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The term Commander is used in two separate ways. All units with [[Leadership]], including Warlords, and [[Chief Warlord]]s, are periodically called Commander by their associates as a title. The actual rank of Commander indicates that a [[unit]] has the [[Leadership]] Natural Ability, but no confers no Leadership [[Combat#Combat_Bonuses|Bonus]] to units under its command; whereas, Warlords and Chief Warlords confer a Leadership Bonus to units in their stack and in other cases as well.
The term Commander is used in two separate ways. All units with [[Leadership]], including Warlords, and [[Chief Warlord]]s, are periodically called Commander by their associates as a title. The actual rank of Commander indicates that a [[unit]] has the [[Leadership]] Natural Ability, but no confers no Leadership [[Combat#Combat_Bonuses|Bonus]] to units under its command; whereas, Warlords and Chief Warlords confer a Leadership Bonus to units in their stack and in other cases as well.
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Therefore, every [[Warlord]] is a Commander, but not every Commander is a [[Warlord]].
Therefore, every [[Warlord]] is a Commander, but not every Commander is a [[Warlord]].
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==Duty==
 
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[[Duty]] is one of the three effects of Natural [[Thinkamancy]] (besides [[Obedience]] and [[Loyalty]]) that a [[Ruler]] exerts on all his subjects. Duty affects Commanders only. Has greater effect on Warlords, and greatest on [[Chief Warlord]]s. Duty requires Commanders to use their own initiative in the service of the Ruler. Another effect of Duty is that Commanders cannot withhold information and cannot conspire against the Ruler.{{erf|1|084a|Parson's Klog #10}}
 
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==Use as a Title==
 
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Word "Commander" is used as a title to address [[Warlord|Warlords]] and, occasionally, [[Caster|Casters]]. In this sense words "[[Warlord]]" and "Commander" seem to be used interchangeably, although Commander seems to express more respect.
 
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[[Stanley]] addresses [[Wanda]] as Commander{{erf|1|017}}, [[Wanda]] addresses [[Parson]] as Commander {{erf|1|019}}, [[Jillian]] addresses [[Webinar]] as Commander{{erf|1|050}}, [[Webinar]] addresses [[Jillian]] as Warlord{{erf|1|050}}, [[Ansom]] addresses [[Jillian]] almost exclusively as Commander{{erf|1|056}}{{erf|1|056}}{{erf|1|073}}{{erf|1|080}}, [[Jaclyn]] addresses [[Jillian]] as Commander {{erf|1|066}}, another [[archon]] addresses [[Jillian]] as Warlord{{erf|1|069}}.
 
- [[User:Commander I. Heartly Noah|Commander I. Heartly Noah]] June 3 2009
- [[User:Commander I. Heartly Noah|Commander I. Heartly Noah]] June 3 2009

Revision as of 06:32, 3 June 2009

Putting the opening contents of Speculation + the "Contradiction" section here, so when I go through and change it, I'm not just obliterating someone's ideas, and if they want to argue for them, here they are:

The term Commander is used in two separate ways. All units with Leadership, including Warlords, and Chief Warlords, are periodically called Commander by their associates as a title. The actual rank of Commander indicates that a unit has the Leadership Natural Ability, but no confers no Leadership Bonus to units under its command; whereas, Warlords and Chief Warlords confer a Leadership Bonus to units in their stack and in other cases as well.

Contradiction in Terminology

Parson states at one point that "any unit with leadership ability is called a Commander or Warlord" and "these units give a bonus to units under their command"Erf-b1-p040aSame-site.PNG.

That contradicts with other statements that "only warlords have Leadership" Erf-b1-p084aSame-site.PNG and that Casters are Commanders tooErf-b1-p084aSame-site.PNG, but with no Leadership ability.

It seems that "Commander" is a more general term - Commanders have an ability to lead other units in combat (not necessarily deriving from Leadership natural ability) while Warlords are Commanders who have Leadership ability and thus give units under their command a Leadership bonus. It should be noted that in some special cases Casters can give a bonus to certain units under their command (known examples are Golems led by a Dirtamancer and uncroaked led by a Croakamancer)Erf-b1-p084aSame-site.PNG.

Therefore, every Warlord is a Commander, but not every Commander is a Warlord.

- Commander I. Heartly Noah June 3 2009

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