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Parson Gotti

2013-05-25T04:44:53Z

How was Parson able to get into the Magic Kingdom?:

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	Most significantly, in [[LIAB Text 59]], the page which reveals Parson's casting ability, it states that Parson can now understand some of the things behind what he can see. It might just be referring to his new senses as a general caster, but it could also be referring to the basic power of Signamancy.		Most significantly, in [[LIAB Text 59]], the page which reveals Parson's casting ability, it states that Parson can now understand some of the things behind what he can see. It might just be referring to his new senses as a general caster, but it could also be referring to the basic power of Signamancy.
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		+	===How was Parson able to get into the Magic Kingdom?===
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		+	It appears Parson was able to get into the magic kingdom because he was a caster or natural caster of unknown type and discipline.[http://www.erfworld.com/wiki/index.php/LIAB_Text_59]. We know [[casters]] don't [[disband]] when passing through the portal to the [[Magic Kingdom]]. We don't yet know if [[natural casters]] [[disband]] when passing through the portal to the [[Magic Kingdom]], but we know non-casters do disband. Why is this fact important? If it were that clear cut and only casters can get through the Portal to the [[Magic Kingdom]] and not be [[disbanded]], as [[Queen Bea]] used it to commit suicide, why did the casters in the [[Magic Kingdom]] get so upset about Parson getting 'in' in the first place? If it were cut and dried that only casters can get through the portal, then just by passing through the portal would be analogous to the right credentials. The fuss of the other casters in the [[Magic Kingdom]] to Parson's presence, may be because of a gray area between a regular caster, like [[Maggie]], and a non-caster, like [[Queen Bea]]. Something that the reality of the portal admits, but from which regular casters draw a mental (possibly social) distinction. The only things known that fit that gray area are:
		+	* a [[natural caster]], like an [[Archon]], which may be a [[caster]] to the Portal, not a caster [[caster]] to regular popped [[casters]] at the same time, and/or
		+	* a "potential" or "nascent" caster. In Erfworld [[casters]] are popped as fully formed [[casters]] not born in a nascent undefined form as [[Parson]] the Earth human. If this is what he was to his own [[bracer]] scenario, until he successfully unlocked/initiated the casting of his first [[spell]].[http://www.erfworld.com/wiki/index.php/LIAB_Text_59] he may have appeared to be a undefined [[caster]] to the [[Magic Portal]] and not to a regular popped [[caster]] to other casters, or the bracer which attempted to define his type and discipline for the scenario, and/or
		+	* that Parson is still a special and may be immune to disbanding as also demonstrated with his disobeying Overlord Stanley's direct order.

	==Trivia==		==Trivia==

Parson Gotti

2013-05-20T17:29:29Z

Since Parson is confirmed as a caster, speculation no longer applies.

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	Most significantly, in [[LIAB Text 59]], the page which reveals Parson's casting ability, it states that Parson can now understand some of the things behind what he can see. It might just be referring to his new senses as a general caster, but it could also be referring to the basic power of Signamancy.		Most significantly, in [[LIAB Text 59]], the page which reveals Parson's casting ability, it states that Parson can now understand some of the things behind what he can see. It might just be referring to his new senses as a general caster, but it could also be referring to the basic power of Signamancy.
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-	If he is a [[Signamancer]], Parson may be a natural caster (per section above). The key evidence for this is that we don't know if [[natural casters]] [[disband]] when passing through the portal to the [[Magic Kingdom]], but we know non-casters do disband. Why is this fact important? If it were that clear cut and only casters can get through the Portal to the [[Magic Kingdom]] and not be [[disbanded]], as [[Queen Bea]] used it to commit suicide, why did the casters in the [[Magic Kingdom]] get so upset about Parson getting 'in' in the first place? If it were cut and dried that only casters can get through the portal, then just by passing through the portal would be analogous to the right credentials. The fuss of the other casters in the [[Magic Kingdom]] to Parson's presence, gives appearance to a gray area between a regular caster, like [[Maggie]], and a non-caster, like [[Queen Bea]]. Something that the reality of the portal admits, but from which regular casters draw a mental (social) distinction. The only thing known that fits that gray area is a natural caster, like an [[Archon]], which if you think about it is both a caster (to the Portal) and not a caster caster (perhaps to regular Casters) at the same time. The other options are that:
-	*2) Parson is simply unique. He is noted as '''Special''' in which case perhaps he is immune to disbanding by the portal just as he was immune to disbanding for failing to follow Stanley's expressed orders (noted in "Parson the [[Signamancer]]" above and claimed later by a [[Carnymancer]] [http://www.erfworld.com/2012/11/book-2-%E2%80%93-page-96/] (which which knowing [[Carnymancer]]s probably means this claim is a trick and hence false.))
-	*3) Casters can innately and with absolute certainty (magically) recognize other casters and if Parson made it through the portal, but did not register to their innate and certain senses, then he's an interloper despite the Portal's acquiescence. The only question on this final option is then for what reason would have the angry casters believed [[Janis]] when she claimed Parson as a member of her tribe of casters? They agreed to what she said, but since Maggie thought Parson best leave immediately upon regaining consciousness it would appear Parson is either immune to disbanding, a gray area-possibly natural caster...or perhaps both?
-	*4) Parson is simply unique. He is noted as '''Special''' in which case perhaps he is both a warlord and a caster, whereas other commanders are either a warlord or a caster. In keeping with his "Special" status and being the "Perfect Warlord," perhaps he combines qualities of both classes. As a caster, he would be allowed into the Magic Kingdom, while being a warlord would account for why the other casters do not want him in the Magic Kingdom. Thus Janis' claims that he is a [[Hippiemancer]] and Maggie's statement that "This is not a place for warlords" could both be true at the same time.
-	*5) Parson is an undisputed non-caster and the anger of the other casters is the reason [[Maggie]] herself gave Parson when they left: "This is not a place for warlords." Parson showing up sword-in-hand from battle may have been the cause, however, all casters are warlords capable of leading troops and Parson's opening retort to his appearance through the portal {{ref \| [[TBFGK 140:2]]}} "...I don't know why I didn't disband. Maybe I count as a Mathamancer...or something" would tend to discount this last option and later the same is claimed by a [[carnymancer]] [http://www.erfworld.com/2012/11/book-2-%E2%80%93-page-96/] (which knowing [[Carnymancer]]s probably means this claim is a trick and hence false).

