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Would the bracer no longer work if the watch ran out of power? Can it run out of power in this universe? --[[User:Jedifreak|Jedifreak]]
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Sorry, not passive voice, I meant ending a sentence in a preposition.--[[User:BarGamer|BarGamer]] 16:40, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, not passive voice, I meant ending a sentence in a preposition.--[[User:BarGamer|BarGamer]] 16:40, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
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That would lower the bar for what an artifact is, seeing as the bracer was apparently created as the ''effect'' of a spell created by mortals, unless we speculate that the summoning spell "fetched" the bracer rather than creating it.
That would lower the bar for what an artifact is, seeing as the bracer was apparently created as the ''effect'' of a spell created by mortals, unless we speculate that the summoning spell "fetched" the bracer rather than creating it.
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:That would limit the term to only include Arkentools, asking the term entirely redundant. Sizemore is a better judge of what an artifact is than we are at the moment. --[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 18:33, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
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:That would limit the term to only include Arkentools, making the term entirely redundant. Sizemore is a better judge of what an artifact is than we are at the moment. --[[User:Kreistor|Kreistor]] 18:33, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
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:I'll allow that he has some reason to speak authoritatively about the bracer, but the calculator watch is something entirely beyond his experience.
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Couldn't we declare parson's watch an artifact, and the bracer just a handy thinkamancy interface wit knowledge of troops etc. but a magic item for sure?
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* the watch:
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**macic from our world makes lots of calculations per second possible (normally impossible without mathamancer if even then)
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* the bracer:
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** information on erfworld troops and possibilities statistics etc.
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** thinkamancy interface
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--[[User:Robinmdh|Robinmdh]] 11:00, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
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It is worth noting that Wanda experienced a substantial effect when she attuned{{erf|1|142}}, with the Arkenpliers glowing and her instantly understanding what had occurred. Parson experienced no similar effects with the Mathamancy Bracer, suggesting he is not Attuned to it. -- Cogidubnus
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=Mathamancy versus Predictamancy=
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I argue mathamancy.  All confirmed cases of predictamancy have predicted one definitive outcome with no conditionals.  Parson's cost/benefit calculation is already within the scope of current, real world, AI (albeit with limited precision).
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Well, maybe, a real world AI capable of even rudimentary (to us) predictions would have to incorporate far more than the current [[Erfworld Mechanics]], to be sure, as well as a database which has all the known facts about [[Erfworld]].  Not a simple computer program at all.

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Would the bracer no longer work if the watch ran out of power? Can it run out of power in this universe? --Jedifreak

Sorry, not passive voice, I meant ending a sentence in a preposition.--BarGamer 16:40, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Speculation that Bracer is an artifact

That would lower the bar for what an artifact is, seeing as the bracer was apparently created as the effect of a spell created by mortals, unless we speculate that the summoning spell "fetched" the bracer rather than creating it.

That would limit the term to only include Arkentools, making the term entirely redundant. Sizemore is a better judge of what an artifact is than we are at the moment. --Kreistor 18:33, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
I'll allow that he has some reason to speak authoritatively about the bracer, but the calculator watch is something entirely beyond his experience.

Couldn't we declare parson's watch an artifact, and the bracer just a handy thinkamancy interface wit knowledge of troops etc. but a magic item for sure?

  • the watch:
    • macic from our world makes lots of calculations per second possible (normally impossible without mathamancer if even then)
  • the bracer:
    • information on erfworld troops and possibilities statistics etc.
    • thinkamancy interface

--Robinmdh 11:00, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

It is worth noting that Wanda experienced a substantial effect when she attunedErf-b1-p142Same-site.PNG, with the Arkenpliers glowing and her instantly understanding what had occurred. Parson experienced no similar effects with the Mathamancy Bracer, suggesting he is not Attuned to it. -- Cogidubnus

[edit] Mathamancy versus Predictamancy

I argue mathamancy. All confirmed cases of predictamancy have predicted one definitive outcome with no conditionals. Parson's cost/benefit calculation is already within the scope of current, real world, AI (albeit with limited precision).

Well, maybe, a real world AI capable of even rudimentary (to us) predictions would have to incorporate far more than the current Erfworld Mechanics, to be sure, as well as a database which has all the known facts about Erfworld. Not a simple computer program at all.

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