiffons
=====[[Charlescomm]]=====
*15 Archons
**[[Jaclyn]]
====[[Transylvito]]====
*''Unknown, possibly hundreds''
**10 Warlords
***[[Caesar Borgata]]
***[[Vinny Doombats]]
**Hundreds of [[Doombats]]
====[[Charlescomm]]====
*''Unknown''
**Archons
|casual1=*Overall:
*5 Uncroaked Warlords
*1 Lookamancer
*445+ Infantry
*242+ Gobwins
*33 Golems{{Erf|1|142}}
*28 Twolls
|casual2= ====Royal Crown Coalition====
*Overall: 9688+ various units
**9+ Warlords
=====[[Jetstone]]=====
*3949+ various units
=====[[Unaroyal]]=====
*1714+ various units
=====[[Sofa King]]=====
*981+ various units
=====[[Foxmud]]=====
*208+ various units
=====[[Hobbittm]]=====
*141+ various units
=====Marbits=====
*1875+ various units
=====Elves=====
*820+ Elves
=====Barbarians=====
*Gwiffons
====Transylvito====
*several Doombats
====Charlescomm====
*19+ of Archons
}}

{{campaign
|1={{{width|300px}}}
|2={{{c1|#B4C5E3}}}
|3={{{c2|#F0F0F0}}}
|name= [[The Gobwin Knob Campaign]]
|battles= [[Opening Skirmish]], [[Zamussels's Capture]], [[Second Field Skirmish]], [[Zamussels's Release]], [[Column Attacks]], [[Forest Skirmish]], [[The Hunt]], [[Stanley's Departure]], [[First Tunnel Skirmish]], [[Mental Moves & Politics 1]], [[Second Meeting of Zamussels & Firebaugh]], [[Politics 2]], [[Tunnel Battle]], [[Second Battle of Faq]], [[Ansom's Assault]], [[The "Fighting Retreat"]], [[Shocked & Crapped]], [[Assault on the Garrison]], [[Bogroll's Sacrifice]], [[Deconstruction]], [[First Dungeon Skirmish]], [[Gobwin Knob Endgame]], [[Return to Gobwin Knob]]
}}

[[Category:Events]]
[[Category:Analysis]]
[[Category:Proposed Canon]]

Category:Events

2009-05-30T21:54:28Z

Doran:

Major events that have or are happening in Erfworld.

[[Category:Erfworld]]
[[Category:Analysis]]

Category:TBFGK Panels: Introducing Magic

2009-05-30T21:53:13Z

Doran:

TBFGK Panels introducing magic.

This is a sub-category of [[TBFGK_Panels:_Introductions]] and is used to indicate which panels contain the first occurances of various items in the [[TBFGK Panels|panel by panel]] annotation of the comic.

[[Category:TBFGK Panels: Introductions]]

Category:TBFGK Panels: Introducing Artifacts

2009-05-30T21:53:04Z

Doran:

TBFGK Panels introducing artifacts.

This is a sub-category of [[TBFGK_Panels:_Introductions]] and is used to indicate which panels contain the first occurances of various items in the [[TBFGK Panels|panel by panel]] annotation of the comic.

[[Category:TBFGK Panels: Introductions]]

Category:TBFGK Panels: Introducing Rations

2009-05-30T21:52:47Z

Doran:

TBFGK Panels that introduce Rations.

This is a sub-category of [[TBFGK_Panels:_Introductions]] and is used to indicate which panels contain the first occurances of various items in the [[TBFGK Panels|panel by panel]] annotation of the comic.

[[Category:TBFGK Panels: Introductions]]

Category:TBFGK Panels: Introducing Characters

2009-05-30T21:52:36Z

Doran:

TBFGK Panels introducing [[Characters|characters]].

This is a sub-category of [[TBFGK_Panels:_Introductions]] and is used to indicate which panels contain the first occurances of various items in the [[TBFGK Panels|panel by panel]] annotation of the comic.

[[Category:TBFGK Panels: Introductions]]

Category:TBFGK Panels: Introducing Units

2009-05-30T21:52:27Z

Doran:

TBFGK Panels introducing units.

This is a sub-category of [[TBFGK_Panels:_Introductions]] and is used to indicate which panels contain the first occurances of various items in the [[TBFGK Panels|panel by panel]] annotation of the comic.

[[Category:TBFGK Panels: Introductions]]

Category:TBFGK Panels: Introducing Locations

2009-05-30T21:52:06Z

Doran:

TBFGK Panels that introduce Locations.

This is a sub-category of [[TBFGK_Panels:_Introductions]] and is used to indicate which panels contain the first occurances of various items in the [[TBFGK Panels|panel by panel]] annotation of the comic.

[[Category:TBFGK Panels: Introductions]]

TBFGK Panels

2009-05-30T21:51:08Z

Doran: Redirected page to Category:TBFGK Panels

#REDIRECT [[Category:TBFGK_Panels]]