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Real world references.. Really? Nobody else thought to mention the obvious? It's another joke that they can slip in that won't get booped. - NemFX 03:58, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Further speculation; given the joke-name, I'm guessing these are a Sofa King unit. - NemFX 17:03, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

They're being ridden by FoxMUD, so I doubt it. And, yeah, we're not going to put in the blatantly obvious ...manly?... association. Gotta keep this family-oriented, I think. --Kreistor 17:38, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] "Wiener-Rammers as Light Units"

In the speculation section, it proposes that since one got in to the tunnels to attack Parson, it might be a light unit. I counter with the argument that Sizemore had already destroyed the tunnels in the previous page, and they were all in the dungeon. Furthermore, as Sizemore himself pointed out, they were "a Level 1 city now [...] we're so porous, anyone can walk in!" Therefore, there is no evidence so far to decisively determine their weight class. - No one in particular

My position on that matter is that the Gobwin Knob forces were in the Dungeon. This doesn't count as tunnels and so any unit can enter, even non-tunnel capable ones. This jives with the whole "Parson is a heavy unit" aspect of it, as he was there before the city collapsed. However, Parson is likey Tunnel Capable, as didn't he check out the tunnels with Sizemore? Miment 13:41, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
I posit that Parson never entered the tunnels, but that he spoke to Sizemore in the Dungeon - possibly the same chamber (or an identical one) as the chamber of the last of the last of the last stands. Similarly, the WR never entered the tunnels either, but rather entered the Dungeon from the Garrison Courtyard, or perhaps the Tower. On the other hand, I believe either could have entered the tunnels at GK, as the sourmanders did in the huge entrance cave. But then perhaps some of the large chambers don't count as "tunnels?" - CIHN
Hmmm yeah, I can see your view resolving more issues. So are we agreed that Dungeon isn't Tunnels, and can thus be entered by heavy (as in the case of Parson) and siege units (as in the case of the Wiener-Rammer)? As for the Sourmanders, how do we know they aren't tunnel capable? It seems very unlikely that Spidews are the only tunnel capable mounts, surely there's an equivalent for other sides...
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