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Royal Crown Coalition

2013-05-20T16:48:07Z

Changes in Coalition:

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-	When [[Stanley the Tool]] flees from [[Gobwin Knob]] [[Prince Ansom]] ordered [[Transylvito]], [[Charlescomm]] and [[Barbarians]] ([[Jillian Zamussels]]) to leave the coalition and form a new alliance to go after [[Stanley the Tool\|Stanley]].	+	When [[Stanley the Tool]] flees from [[Gobwin Knob]], [[Prince Ansom]] ordered [[Transylvito]], [[Charlescomm]] and [[Barbarians]] ([[Jillian Zamussels]]) to leave the coalition and form a new alliance to go after [[Stanley the Tool\|Stanley]].

	Following the disastrous tunnel battle{{Erf\|1\|097}}{{Erf\|1\|108}}{{Erf\|1\|109}}{{Erf\|1\|112}}, both Jetstone Warlords [[Sir Webinar]] and [[Dora]] were croaked, along with a large number of Jetstone and Marbit units. At least 2,870 Jetstone units were croaked {{Erf\|1\|122}}, as [[Wanda Firebaugh]] uncroaked as many soldiers{{Erf\|1\|116}}.		Following the disastrous tunnel battle{{Erf\|1\|097}}{{Erf\|1\|108}}{{Erf\|1\|109}}{{Erf\|1\|112}}, both Jetstone Warlords [[Sir Webinar]] and [[Dora]] were croaked, along with a large number of Jetstone and Marbit units. At least 2,870 Jetstone units were croaked {{Erf\|1\|122}}, as [[Wanda Firebaugh]] uncroaked as many soldiers{{Erf\|1\|116}}.

Parson Gotti

2013-05-19T17:45:42Z

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Portal

2013-05-19T02:20:20Z

Since Parson is confirmed as a caster, speculation no longer applies.

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	Passing through a portal does not follow the known [[Movement]] rules. It apparently does not require movement points, as proven when [[Parson]] was able to use a portal despite being a garrison unit with zero move. Further, units may pass through the portal when it is not their turn, because [[Parson]] and his casters leave Gobwin Knob during the [[Royal Crown Coalition]]'s turn, and return during the night (between turns). {{erf\|1\|136}}		Passing through a portal does not follow the known [[Movement]] rules. It apparently does not require movement points, as proven when [[Parson]] was able to use a portal despite being a garrison unit with zero move. Further, units may pass through the portal when it is not their turn, because [[Parson]] and his casters leave Gobwin Knob during the [[Royal Crown Coalition]]'s turn, and return during the night (between turns). {{erf\|1\|136}}
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-	As noted above, non-casters are disbanded when they enter a portal. However, Parson was able to pass through without disbanding, and arrive in the Magic Kingdom. A definitive reason for this has not yet been presented. [[Janis]] stated that Parson was actually a Hippiemancer, which may or may not be correct. Some other possibilities are: the portal could not see Parson's [[stats]] and therefore did not "know" he was a non-caster; the [[Mathamancy Bracer]] makes its wearer count as a Mathamancer; Parson as a non-native of Erf is immune to disbanding; or, contrary to what everyone believes, portals don't really automatically disband non-casters. (This last would beg the question of what happened to Queen Bea when she attempted suicide by portal.)

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