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Putting the opening contents of Speculation + the "Contradiction" section here, so when I go through and change it, I'm not just obliterating someone's ideas, and if they want to argue for them, here they are:

The term Commander is used in two separate ways. All units with Leadership, including Warlords, and Chief Warlords, are periodically called Commander by their associates as a title. The actual rank of Commander indicates that a unit has the Leadership Natural Ability, but no confers no Leadership Bonus to units under its command; whereas, Warlords and Chief Warlords confer a Leadership Bonus to units in their stack and in other cases as well.

Contradiction in Terminology

Parson states at one point that "any unit with leadership ability is called a Commander or Warlord" and "these units give a bonus to units under their command"Erf-b1-p040aSame-site.PNG.

That contradicts with other statements that "only warlords have Leadership" Erf-b1-p084aSame-site.PNG and that Casters are Commanders tooErf-b1-p084aSame-site.PNG, but with no Leadership ability.

It seems that "Commander" is a more general term - Commanders have an ability to lead other units in combat (not necessarily deriving from Leadership natural ability) while Warlords are Commanders who have Leadership ability and thus give units under their command a Leadership bonus. It should be noted that in some special cases Casters can give a bonus to certain units under their command (known examples are Golems led by a Dirtamancer and uncroaked led by a Croakamancer)Erf-b1-p084aSame-site.PNG.

Therefore, every Warlord is a Commander, but not every Commander is a Warlord.

- Commander I. Heartly Noah June 3 2009

Noah, that thing reads badly. It is also reliant on "Only Warlords have leadership." But you're taking all of the context away. The bit aboout Casters being Commanders comes first. Further, Parson learns over time. We've seen him correct himself without noting mistakes before. "Casters are Commanders and can lead stacks... but [Casters] give no leadership bonus to the stack anyway. Only warlords have Leadership." Is the correct way to rad that paragraph. You're flipping sentences around, and that changes context away from intention.

Commanders must have Leadership. If they don't, then "stacks without a leader are forced to auto-attack" would change to become "stacks without a warlord are forced to auto-attack".

This all resolves very easily with the restored context for "Only Warlords have leadership." That coccurs immediately after the mention that Casters can leda but don't provide a leadership bonus... their Leadership is 0. They have leadership, but it's 0. The Warlords comment means only that Warlords provide a Leadership bonus, but Commanders do not. Look at the paragraph that follows. "Makes sense. Except for certain exceptions. Like say.. the bonus to those golems if they're lead by the Dirtamancer." So, to complete the return of context...

""Casters are Commanders and can lead stacks... but [Casters] give no leadership bonus to the stack anyway. Only warlords have Leadership. Except for certain exceptions. Like the bonus to those golems if they're lead by the Dirtamancer." Parson is only talking about "Only Warlords have a leadership bonus." It's the only explanation that keeps it all in context. It explains the first Klog ont he subject, and resolves this seeming Terminology Conflict. Rob took a short cut on that sentence, that's all. (Honestly, I didn't know anyone had a problem with this.) --Kreistor 07:50, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

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